Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Indeed.

 

Vote count:

Be'lal (4) - Balthamel, Sammael, Ishamael, Cyndane

 

Cyndane (2) - Moghedien, Aran'gar

Graendal (2) - Aginor, Mesaana

 

Balthamel(1) - Be'lal

Demandred (1) - Asmodean

Aginor (1) - Rahvin

 

8 votes to lynch. That means there's 5 people who haven't voted yet: Asmodean, Halima (where is she?), Graendal (on LOA), Demandred and Moridin.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Just checking in before I head to school, like I said I would try to do.

 

Things don't seem to really be moving too fast, so I'll leave my vote on Be'lal and see what happens when I get back.  I'll be gone for roughly 8 hours.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

I just got back from my vacation. Looks like I have a bit to catch up on.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Hello everyone I'm back again.

 

First off I apologize for my absence AGAIN.  This weekend was busy as well as very sad for me as my family's dog Buddy passed away this weekend  :'( Adding to the fire was this was the weekend before school starts and I had too many things to take care of. 

 

My new schedule will put me online early evenings or late mornings from now on. 

 

Thanks for the reviews Mesaana, they are very informative and helpful I really appreciate your time and effort.  Granted, you could be an evil who is writing these but it's still nice to see sort of a summary of what a person has said, done, or added to the game.

 

I have to go to class now I will be back online later today.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

No problem.

 

Real live is most important :)

 

Problem is: we've reached page 50-odd, and not much has happened yet.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Ok, I'm backish.

 

I've been reading through the thread, and I have to say I appriciate that people unvoted me when I had to go away for a couple days. I can explain it if thats needed. Balthamel, I'm sure you didnt mean those of the non-voters who have no opportunity to come and vote yet when you say you should lynch them all  ;)

 

I agree with Mesaana.. not much has happened yet  :P

 

I can't really say that I have a candidate to vote for yet, but I have been eyeing Be'lal.. I'll think about it, and come back later..

[Lanfear-Mafia]

Ok, I said I'd give my vote later on today, and it hasn't been an easy decision.  I've narrowed it down to two choices:  Be'lal and Graendal.

 

My arguments for Be'lal were largely concerning the suggestion to move to night without lynching, and whether lynching him would satisfy the communal curiosity (not to mention my own) about his guilt or innocence.  In his favour, he's been posting a lot, and giving in-depths answers wherever he can.  However, these in-depths answers can be taken as either protesting too much, misdirection, or genuine innocence.

 

My arguments for Graendal stem largely from my misgivings about her random vote for Aginor, which was rescinded soon after.  This could be viewed in a variety of ways.  The other thing that stood out was her suggestion that everyone post their two top suspects, a fact which Aginor picked up on but I missed (it stood out more when I was doing the reread this morning, for some reason).  Again, there are a lot of ways to view this - could be an attempt to get a feel of what people are thinking, or it could be something else.  In her favour, she does post, although not as often as some, and can be insightful at times.  However, some of her posts are spam (albeit funny) which don't tell us as much.

 

Now that Graendal is back from her LOA, I feel that I can vote for her fairly.  There's just a bit more doubt about her than Be'lal for me at the moment.  So I'll vote for [glow=red,2,300]Graendal[/glow].  It just feels like we need to move on now.  This is certainly the longest day two I've ever been in (although that isn't saying much)!

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Dang.  8 hours and then some, and 5 posts were made.  Kinda sad.

[Belal-Mafia]

I unvoted because it was clear that every had been sucked into a no-lynch and I couldn't be bothered arguing. If I was mafia wouldn't I have held the moral high-ground for the entire day, or if I was going to give in I would of voted for a no lynch to speed it up.

 

. . .

 

I vote [glow=red,2,300]Be'lal[/glow] again for being either very wrong or very evil.

 

 

Why did I snip Balthamel's post like that?  Because the middle was unimportant.  But the first part - well, that's a flat out lie.

 

Here's where I propose a no lynch.  Balthamel votes for me two posts later:

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,19873.228.html

 

In the interim:

 

1) Aran'gar says "I'm going to catch up on my reading"

 

2) Moridin catches the meaning of my response to Mesaana re the healer being able to protect

 

3) Balthamel says a healer reveal renders them useless

 

4) Aran'gar says she doesn't like the no kill idea

 

5) Moggy says "I said that" - not sure what she meant here, but its a review, so I'll put it in

 

6) Moridin says that he's suspicious of me for advocating a no lynch, but willing to hear out my reasoning

 

7) Arangar repeats that she doesn't like my idea

 

8) I post my explanation

 

9) I explain further about my response to Mesaana

 

10) Moridin mentions my play with Osan'gar's alt, trying to keep it off the radar if possible while telling me not to do it again

 

11) Moggy says "lets discuss this"

 

12) Balthamel says "I see your reasoning, but I still think its a bad idea, and the cop should not reveal even if Semi is guilty"

 

13) Semi votes No kill

 

14) Graendal votes no kill

 

15) Balthamel unvotes

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,19873.240.html

 

So . . . in the interim between voting for me and unvoting - a decision Balthamel claims came because the tide had turned against him - all of 2 people voted no kill (including the one on the chopping block) and an equal amount had voiced suspicion of me, or at least of the idea (Moridin and Aran'gar) while 1 other person said "lets discuss"

 

In other words - the idea that "it was clear that everyone had been sucked into a no lynch already" is clearly false: other than the 2 of us, [glow=blue,2,300]only 5 of 16 players had ventured an opinion and those 5 were just about split down the middle on the idea[/glow].  Meanwhile, Balthamel went from "No! No! Bad idea! I vote you!" to "hmm . . . I see your reasoning, but mildly disagree" to "I have no opinion to offer" in a remarkably short period.

 

And as for the idea that a mafioso wouldn't try to hide in the non-voters as a defense - well, I leave the rest of you to decide what to think about that one. 

 

The second part isn't a lie - its just bad play, or a poorly disguised attempt at reasoning.  Thinking I might be evil is a reason to lynch me.  Thinking that I had a bad idea is not.  Thinking that I'm a stupid player and therefore a detriment to the innocent side even if I'm not guilty (which is basically what his argument is) - again, for those of you who've figured out who I am, I'll leave you to your own determination of the worth of that claim.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

So he exaggerated?

 

Right now, I can't responsibly discard the notion that Bel'al is evil, but based on what I know or suspect of him, and my unwillingness to lynch based on a play that may just not have come off right, and also based on the fact that I have many of the same suspects as him, I think the best course is to let him live for now and see what his subsequent actions tell us.

 

That leaves me with one of my suspects voted for (by another of my suspects, but hey, whatever), and two other people whom the mood seems to disfavour. On balance, I'll go with my gut and [glow=red,2,300]Balthamel[/glow].

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Probably won't be posting much for next couple of days due to spastastic computer which is making me want to borrow Ishy's avatar. Have a very Merry Christmas.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

5) Moggy says "I said that" - not sure what she meant here, but its a review, so I'll put it in

 

Moggy was saying that Balthamel and Aran'gar? were saying what Moggy said. :D

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Hold on Be'lal, after I had voted TWO PEOPLE in a ROW jumped on your bandwagon.

 

Two Votes in a row, is practically moving at light speed for this game, and besides I was lazy and if you are who I think you are I couldn't be bothered having this fight.

 

I couldn't be bothered fighting. So sue me, I had RL stuff to deal with. And I didnt agree with you, I NEVER voted for the no-lynch.

 

I didnt like your resaoning I just thought I that I am cannot go out of my way to protect you, and I also didn’t want to get into a grudge match which would end in one (or more likely both of us) being lynched.

[Belal-Mafia]

Hold on Be'lal, after I had voted TWO PEOPLE in a ROW jumped on your bandwagon.

 

Two Votes in a row, is practically moving at light speed for this game, and besides I was lazy and if you are who I think you are I couldn't be bothered having this fight.

 

I couldn't be bothered fighting. So sue me, I had RL stuff to deal with. And I didnt agree with you, I NEVER voted for the no-lynch.

 

I didnt like your resaoning I just thought I that I am cannot go out of my way to protect you, and I also didn’t want to get into a grudge match which would end in one (or more likely both of us) being lynched.

 

So just so we're clear:

 

1) You didn't want to get into a "grudge match" day 1, [glow=green,2,000]before[/glow] I led the innocent team into what you thought was a blunder (based on reasoning that you didn't particularly explain in response to my logic)

 

2) You are willing to get into a grudge match today, after the harm has already happened??

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I think the Balthamel-case is a classical case of someone changing his mind.

 

If that is forbidden...

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Not that I'm one to talk or anything but...

Probably won't be posting much for next couple of days due to spastastic computer which is making me want to borrow Ishy's avatar. Have a very Merry Christmas.

 

how long are you going to be gone??  lol jeeze!! Oh and on a side note I came back to see Ishy's gun show and to show him the cannon display.  *Humbly reveals arms*

 

Anyway I know I'm going to look like a Be'lal groupie but I have to agree with his opinions and analysis so far.  Balthamel did not agree with Be'lal's idea on day 1 and unvoted quite quickly once support started to pick up for the no kill (sounds kind of scummy to me like you were hiding from the crowd).  Granted you could have had RL stuff to do but as soon as the next (in game) day started your first post didn't stress for attention on Be'lal being evil. 

Sabhlok

 

I guess that tells us two things. The cop just wasted an investigation, and any role blocker didn't target a mafia last night...

 

Actually it seems you waited until there was a general sense of uncertainty on where to go next and then voted Be'lal, which was conveniently quite some time later. 

 

To me this seems too strange and I'm going with my gut on this one.  [glow=red,2,300]Balthamel[/glow]

[Lanfear-Mafia]

Vote count:

 

Be'lal (4) - Balthamel, Sammael, Ishamael, Cyndane

 

Graendal (3) - Aginor, Mesaana, Lanfear

Balthamel (3) - Be'lal, Moridin, Halima

 

Cyndane (2) - Moghedien, Aran'gar

 

Demandred (1) - Asmodean

Aginor (1) - Rahvin

[Graendal-Mafia]

I have had alot of time to think today. And since I didnt really have anything useful to do today,  have been looking at this thread.  :P

 

and the more I think, the more Balthamel stands out to me. but I'm still not sure about Be'lal either.

 

i'm going to [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] for now.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

I did not see where you (Graendal) had voted. Who was it for?

[Graendal-Mafia]

haha, I was absolutly certain I had voted for Be'lal. but since I didnt I will vote for [glow=red,2,300]Balthamel[/glow]

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

As I have said, I've been sitting on the fence with the Be'lal situation.  But after reading his posts I find myself beleiving him.

 

I'm not necisarily going to vote Balthamel, but I'll [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] Be'lal.

 

Alright.  I'm off for school.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Just checking out the new avatar that Twitch did.  Very nice Twitch!!  Thanks!!  Don't answer of course.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

After doing my catch up reading from this weekend, I have to say I'm still not happy with the no kill vote of day one. At the moment though, after reading the reviews and going over the actions of day 2, I am going to [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] and change my vote to [glow=red,2,300]Graendal[/glow]. Day 1 you were fairly quiet and jumped onto the no kill bandwagon very quickly. Then during day 2 first you wanted everyone to name our two top candidates we think are mafia, and then you placed a random vote on Aginor and demanding an explaination. After you recieved your explaination from Aginor you stated:

 

well, Rahvin seems to think he have enough on you to vote for you. doesnt mean I think I do, but then, I dont really have enough to not vote for you either. but i'll [glow=white,2,300]unvote[/glow] for now. but only because I dont have time to think atm..

 

This all just seems a little off and mafiaish to me. It almost seems like you saw a bandwagon with reasoning starting and quickly removed the vote.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

I think the Balthamel-case is a classical case of someone changing his mind.

 

If that is forbidden...

 

I find this very supsicious, I'm doing a read through (with notes yay!  Write up coming erm..soonish) at the moment but thus far Mesanna has seemed to like voting for people who seem to make contradictory stament, but when presented with an actual one here she defends it?  another point on the first day Messana asks for a number to choose a person to lynch (think about that for a second if you will) which is supplied by  guess who...Baltamel

 

I'm not going to vote right now, but Mesaana is looking decidedly mafiaish at the moment

 

[Belal-Mafia]

I think the Balthamel-case is a classical case of someone changing his mind.

 

If that is forbidden...

 

It's not the changing of minds that's forbidden - its doing so without good reason, or worse, lying about it.