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[Belal-Mafia]

That's a nice invitation for the innocents to post the don't kill tonight list so that the mafia has no work to do tonight. ;)

 

On a serious note, I hate to say it, but it must be asked. Be'lal, tell us. What do you think about how our saving a player rather than handing out freebies turned out?

 

I think it got shot to hell by having two deaths (since we ended up not gaining a day, which was the whole point of it).

 

I'm also annoyed, though not surprised, that Osan'gar died, since I painted a giant target on their back (intentionally, before I had any opinion of their innocence one way or the other, figuring that if they survived it would make me more suspicious of them)

 

 

As of right now, [glow=red,2,300]Mesaana[/glow] is my top suspect, for being so vehemently in favor of lynching Semi despite the healer claim.  Also, Sammael wasn't exactly inactive, and because the reasoning is clearly wrong I'd be a bit wary of this being an innoculation vote (if one is lynched and turns up evil, the other can point to this as evidence of innocence)

 

Ishamael is right behind, for being uber defensive when named by Cyndane, as well as for Cyndane's reasons, with Balthamel right on his tail, for reasons previously stated

 

FYI, I am probably going to be scarce today, since I have an absolute fire drill at work that will keep me here (conservatively) until sometime tomorrow morning  >:(

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Try to cut back on the spam guys so we can see who is truely active...

 

Really? Barm asked us to spam, so I really don't see where you should be saying that.

 

Ishamael, struck my radar earlier in the game, but I do not remember why. I think I will go back and reread to jog my memory.

[Arangar-Mafia]

I'm here... what are your other two wishes?  I'm speculating on the turn of events with the nokill day one doing nothing for us, and weather that means Be'lal was yanking our chains and convinced us to do so for his benefit or if he also truely didn't expect something like that to happen.  It is a nuthouse and I do believe Barmy is playing it as such.  I guess for now Be'lal is highest on my suspect list but I'm gonna try to look back at a few others.

 

 

Mesaana(1)- Be'lal

Be'lal (3)- Sammael, Moridin, Balthamel

Sammael(1)- Mesaana

[Ishamael-Mafia]

I wanted to wait and hear from Be'lal before I posted to say that he is the top of my suspect list. Talking the group into going against one of the golden rules of mafia, then saying it got shot to hell because of unknowns is pretty weak in my book. And no comment about defending Semi, even though it now looks as if he made a false claim. Then, and these are classic scum tactics, to vote Messaana because she was for lynching Semi because he acted strangely, to say that my comment to Cyndane was "uber" (seriously, what is uber? When you bold half of your post, is that uber? Please.) then trying to drag Sammy into the mud because he just voted for you. Twisting words to try and influence others is a bad sign. [glow=red,2,300]Be'lal[/glow] is the most suspicious right now. And Moggy is hot for me, I can tell :-*

[Demandred-Mafia]

I'm really just not sure about anyone. And I agree with the spam. Some spam is great, and even funny. But lots of it makes me not want to check the thread.

 

I have some definite suspicions, but I’m holding onto them for a bit yet, to see what happens after the rest of my post. Oddly enough, Be’lal isn’t really pinging me. It was a gamble, other people saw and agreed with the gamble, and it backfired because there were details we weren't aware of.

 

Ishy was pinging me for awhile as well, but I'll tell you what changed my mind about him, and many others. Their reactions to the whole switch thing. Look at how the people who posted reacted. There were those who were seriously freaking out, and those who definitely didn't. If any kind of switch was to occur, the mafia would have received a pm, and they would have had all the other mafia to talk to, so there would be no reason for them to have a cow on this thread. Innocents on the other hand, would have something to worry about, because they get nothing outside of this thread. Just an observation, but I really think if we study it, and then the rest of everyone else's posts, it may tell us something.

 

I think Semi was the Healer, and I think that he also gave us the explanation to what really happened, even before he did it:

Which i just had a scary thought combining the paranoid cop and the docter O.o. the "stupid doctor" who kills whoever he tries to heal

Perhaps it didn’t work quite like that, perhaps there was a mischance or something involved, but looking back on it, it makes the most sense, in its simplicity. Which makes Osan’gar the night kill, and me even more suspect of Moggy. It’s entirely possible the mafia set Moggy up for this, but I’m curious to see what everyone else thinks on the matter.

 

I'm withholding my vote for now, because I definitely have suspicions, but not enough justifications to really even voice them.

 

[Aginor-Mafia]

I believe that we should have taken down [glow=red,2,300]Be'lal[/glow] yesterday, he is hitting me very hard as a mafia, and if not that, then a symp.  All of these accusations on him only further my suspicions that he is the one to lynch today.

 

[Belal-Mafia]

Lunch break

 

I wanted to wait and hear from Be'lal before I posted to say that he is the top of my suspect list. Talking the group into going against one of the golden rules of mafia, then saying it got shot to hell because of unknowns is pretty weak in my book. And no comment about defending Semi, even though it now looks as if he made a false claim. Then, and these are classic scum tactics, to vote Messaana because she was for lynching Semi because he acted strangely, to say that my comment to Cyndane was "uber" (seriously, what is uber? When you bold half of your post, is that uber? Please.) then trying to drag Sammy into the mud because he just voted for you. Twisting words to try and influence others is a bad sign. [glow=red,2,300]Be'lal[/glow] is the most suspicious right now. And Moggy is hot for me, I can tell :-*

 

1) Like anyone didn't know I was at the top of your list after yesterday?

 

And no comment about defending Semi, even though it now looks as if he made a false claim.

 

Actually, since Semi was innocent, and one of two players who died at night, it now looks as though he made a *true* claim.  Since he came up innocent, there are only two options:

 

1) he was actually innocent, in which case his claim must have been true (no innocent would falsely claim healer) and he died for some other reason (paranoid healer as he suggested, or he tried to get cute and heal someone else); or

 

2) He was a symp/godfather type who comes up innocent on coroner despite being guilty.  But if so, why did he die at night?  We can assume that the mafia wouldn't kill its own godfather, and if they did kill the symp, then who killed Osan'gar?

 

Occam's razor again - the "healer who kills" is the only thing that explains last night - unless we have a vigilante who used their nightkill on night 1?  Anyone want to own up to that?  If not, the smart play is to assume that he was, in fact, a "healer who kills."  (The only other option I see is for a two mafia team game where there are 2 kills per night, and I think that's a bit much, since there's no way for the innocents to win that.)

 

Then, and these are classic scum tactics, to vote Messaana because she was for lynching Semi because he acted strangely

 

Voting for someone who claims healer and is not counterclaimed, rather than giving the finder an opportunity to check it out, is taking a huge risk for absolutely no reward - unless, of course, you are mafia, and having the healer out of the way is a pretty big reward.

 

If you can't see why voting for Semi after the healer claim was suspicious . . . well, then you might be a mafioso.

 

to say that my comment to Cyndane was "uber" (seriously, what is uber? When you bold half of your post, is that uber? Please)

 

Your response to Cyndane was: "Thanks a lot Cyndane.

 

Go after me because I questioned the healer who revealed on day one (because we've all seen that before  ) and because I don't feel right. I bet I don't, if you are mafia!"

 

If you don't understand what is defensive about that . . . well, then you might be a mafioso.

 

then trying to drag Sammy into the mud because he just voted for you.

 

Actually, I didn't.  If you'll notice, Sammy has dropped on my suspect list from 1st to 4th.  But it is pretty interesting, don't you think, that Mesaana voted for Sammy for a reason that was inaccurate?  I mean if inactivity is driving the vote, there are much, much, much better candidates around.  This has all the hallmarks of an innoculation vote, and I'm just making sure people are aware of it as something to consider for later in the game.

 

Twisting words to try and influence others is a bad sign.

 

Interestingly enough, I agree.  But between the two of us, you're the one who is doing the word-twisting, as far as I can tell.  I'm still leaning towards Mesaana, but if the rest of you haven't lynched anyone by the time I get back and the vote is running Ishamael's way, I'd have no aversion to switching.

 

And if you lynch me before I get back - well, its understandable, since the "no lynch" argument backfired.  But when you get my coroner result, keep in mind what I said about Mesaana, Ishamael and Balthamel.  (My 4th tier suspects are Sammael and Lanfear)

 

(edited to change a glow to a quote)

[Belal-Mafia]

btw, Aginor, if I'm a symp, then Semi must have been a full on innocent, right? (unless you think there are two symps, which seems a bit much).  Which means I was defending an innocent healer day 1.  make of that what you will.

[Belal-Mafia]

ahem - i meant sammy dropped from 2d to 4th

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Perhaps it didn’t work quite like that, perhaps there was a mischance or something involved, but looking back on it, it makes the most sense, in its simplicity. Which makes Osan’gar the night kill, and me even more suspect of Moggy. It’s entirely possible the mafia set Moggy up for this, but I’m curious to see what everyone else thinks on the matter.

 

 

How exactly? What did I do or say that had anything to do with Osan'gar? The only link I can think of is my informing you that Barm told me there was no "stupid doctor" or similar role. Ask him. If he told one player, I am certain he will tell the rest. In fact, since people want to continue with the [glow=red,5,300]paranoid healer/stupid doctor: Barm will you tell the others what you said to me about these roles?[/glow]

 

As for the switch, I had no idea what that was and asked Barm about it, then decided to induce a bit of mayhem. Would you like to see the chat log? I saved it because I assumed someone would try to play this out. *rolls her eyes* The evidence is in Barm's words.

 

Moving on, I still do not think Be'lal is guilty. I think he may have taken a gamble, as did the rest of us who saw the merrit, and it did not hash out. This can be said of anyone who was played this game. At some point or other, you took the wrong gamble.

 

I still have not had time to reread, so I will be doing that this evening and I will have notes when I am finished.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

[glow=magenta,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=turquoise,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=white,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=yellow,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=blue,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=green,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=pink,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=maroon,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=brown,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=beige,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=lime,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=orange,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=purple,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=teal,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=black,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=gray,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=navy,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=red,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=limegreen,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=cyan,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=aquamarine,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=indigo,2,300]Spam[/glow][glow=violet,2,300]Spam[/glow]

Wait oh you said you don't like the spam?

[glow=khaki,2,300]SPAM![/glow] Oopsie :P

[Demandred-Mafia]

::)

 

First of all, I never once implicated that you were mafia because of the whole switch thing. I said that I think that a lot of the character's reactions to the entire switch panic was interesting, and that by gaugeing the reactions of them could give us a little insight.

 

Second, I find it just a little too convenient that Osan'gar was killed right after you and his little disagreement/misunderstanding whatever, when there were other better *imo* people to get rid of. THAT is why I said you were suspect; it has nothing to do with whatever else you are freaking out about right now. I also find your bullying attitude, and your tendency to jump on the case of anyone you disagree with suspicious. Intimidation and dismissal is a very handy tactic if you are going to be active/outgoing mafia.

 

On the other side of that, I also said that because of your issue with Osan'gar, it could potentially make it very easy for you to be targeted as mafia, because of what I mentioned above. 

 

As for Mesaana, the only thing I have really noticed about her is that she is just active enough to be considered active, and about 90% of her posts are spam.

 

But again, this is my opinion.

 

And I never said I didn't like spam, I said I didn't like a lot of spam. But again, this is an opinion. Nothing to get in a tizzy over.

 

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

As for Mesaana, the only thing I have really noticed about her is that she is just active enough to be considered active, and about 90% of her posts are spam.

 

I'll be much more active next week. If I'm still alive, that is. I've got stupid working hours this week, and from next week on, I'm at home, learning. Which means I've got about 20 min every 2 hours to be active.

 

As to spam: I've spammed once (with 2 others), and we were rudely interrupted by Asmo  ;D (no offense). For the rest: I tried to explain my reasons why I didn't believe in Semi's integrity a lot of times. Is that spam? And you know every one of my believes.

 

I don't believe in the Be'lal=evil theory. Like I said earlier, the evils won't want to make us go to no-kill by explicitely stating so. Never ever.

 

I don't really see someone who's very much quilty to me.

Then why my vote on Sammael? 2 (small) reasons:

1) maffia will want to split. Ishy, Sammy and me were for lynching Semi yesterday; the rest against.

2) like I said this morning: I believe in the sniper (or vigilante) theory. He/she's probably someone quite active, so I'm going for someone of whom I don't remember an important post. Which were the 3 names I gave.

One constant: Sammael.

 

if anyone convinces me of something better, say so.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

You would not believe how much information you can get from spam, why are you so scared Demandred, something to hide? More spam I say, more spam and a salt free western seaboard and a rain of pea on Shayol Ghul

 

*Strums his harp*

 

sing song

the night is long

and the day is giraffe*

and so, some may quaff

burst the dam

and let loose their spam

 

 

 

 

*beyond tedious

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

In my book, spam is only spam when it's useless.

 

And it's really you who has to say it, you destroyed our only excursion towards spamland on this threat!!

 

I'm gonna have to kill you. You will be surprised, and you'll only be able to say 2 words. Let me guess... no and you.

[Demandred-Mafia]

You would not believe how much information you can get from spam, why are you so scared Demandred, something to hide?

 

I quite wholeheartedly disagree. The only thing spam impresses me with, are a bunch of people who are hanging around, and have nothing useful to say. Spammers often spam to turn attention away from trying to actively solve the problems at hand, and spammers often tend to shoot themselves in the foot, because it's only a matter of time until someone says "Wow...they are always around, and yet they contribute next to nothing."

 

If you are going to bother posting, it may as well be with something to further the game. Some spam is great, as I said before...but if you sit around and do nothing but post useless content on a game thread, then you are suspicious in my book. To me this is rather common sense, but to each their own I guess. *shrugs*

 

Something to hide? Only my alt, sweetling. ;)

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Well, not to be unmodest, but i think I'm one of the people who furthered this game most.

 

I wanna see another suspect than be'lal; i wanted to look semi's claim through very well; I gave the decisive vote for a 'no kill'; i was the first to think about our lynch when everyone else was still surprised that there had been 2 deaths (we're in a nuthouse, get used to it).

 

I really don't get how you can declare 90% of my posts as spam.

 

I think you're looking for an easy victim. I already was a likely innocent suspect for today, as my tested ideas thus far proved wrong, so an evil could easily think me dead meat. I just posted that I didn't need much to change my vote, and you give it to me: [glow=red,2,300]Demandred[/glow].

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Spam. So vote me, get a lynch going why don't you. Maybe all your little assumptions might turn out to work, you never know. Here, I'll make it easy for you,

 

[glow=red,2,300]Demandred[/glow]

 

 

*Edit* :P Mesaana, just because I stopped you spamming you steal my thunder. *Throws a glockenspiel.*

[Demandred-Mafia]

Okaaaaay. Um. Yeah.

 

I was just commenting on Be’lal’s suspicion of you, by saying I didn’t see enough in your activity to find you suspicious…but if you can manage to pull “OMG I THINK MESAANA IS MAFIA” out of that…then whatever floats your boat I guess. >.>

 

But since you decided to bring it up, your “only 2 spam posts” are a little bit off as well. Here’s a recap (if you require quotes, I’m willing to go there…though you can really just check for yourself, by checking all your posts)

 

You’ve made 53 posts. Of those 53, 25 are spam (by your definition, useless posts. By my definition—useless posts that do nothing to further the game—I’m going by my definition.) So okay, not 90%, I was going for dramatic effect. Instead just under 50%. That is still a lot.

 

 

Asmo: Sorry, I make about as many useless votes as I do useless posts. It's not my style. I'm also not petty. Try again.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

*catches the glockenspiel*

 

*throws the church*

 

See Demi, this is spam: totally useless. Oh, it isn't any more. It's used as an example.

 

It's very believable to vote someone 15 minutes after someone else did, but pretending to not have known, Asmo. But I'm gonna believe it, because I saw you were online before I posted.

 

And Demi, the spam is all concentrated into one spammatic moment. What's wrong with that? It's needed for survival. As to the vote: like I said, I didn't need much. And I always wanna have a vote on someone.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I counted, and I've got 14 not-at-least-partly-directly-game-related posts upon a total of 51 (the first 3 ain't mine). That's a LOT less than 90%. And half of those is Sammy's fault (his threw a darts in my eye, remember?)

 

I read a "remember Mesaana, she was one of our prime suspects yesterday" in your statement.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

So nothing really new here and unless anyone needs me to respond to Be'lal and re-hash the same old stuff, I'll just leave it for now, but my vote stays on him. Sometimes you just rub someone the wrong way (but it's not personal!)

 

I'm looking back at the Semi/Vemy situation because it bugs me that we don't have an explanation that seems to fit yet. The more I look at it, the more I keep noticing how weird it was for him to reveal as healer on day one. He could have just said he had a role and it would have been reasonable to preserve him and have the finder look at him. But he came up with an elaborate story and excuse, and then it did not work out that way at all.

 

Then the group decides to go with a no-kill night, which is always, always discouraged by experienced players. Then that did not work out.

 

Now we have a few crazy thoeries, a few mentions of Occam's Razor, and the entire time I feel like there is something obvious that we a missing, but I can't see it yet. I have voted and explained why. I wish everyone else would do the same and we could start getting to the bottom of this!

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

You can't stop the [glow=purple,2,300]SPAM[/glow], nobody can stop the [glow=teal,2,300]SPAM[/glow].

Take the cold from snow, tell the trees, don't grow,

tell the wind, don't blow, 'cause it's easier.

No, you can't stop the [glow=black,2,300]SPAM[/glow], nobody can stop the [glow=yellow,2,300]SPAM[/glow].

Take the spark from love, make the rain fall up

'cause that's easier to do.

 

Ahem. Yes, well. Less of that, people.

 

I'm getting rather suspicious of Mogs right now. Where is all this information coming from? We now know she's not above totally fabricating mod granted info for fun, but we also know that Barm has indeed leaked info in the past. That is, if Semi wasn't also spouting fountains of bull. Yeah, this day could have started better.

 

And as for Demandred's reaction theory, speaking as one who totally freaked I can say that I would have done the same if I was Mafia. In fact, it is commonplace for Mafia to play the clueless-innocent card when they're fishing for an appropriate reaction to a situation that they previously knew about. So I don't think it'll help much. But by all means go back and give us a summary of people's reactions between the time of the prank and the time that Barm clarified. You might find some that don't ring true. Only remember that you can't dismiss someone just because they seemed appropriately confused.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Doing my reread and this is what I have, atm. Had meant to wait, but I want to point something out to a few people.

 

Which makes Osan’gar the night kill, and me even more suspect of Moggy.

 

What made you suspect in the first place? You didn't say, however, right before this statement, you were discussing the switch.

 

I also find your bullying attitude, and your tendency to jump on the case of anyone you disagree with suspicious. Intimidation and dismissal is a very handy tactic if you are going to be active/outgoing mafia.

 

*laughs* This just makes me laugh. If I see something to disagree with, I should state it. It insures that everything is logged when I have to go back to point something out. I post to let everyone know what I think. If you find this intimidating or bullyish, there isn't much I can do to change that. Well, aside from asking you what I should think, say, and do each time I need to do something. Want to have a go at that? Mark me, mafia.

I don't expect anyone to like me. It flat out shocks me when people do.

 

For the reread, I came up with a ton of identities. This makes me happy.

 

Alot of people have spammed this thread. In fact, nearly everyone.

 

Random votes flew like crazy. That makes it fun. But I want to go by words.

 

Looky what I found. Reply #148. I rather believe that this reiterates my stance that Semi did not kill herself through her healer role.

 

Jumping around because I am reading through and keeping up.

 

I quite wholeheartedly disagree. The only thing spam impresses me with, are a bunch of people who are hanging around, and have nothing useful to say. Spammers often spam to turn attention away from trying to actively solve the problems at hand, and spammers often tend to shoot themselves in the foot, because it's only a matter of time until someone says "Wow...they are always around, and yet they contribute next to nothing."

 

There's lies, LIES, and damned lies. I believe this may depend on the point of view, but I have gathered several things from this noninformative spamming. Such as your identity change. You spammed at the beginning of the thread; nothing added to the game there. Now you are so dead set against it that, I believe I will just let the cat out of the bag. Because I am mean like that.

 

Oh, and even the best players are known to spam a bit without adding content. When it is time to get to business, they do. I am tempted to vote you because you are so annoying me.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I'm getting rather suspicious of Mogs right now. Where is all this information coming from?

 

It is called fishing for as much available modly information as you can. Seriously, people should try this. It is how Sirayn managed several of her awesome stunts.

 

What made you suspect in the first place? You didn't say, however, right before this statement, you were discussing the switch.

 

I do realise that you posted the answer to this later on. I saw that and forgot to note it.