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[Lanfear-Mafia]

I'll admit that when I cast my vote for Aran'gar, I'd whittled it down to two people who weren't really as active, and Graendal was the other one.  When Graendal posted her completely random vote it seemed a little whimsical to me, as was withdrawing it pretty soon after, and it did strike me as odd. 

 

I'll see how Graendal responds to this, though, before I make up my mind to change my vote.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Balthamel's got only 16 posts (2 less than Graendal). But they're almost all useful.

 

In his first post, he randomly votes Demandred, and gives me a number to random-vote from my list:

I am alive!

 

Cool Colors!

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote for Demandred[/glow]

 

He has shifty eyes....

 

6

But the next day, he changes his mind:

[glow=red,2,300]Semirhage[/glow]

 

My vote stays until you give us a better alternative to random voting...

At that time the vote count stands:

Moggy(1)-Rahvin

Demandred(1)-Balthamel

Semhirage(1)-Be'lal

Cyndane(1)-Mesanna

Asmo(1) -Moridin.

 

Next day:

Be'lal you just did two extremely mafia like things.

 

You want the healer to reveal and you want us not to kill anyone.

 

For that reason I am going to [glow=red,2,300]Be'lal[/glow]

 

Thats a lot of evidence.

 

Semy if you are the healer I would suggesting healing yourself, and our finder if we have a finder should investigate semy tonight to determine if she is guilty or not.

 

I reckon we should lynch Be'lal for either being a mafia, symp or a townie who is going to get us killed...

Well, he wasn't alone with that idea. With either of them.

 

But, 4 hours later:

OK, fine...

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

And as two people get nightkilled, he revotes Be'lal.

 

It doesn't matter why Semi died, the important thing is whether there is another healer out there or not, I am inclined to believe so on the basis that there must be atleast one real healer out there which Vemy in one way or another clearly was not.

What's so clear about that?

 

Do with it what you want, but he won't get my vote unless he changes dramatically.

 

Ishy: how much someone posts, has nothing to do with their degree of scumness.

Lanfear: I'll do Aran'gar next.

[Lanfear-Mafia]

Oops, I meant to add this to my last post, but...

 

Aran'gar did give an explanation for not posting as much, and it's a viable reason.  The problem I have is that it can still be construed as mafia - as it explains about her play style, but not about her alignment.  Therefore I had to take it with a pinch of salt.  This is the main problem I have so early in the game - there's no real way to find out someone's alignment with so little information to go on, in my opinion.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Aran'gar's got even less posts: 11. Most of these are even not game-related.

 

The first two "important" posts are:

OOOOh Squishy!!  No thoughts on votes yet as it looks as though it's totally random.

and

Ok!  Wow, ummm this is certainly different than the randomness we started with.  I'm gonna catch up on reading and see what madness has come into play.

She can observe. Good for you.

 

Then we have a lovely threesome

Right, Be'lal.  I don't like the "no lynch" thing either.  We loose a try at getting the evil ones.  Why are you in such a hurry to get to the night? (Side note- I know that sound's odd as we are twenty something pages in and only on first day.)

She doesn't vote for be'lal, but doesn't give a reason. Afraid of showing her affiliation? Anyway, her next post is

(...)

I also agree with that point Moridin...that's why I didn't vote for him as of yet.

What Moridin wrote was this:

(...)So Bel'al is innocent of encouraging the healer to reveal (if it is someone other than Semi, otherwise the point is moot) but guilty of wanting us to go to night withought a lynch. I'm hesitant to vote for him because he looks to be one of the more lucid players, apart from that blip. So I'm going to wait to hear more about his reasoning.

. Good for you, Aran'gar. Moridin gave you the reason why you shouldn't vote Be'lal. And you're quite glad you don't have to make up one yourself.

 

Worst of all: that concludes Aran'gar's valuable contribution to our game. And she doesn't come out quite so good.

 

For now, in order of scumness (personal opinion, you don't need to agree)

1)Graendal (has my vote)

2)Aran'gar

...

15)Balthamel

16)Mesaana ;)

 

EDIT: Lanfear, it's your turn.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Lanfear's got 24 posts.

 

Her first important one:

I'm not particularly fond of bandwagoning, but in order to move on to the next day, I vote [glow=red,2,300]Semirhage[/glow].

It's the seventh vote for Semi (10 to lynch), and she hasn't declared yet. But Semi says she's healer, and:

Well, I was hoping that something would turn up to help me in making a decision.  In light of Semi's announcement, I'll [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] for now, just in case.

Nothing wrong with this. Only a very strange way to say it (the post in which you unvote semi). Seems like you can't drag yourself out of it soon enough.

 

Next interesting post:

Ok, I've been reading and rereading, and although I don't like the idea of giving up our slim chance, I'll [glow=red,2,300]vote No Kill[/glow] to see what happens.  With any luck we'll get something definite that we can act on.

Two comments: she's the seventh again (she was the seventh for Semi as well); and we knew which definite thing we were gonna get. We'ld know if Semi was evil of good. She was good. There was never any suggestion we'ld know more.

 

Next one:

Ok, I'll be honest here.  I haven't been posting very much because I'm still very new to Mafia games and I'm still unsure about how best to proceed.  This also explains why I don't throw out random votes or write up complicated studies of every player and their possible roles.(...)

Could also be the cause for the above-stated problem

 

Next is again very strange. We just came to some kind of agreement that the no-kill was not that good and Cyndane responds:

I'm beginning to wonder if foregoing a lynch on day one was a good thing or not.  I've been reading and rereading for a while, and I can't come up with anything solid - other than the fact that I can't really trust anyone - largely because roles haven't been revealed on death and we don't know the extent of how many roles there are out there.  With all the possibilities, it's all the more important to make the next lynch count. 

 

Well, back to reading, I guess.

Again, she's a newbie.

 

Then, 2 last important posts:

Ok, I'm having a hard time figuring out where to place my vote.  So many of the arguments for and against Be'lal can either be truth or misdirection, and the same goes for just about any of the more prominent candidates.  When that happens, I can only fall back on what I know.  In this case, it's to vote for an inactive player, or one who hasn't posted as much as expected.  If something else happens and an excellent candidate steps forth (or is pushed by circumstance) then I'll change my vote, but until then I'm going to vote for [glow=red,2,300]Aran'gar[/glow].

and

I'll admit that when I cast my vote for Aran'gar, I'd whittled it down to two people who weren't really as active, and Graendal was the other one.  When Graendal posted her completely random vote it seemed a little whimsical to me, as was withdrawing it pretty soon after, and it did strike me as odd. 

 

I'll see how Graendal responds to this, though, before I make up my mind to change my vote.

Whoopsie, forgot to mention a second "whimsical" the first time?

 

Anyway, to fill my scum-o-meter:

 

1)Graendal (has my vote)

2)Aran'gar

3)Lanfear

...

10)Balthamel

...

16)Mesaana  ;)

 

I'm gonna take a brake, before I continue

[Lanfear-Mafia]

That pretty much sums up my posts, although interpretation is down to the individual.  To be honest, I can't really refute your claims - no person here is a psychic or mind reader to know what someone else was thinking when they wrote a post, or what they left out or forgot.  If they were, then it would make this game a bit easier. 

 

I'm still learning this game, and I'm finding that in future it may well be easier to mention every single thought I have about various individuals here at the time, good or bad.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I'm gonna take a look at Ishy now. Just because he was the easiest username to reach. He's been quite active with 53 posts. SO it may take a while.

 

Lanfear, question: is it a coincidence you were 7th twice?

 

 

[Lanfear-Mafia]

In all honesty, yes.  I hadn't noticed until you pointed it out.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Ishy's been quite active with 53 posts.

 

First important post:

Has a day one vote ever not been random? For the sake of moving on from day one, I vote [glow=red,2,300]Semirhage[/glow], but I will change it if a better choice comes up.

The 4th vote. A little early for a bandwagon, but not strange with his explanation.

 

Then he posts a lot after the reveal, I'm just gonna quote part of the one in which he unvotes:

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote Semi[/glow]

(...)

I believe that Semi has a role, and that role caused a little overexcitement. I am not convinced it is healer.

I believe that Semi tried to be sly and throw people off on his identity, then tried to cover for mistakes.

I am confused over how a healer wound up revealing when a simple apology would have shifted attention and votes away from any player. There are many ways to avoid a lynch before revealing your role, and Semi has enough experience to have known that. (...)

He agrees with me not to trust Vemi immediately, but thinks he's got a non-healer innocent-role. Because he knows Vemi's not evil? Could you clarify this, Ishy?

 

Next two posts, he accuses Be'lal. In his vote-post, he sums it  up:

Sorry Be'lal, your reasoning and numbers are wrong. There is no such thing as a "free night" where a no kill vote is an option. There is no good circumstance in which the healer, finder, or both reveal in the first day or two. You are pushing to hard for this. Your insults and angry posts this early in the game don't evn make sense.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Be'lal[/glow]

 

Everybody else, please consider what happens if there are multiple teams like in the double blind. Be'lal's response make me suspect that this could possibly be the case. I also suspect that Barm might have a system set up for bonus points now that the score board is up and it would make sense if two teams competed for points based on getting the healer and the finder. These are just thoeries, but there seems to be little chance that Barm is running a straight forward game.

Does he know 2 persons will die? The reasons for voting Be'lal make sense. After he votes, he keeps on accusing Be'lal for 5 votes.

 

 

Start of day 2:

I PM'd Barm like Moggy suggested and am waiting to see if he answers my questions. If people are switching alts, then does the alignment/role stay with the alt?  Does anyone know (that is willing to tell!) That is one big question. I don't know what to think of Semi now. He seemed certain that he could self heal, but we see how that turned out. So we have two thoeries to look at so far. He was either a lying symp who lied to save his skin, or he could not block an assassin nightkill and did not know that. And we have a double kill, which shortens the number of days we have. I'm not much help right now, I know. Think I'll just wait for crazy Barmy to answer questions and maybe console Halima. We can't have any sad pandas out there.

Two things: he seems to believe sincerely in the switching-theory; and what happened to your suspicion of Semi being non-healer innocent? It seems even more likely to me after the double-kill

 

next important post:

This question is for Demandred. If Semi was a vig hit, why hit on the first night? That's a total waste of a role.

I don't see what's so wasted about a first-night-healer-hit.

 

Yeehaw, I'm halfway!!!!

 

And now the surprise:

I just saw Demi's post - so you are saying that if a day passes without a lynch, then two night kills are allowed as a way to keep things in balance. How ironic would that be? I would like to see what Be'lal has to say to Moggy's question.

He doesn't even try to vein to be surprised!!!

 

And now the opposite:

I wanted to wait and hear from Be'lal before I posted to say that he is the top of my suspect list. Talking the group into going against one of the golden rules of mafia, then saying it got shot to hell because of unknowns is pretty weak in my book. And no comment about defending Semi, even though it now looks as if he made a false claim. Then, and these are classic scum tactics, to vote Messaana because she was for lynching Semi because he acted strangely, to say that my comment to Cyndane was "uber" (seriously, what is uber? When you bold half of your post, is that uber? Please.) then trying to drag Sammy into the mud because he just voted for you. Twisting words to try and influence others is a bad sign. [glow=red,2,300]Be'lal[/glow] is the most suspicious right now. And Moggy is hot for me, I can tell :-*

So he can reason soundly as well. Good for him.

 

Next he makes a strange suggestion:

Seperate from cases, what about this:

 

A group of experienced players were drawn as mafia for this game. If there a four (probable, I'll accept that) or more, then they can afford to sacrifice one up front. So what if they come up with a plan to false claim as healer in hopes of drawing the healer and the finder out? It would be worth it! The only part I can't explain is why the fake claimer came up as innocent.

 

I'm not saying that this is exactly what happened, but I introduce it becasue something did happen and this might inspire someone to think of what it was.

Why do you believe so? I see no reason.

 

And his last vote:

I see. It's the old "let's see how you react if I vote for you" ploy. That's cool, I can go with that.

 

Unvote Be'lal. Vote[glow=red,2,300] Cyndane[/glow]

 

For posting somewhat frequently, but not constructively. Knowing how to play this game, but not doing so. Being absent for long periods of time, but showing up as soon as she is mentioned and then voting for the person who questioned her.

 

I still don't like what Be'lal did, but I understand that other people see it differently. We do need to lynch someone, and I don't want to lose an innocent, but Cyndane is playing a mafiaesque technique and she knows how to play the game.  That, and the fact that she has not contributed anything is my reasoning.

 

Touche'. En Guard.

Just say it's a random-vote, will you?

 

And to finish: the scum-o-meter:

1)Graendal (has my vote)

2)Aran'gar

3)Ishamael

4)Lanfear

...

10)Balthamel

...

16)Mesaana  ;)

 

One third done.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Since Graendal's got two votes, I'm gonna look through Graendal carefully.

 

She's not a frequent poster. Only 18 posts of her own. And most of these are spam (no, I don't mind, but they won't be quoted).

 

First important post:

the Healer is useless when the only person it can risk healing is himself! now, we can have no one reval their roles. the Finder (I'm assuming there is a Finder) must be very careful if/when they find an evil. because they cannot be Healed. I'm tempted to vote for Semi just for that  :P

 

but I wont. i'll vote for [glow=red,2,300]No Kill[/glow] since that seems to be the most popular option at the moment. I'll be gone all day. see ya's  :-*

 

This is after 2 people have voted "no kill", 2 people voted for be'lal, and the rest of us had either 1 or no vote. She put the extra wheight in the "no kill"-camp (which was beneficial for the mafia).  It was nót the most popular option at that moment. And the finder not having to reveal when he finds an evil??? Not a very good idea.

 

in my quick re-read of the thread at that time, that stood out to me as the most popular choice.

 

it seems that I am misunderstood on this exact point more than once. I do in a normal game, support that the Finder reveals when they find an Evil player. but in this particular game where the healer revealed early, it made more sense to me that the Finder be quiet about his/her role, as the Finder couldnt be healed. so I will repeat what I was really trying to say, the Healer reveals. the healer have to heal himself if he is to be able to continue in the game (not that it helped him alot, but we didnt know that then). the Finder would not be Healed if he/she reveals. that means we have basically lost the two most important roles. this is why I dotn think the Finder should reveal. but thats up to the finder of course.

 

And in her next posts (one hour later), she repeats this:

hmm, I agree with Osan'gar on the Alt things..  :P

 

still, I dont really get the logic that the Finder should reveal. I dont see why any roled player should reveal unless they have to. we really have lost our healer now (if Semi is the healer that is). sure we still have the vote, but as a Healer, she is useless. let's just hope we have another person that can heal or something like that around here. so, if I can get an explanation on why the Finder should reveal,

 

 

20 minutes pass, and:

sorry, I didnt make myself clear there. I know that a finder should reveal him/herself i they find an evil player, what I asked is why the Finder should reveal before they have found someone.

 

I dont really look at myself as a newbie to the game. I guess I just didn't word my question properly.

That's nót what you said.

 

yes, actually, that is exactly what I said. but I already explained my reasoning here above, and these two posts are really just me being confused about something I thought I read earlier, but that I have later found out wasnt there at all.

 

Next, she goes for a random vote, to see how the reaction will be:

[glow=red,2,300]Aginor[/glow]

 

You have randomly been selected by me. Please provide a good explanation why you are not evil. Should you satisfy me, I will remove my vote from you.

 

As explanation she receives the next from Aginor:

Explain to you why I'm not evil?

Well if that isn't the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

Because...I'm not.

It's not like I've contributed very much to the thread, and so I can't back myself up with some proof from previous posts and shove them back in your face.  Picking a person at 'random'(Who hasn't had enough posting to give much evidence back to you), voting for them, and threatening not to take the vote away unless they give you a good reason, doesn't exactly seem like a random, or a very innocent thing to do, personally. 

In all honesty, your asking everyone to name their top two candidates of the mafia, and explaining why? that doesn't seem to be a very innocent thing to be doing either. I mean, if you think about it, like a mobster would be doing, if there is a popular choice of the mafia, who happens to be innocent, all the mafia would have to do is nightkill the person that first suggested that the top candidate for mafianess.  Was that your plan allll along? Go for the quiet ones, seems to be a general rule in mafia games, well, you picked on a quiet one that didn't suspect you a single bit, and turned him into a suspicious one that suspects you a whooollleee bit.

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow] my vote for Be'lal.

I'm giving you a chance to respond, before I vote for you Graendal.

 

He attacks. Not a very good reason to believe him innocent, is it. And threatens to vote for her.

 

How does Graendal react?

well, Rahvin seems to think he have enough on you to vote for you. doesnt mean I think I do, but then, I dont really have enough to not vote for you either. but i'll [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] for now. but only because I dont have time to think atm..

 

Yep, she unvotes. Is she afraid to have a vote on her as retribution? Or does she already know Aginor is inocent? Or ... I don't know.

 

Anyhow, I think I've seen enough reason here to follow Moggy's and Agi's example: I [glow=red,2,300]unvote Demi[/glow] and vote [glow=red,2,300]Graendal[/glow].

 

I actually dont know who is evil and who is innocent in this game. not yet anyways. so, no it wasnt because I know Aginor is evil or good, I just didnt have any reason to hold my vote for him is all.

 

I think i've answered most of it now.. I actually dont think that Aginor attacking me is that "evilish". to me it seems the most natural thing to do. I know I would do the same if people voted for me on the same thin grounds.

 

 

and if people are annoyed about the quotesthing, believe me, so am I.. I jsut dont have the time to fix it  :P

 

[Arangar-Mafia]

Aran'gar's got even less posts: 11. Most of these are even not game-related.

 

The first two "important" posts are:

OOOOh Squishy!!  No thoughts on votes yet as it looks as though it's totally random.

and

Ok!  Wow, ummm this is certainly different than the randomness we started with.  I'm gonna catch up on reading and see what madness has come into play.

She can observe. Good for you.

 

Then we have a lovely threesome

Right, Be'lal.  I don't like the "no lynch" thing either.  We loose a try at getting the evil ones.  Why are you in such a hurry to get to the night? (Side note- I know that sound's odd as we are twenty something pages in and only on first day.)

She doesn't vote for be'lal, but doesn't give a reason. Afraid of showing her affiliation? Anyway, her next post is

(...)

I also agree with that point Moridin...that's why I didn't vote for him as of yet.

What Moridin wrote was this:

(...)So Bel'al is innocent of encouraging the healer to reveal (if it is someone other than Semi, otherwise the point is moot) but guilty of wanting us to go to night withought a lynch. I'm hesitant to vote for him because he looks to be one of the more lucid players, apart from that blip. So I'm going to wait to hear more about his reasoning.

. Good for you, Aran'gar. Moridin gave you the reason why you shouldn't vote Be'lal. And you're quite glad you don't have to make up one yourself.

 

Worst of all: that concludes Aran'gar's valuable contribution to our game. And she doesn't come out quite so good.

 

For now, in order of scumness (personal opinion, you don't need to agree)

1)Graendal (has my vote)

2)Aran'gar

...

15)Balthamel

16)Mesaana ;)

 

EDIT: Lanfear, it's your turn.

 

What can I add that hasn't already been exhausted beyond the point of madness?  Thoughts tend to go two or three ways and posting my thoughts on something that has been hashed several times is beating the dead horse.  But if I post that I agree with such and such I get barked at for supposed alliances.  

 

1. They were totally random... if everyone just posted a totally random vote we could end up with an 18 player stalemate... I'm one of your new players .... but you are condecending and almost hateful with your replies to people... is this scare the crap out of the new players so they will never wanna try again?  

 

2. I didn't vote for him because I was simply questioning why he wanted that... His later posts convinced me it was a good idea... I didn't vote for it and I posted my reasons... I was trying to read thru and had to rush to work.  I didn't vote for him after because I, as well as many others, agreed at the time of voting that it was a good idea... and it doesn't neccesarily mean hes evil.  I do think I mentioned that as well as countless others. Last part of this you are again condescending.  

 

And well... since I know my alignment and you have been blasting all over the game and seem to have managed to sniff out new players and accuse them... (easy kill since we are too scared to participate after you insult us?)    [glow=red,2,300]Mesaana[/glow]

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

Vote count:

 

Be'lal(2) - Balthamel, Sammael

Mesaana(2) - Be'lal, Aran’gar

Demandred(1) - Asmodean

Aginor(1) - Rahvin

Aran'gar(1) - Lanfear

Graendal(3) – Moghedien, Aginor, Mesaana

Ishamael(1) - Cyndane

Cyndane(1) – Ishamael

 

Not voting: Halima, Graendal, Demandred, Moridin

 

 

 

I'm back from the dead!

 

>.>

 

<.<

 

no I'm not >.<

 

/dies

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

First of all: Ishy's case has been updated (the comments with the last two quotes added).

 

But if I post that I agree with such and such I get barked at for supposed alliances. 

 

1. They were totally random... if everyone just posted a totally random vote we could end up with an 18 player stalemate... I'm one of your new players .... but you are condecending and almost hateful with your replies to people... is this scare the crap out of the new players so they will never wanna try again? 

 

Hateful replies? If you mean the ironic "She can observe. Good for you.", that was just to emphasise your lack of posting, and that, especially in the beginning, your posts had little to do with the game. This could be a tactic of not making mistakes, but I'm gonna believe it's just the way you speak.

 

 

And well... since I know my alignment and you have been blasting all over the game and seem to have managed to sniff out new players and accuse them... (easy kill since we are too scared to participate after you insult us?)    [glow=red,2,300]Mesaana[/glow]

 

Why would I sniff out new players? I took 'random' players: I've begun with Graendal, because she had just got her second vote when I started looking who to start with. Balthamel was next, because he was the first username I could click on. Then you (Aran'gar), because Cyndane (I think it was her) said she doubted between you and Graendal. After Lanfear, because she posted while I typed about you. And last Ishy, because he wanted a longer case, and his was the first I found. If you've got a suggestion for the next, fire at will. Or case me or someone else?

 

I sincerely hope you are not scared to participate, but will do so even more. And you should read this as: I hope everyone who has not posted a lot of useful posts yet, will start posting more.

 

Voting me is always an option, but I don't think it will help you convincing the rest you're innocent (since, as soon as you'll have your wish and I get lynched, you'll see that I, at least, are).

 

And: if I insulted you, or anyone else: Sorry. It is not intentional.

 

 

 

To Graendal: Most of your post gives a possible explanation for everything, but it does not make you less suspicious then Aran'gar (though I must say I'm surprised by her reaction). I'm gonna keep my vote on you for now, but it could change soon to Aran'gar.

Like I said: I wanna keep my vote on someone.

 

EDIT: reason for Lanfear-case, and clarification of more-participation-demand

[Arangar-Mafia]

That's fair enough and I'll accept that you didn't mean to insult.  You did have good reasonings but I can honesly say It's just because I'm pretty well unsure how to word my suspicions and thoughts.  I've had them for Be'lal, you, Ishy, and a few others.  I type them out and they just don't look right so I end up just posting the little nothings I have.  I'll go do a run thru and see if I come up with anything that stands out to me.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I know that I post every little thing that I see  ;) Even if it doesn't make much sense, there's enough people here to slam every little piece of sense out of it.

 

And I do not keep a record offsite. The only times I've done so, were when I was evil (you can't go around, speculating on the healer or the finder online), so I don't need one now.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Aran'gar did give an explanation for not posting as much, and it's a viable reason.  The problem I have is that it can still be construed as mafia - as it explains about her play style, but not about her alignment.  Therefore I had to take it with a pinch of salt.  This is the main problem I have so early in the game - there's no real way to find out someone's alignment with so little information to go on, in my opinion.

 

I think I know who Aran'gar is, and, assuming this is true, her explainations for not being here are two fold. One is play style and the other was something that I will not say, but was absolutely unavoidable IRL. Should she say what it was, she would give her alt. name away, so I completely understand why she has not said. Please do not hold a vote on her due to absence.

 

As of this moment, I maintain my vote on Graendal for her poorly explained, out of the blue, random vote on another player. I can't make heads or tails of it.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Who's quote is that?

[Lanfear-Mafia]

That would be mine, I think.  I understand that Real Life intrudes, and I've said that I'm willing to unvote if we can find something solid.  Right now, all I have is speculation, with nothing to back it up.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Well, once we lynch someone we can gather info.  I am tempted to change my vote to speed things up, but Ishys response to my vote on him has me not wanting to.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

How is being stubborn and seemingly vindictive going to help, Cyndane?

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Mesaana has picked up the casing, which is good for everybody!

You have asked me questions and I’ll answer them as well as I can.

 

2nd quote of my case, you ask me to “clarify”. At this point I did not think that SemiVemi was the healer, and felt like a plan was being carried out. I still don’t know if he was our healer, but still do think he was up to something.  Given the name of the game, I expected that Barm would have thrown in some crazy roles or rules, but no one but the roled people had any way of knowing what these may be. I had guessed Semi an evil at this point and had aligned him with Be’lal and Balthamel. So it was safer to vote Be’lal and keep Semi around in case he was just being Vemi, and he was the healer.  Again, I still think something screwy was going on here, but don’t yet know what it was.

 

3rd quote: “Does he know 2 persons will die?”  Only if I was the Mod! No, I just wanted to introduce the idea that two teams could be operating and that trying to base a No Kill vote on a standard mafia setup of 18 players / 4 evils was risky in a game called the "nuthouse". I expected some sort of craziness, which did prove to be the case.

 

4th quote: I did believe in the switching theory. Barm relabeled the game "123456Switch", so I figured he was switching people! BTW, I am glad he is not! Then you ask what happened to my “suspicion of Semi being a non-healer innocent?”  Again, I never thought he was innocent. At the end of the game, I won’t be surprised if we find out that everybody’s alignments were switched for their reveal. I’m not saying we should go with that as a theory, just that something screwy like that would not surprise me.

 

5th quote: You say, “I don’t see what’s so wasted about a first-night-healer-hit.”  It was a waste because if you have one shot, why not wait until you have more info to make it count? Semi is still not confirmed as healer, and it is possible that he was just clowning around, making that a useless hit. Same goes for Osan’gar. And, usually the sniper/vigilante/assassin role is an innocent one, right? So why blow your shot on one of them on the first night? I still think it was a waste.

 

6th quote: “He doesn’t even try to vein to be surprised!!!”  I wasn’t surprised. We already knew it had happened and this was one of the first explanations that started to make sense. I was glad that someone had mentioned it as a possibility. I don’t understand why you would think anyone would be surprised?

 

8th quote: This is a “what if” scenario. That’s why I added the bit at the bottom. I still think that something screwy is up that we just have not put our finger on yet.

 

9th quote: It’s a random-vote. I did laugh at being called reckless though. I don’t think Cyndi is in much danger right now and if I was reckless, then she was reckless first!  I’ll move the vote when I decide who I think is most likely to be evil. And these cases help!

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Be'lal(2) - Balthamel, Sammael

Mesaana(2) - Be'lal, Aran’gar

Demandred(1) - Asmodean

Aginor(1) - Rahvin

Aran'gar(1) - Lanfear

Graendal(3) – Moghedien, Aginor, Mesaana

Ishamael(1) - Cyndane

Cyndane(1) – Ishamael

 

This is the standing. There's 16 players, so 8 votes to kill. Meaning everyone can get nightkilled ftm. 3 out of 8 needed votes is not enough to be condemned, certainly not if there's 2 with 2 and 5 with 1 vote.

 

We're gonna reach page 50 before nightfall.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

I'll unvote Cyndane, and move my vote to[glow=red,2,300] Graendal[/glow]. I still have my eye on Be'lal, but Graendal looks equally shifty.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Okay, Ishy.

 

the "second quote": I'm gonna quote part of what you said in the beginning:

I believe that Semi has a role, and that role caused a little overexcitement. I am not convinced it is healer.

I believe that Semi tried to be sly and throw people off on his identity, then tried to cover for mistakes.

And how you explain it:

I had guessed Semi an evil at this point

. later (at quote 4) you say:

Again, I never thought he was innocent.

So, the first quote is supposed to be allowed to stand for an evil role??? Sorry if I'm wrong, but I don't really believe that.

 

As to the "Does he know 2 persons will die?": not only the Mod, but probably the evils as well knew this. Or the sniper.

 

About the surprise-vein: you're right. My mistake.

 

And that makes it:

Be'lal(2) - Balthamel, Sammael

Mesaana(2) - Be'lal, Aran’gar

Demandred(1) - Asmodean

Aginor(1) - Rahvin

Aran'gar(1) - Lanfear

Graendal(4) – Moghedien, Aginor, Mesaana, Ishamael

Ishamael(1) - Cyndane

 

8 votes to kill.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

Mesi,

 

I don't understand what you mean. Why do you think that I implied it was an innocent role? I'm confused on that point.

 

And yes, all of the roles would have known what they could do, but not what each other could do. We might have had three night kills, or none. My point being that only the Mod knows everything that will happen.

 

Explain the top question to me and I'll answer it.