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  1. How exactly would this work? The only way for an army of archers to destroy infantry is if the infantry can't get to the archers. This worked for the English at places like Crecy and Agincourt because they had knights, and they were able to use the terrain to force the attacking French knights into a narrow enough space that they couldn't bring the bulk of their army to fight. There's no such terrain available outside of Caemlyn. Archers arrive, Dreadlords sense the channeling, nuke the archers coming out of it, send out Trolloc parties to overwhelm the archers before they can put up their defenses, let the Aes Sedai/Asha'man wear themselves out killing hordes of Trollocs, then kill them, and now you've got still got a vast army of Trollocs with few bowmen, and much depleted in it's heavy artillery. Perrin's army was not just archers. He had the Whitecloaks, the Mayeners, the Ghealdians, and the Wolf Guard in addition to his Two Rivers men. So you've got approximately 80k men vs how many hundreds of thousands of Trollocs? Still wouldn't work. The trolloc army in Caemlyn was described as "tens of thousands." Not sure where you are getting hundreds of thousands. The forces of the Light could have very easily crushed the Caemlyn army once they were beyond the gates.
  2. The Aiel is by far the most egregious example. There is absolutely no way that a nation that size can even live in a place as barren as the Waste, much less thrive. Where's the water coming from to drink? Where are they getting their food? Where are the mines for the ore and the foundries to smelt that ore for the blacksmiths to make iron? Where are the forests of trees necessary to make the bows, spears and arrows of this vast nation of warriors? The size of the Younglings is another one. Gawyn brings almost 600 Younglings with him to Dumai's Wells. Presumably this means there was more of them originally, though I wouldn't put the number higher than 700. We know that there are less than 1000 total Aes Sedai, at least 1/3rd of whom will most likely never bond a Warder (the Red faction with Elaida). The other 2/3rds are composed of Aes Sedai who mostly are either already bonded to a Warder or don't want a Warder. As of TGH, there were only 40 Novices in the White Tower and only 8 or 9 of them will make Accepted. Why in the world do we need almost 1000 Younglings when maybe 3 or 4 Accepted are raised each year? It's not for protection and/or policing of Tar Valon--that's what the Tower Guard is for. The defense of the Two Rivers (even though it's my all time favorite section in the WoT) also bugs me, but that's just because of the arrow situation. It's like RJ said--yup, we've got unlimited arrows here. We'll have a scene or two showing men fletching arrows and what not, even though that wouldn't begin to cover the demand. An English longbowman was supposed to be able to fire 10-12 aimed (for a loose definition of aimed) per minute. The way that the defense of Two Rivers is described it would take millions of arrows to be able to beat off the Trolloc army. Where did they get the steel for the arrow heads? The goose feathers for the fletchings? The glue and twine and rope to put the fletchings and arrowheads on? Where are the vast forests of trees that were cut down to provide said arrows and bows? Stuff like this is in almost every single book. RJ is very detailed and precise when it comes to numbers, which is great for a sense of realism, but it totally screws with reality because of the lack of any kind of support system for those numbers. I disagree with a lot of your points here. Regarding the Aiel, the Waste is a massive area. It's not densely populated but given that it's over a third of the size of the main continent, the Aiel's numbers are not that unrealistic. There is water in the Waste, as we saw in previous books, and this is where the Aiel make their holds. We also saw how they feed themselves with the scene at Cold Rocks Holds. Regarding the iron and wood, it's possible that this is acquired through trade. We don't know all their dealings in detail but they do seem to have pretty regular trade with peddlers from Randland as well as the Sharans. It's also possible that they do have mines. The Waste isn't a purely desert landscape as there are mountainous regions that could supply ore. For the Younglings, why are you comparing their numbers to that of Accepted and Novices? They don't have anything to do with each other. Sure, potential Warders can come from that group but several men training at the Tower were there simply to learn from Warders. Once the battle of the Tower occurred, Gwayn gathered them together and formed a force but it was clear from the beginning that the Younglings didn't serve a true purpose. They were no Warders to be nor did they fit into the ranks of the Tower Guard. This is part of the reason that Elaida was using them as an escort force. Even going with your Warder argument, you're ignoring that Aes Sedai live much longer than a Warder would. It stands to reason that Warders would eventually be retired and replaced by younger men. With members of the Green bonding several men, it's clear that this pool of candidates would be used by more than just Novices and Accepted as they gain the shawl. In Two Rivers, I don't understand why you think they'd need "millions of arrows" to fight ten thousand trollocs. You also ignore the possibility of arrows already stockpiled. Bows are their main weapon and hunting tool. It stands to reason that each man would already have a supply of arrows prior to the trollocs coming. It's also possible that they were retrieving arrows after each fight. While we only saw a couple fletchers, there's nothing to indicate that Two Rivers doesn't have several dedicated fletchers. They have access to woods, they have access to geese, they have blacksmiths, ore could come down from the mines around Baerlon. Just because RJ didn't describes all these in intimate detail doesn't make the overall concept not believable.
  3. How exactly would this work? The only way for an army of archers to destroy infantry is if the infantry can't get to the archers. This worked for the English at places like Crecy and Agincourt because they had knights, and they were able to use the terrain to force the attacking French knights into a narrow enough space that they couldn't bring the bulk of their army to fight. There's no such terrain available outside of Caemlyn. Archers arrive, Dreadlords sense the channeling, nuke the archers coming out of it, send out Trolloc parties to overwhelm the archers before they can put up their defenses, let the Aes Sedai/Asha'man wear themselves out killing hordes of Trollocs, then kill them, and now you've got still got a vast army of Trollocs with few bowmen, and much depleted in it's heavy artillery. Perrin's army was not just archers. He had the Whitecloaks, the Mayeners, the Ghealdians, and the Wolf Guard in addition to his Two Rivers men.
  4. it was 150 miles but still WAY to far. for any force to travel 150 miles to get some archers. it is like an army attcking London for the people in london to chase them 30 miles north of Nottingham. go look at google maps it is crazy No it's not. The French let the English march over 350 miles from Harfleur before forcing them to fight at Agincourt. You're comparing armies of men to armies of Shadowspawn. Did Perrin's army not make camp? There's no way they could have not been overrun over 150 miles. We've been repeatedly told how trollocs can run down a horse. In EotW the small party couldn't outrun trollocs but we are to believe that an entire army outran them for 150 miles?
  5. it was 150 miles but still WAY to far. for any force to travel 150 miles to get some archers. it is like an army attcking London for the people in london to chase them 30 miles north of Nottingham. go look at google maps it is crazy. Exactly. The strategy didn't make any sense. Once they had the trollocs outside of Caemlyn, Perrin's army and a couple dozen channels could have finished off the trollocs in a afternoon.
  6. Personally, the battle plans and descriptions ruined the book for me early on. The whole strategy for the Caemlyn trollocs was absurd. Convince them to attack and then let them chase you 250 miles north to Braem Wood? Of course, there is no detail given whatsoever about how this chase was pulled off or why it was even necessary. In one POV the trollocs are charging Perrin's harrying force, in the next POV they are 250 miles north outside Braem Wood. This would take 1-2 weeks in traveling time for an army. How did Perrin's army prevent from being overrun during this time? It was so poorly written I had to put the book down for a bit at this point. Also, it's noted that the trollocs in Caemlyn number in the "tens of the thousands." In KoD's Rand and a few friends destroy 100,000 trollocs at the manor house, yet in aMoL they decide to kite the trollocs halfway across the continent (which would have taken a good month). Really? They fought the same group of "tens of thousands" of trollocs for a month and traveled over 500 miles despite having dragons and channelers? This whole tactic/battle was so sloppily written it was hard for me to engage myself in the book from that point on. What a massive disappointment. I'm glad we get an ending, but the execution of this book was awful.
  7. There are post chapter 40 spoilers in this thread btw, some of which are on the first page. I really thought it would be safe to click this after I read 40 but it did spoil a couple things.
  8. Loved Mat using the people of Hinderstep in full on zombie mode. Came to this thread immediately to comment on it.
  9. Yep very out of character. Similar to Mat's letter to Elayne in TGS. BS tries too hard with Mat's humor.
  10. Yep. Agree with all your points. Remember in book 1 when the company couldn't outrun trollocs over a few miles when there was just a few of them? Apparently now an entire army is able to keep ahead of them for 250 miles (they must not sleep or make camp) and it takes 1 page in literary terms to make this transition. Something must happen in Braem wood later and BS was unsure how to get the characters there. There's no way that RJ would come up with this strategy.
  11. Huh? Egwene has shown her abilities time and again (even if insufferable in doing so). Elayne has shown her incompetence time and again. She's the only ruler there to have lost her capital in the first 100 days of her reign! I think that's his point. Egwene is randomly awesome at everything to the point where she's become infallible. It's kind of ridiculous. She's an 18 year old farm girl that has had maybe 6 months of formal training and education in the Tower and with the Rebel Aes Sedai, yet she's always the wisest most knowledgable Aes Sedai. It's pretty unrealistic, especially compared to Elayne who has trained her whole life to lead and influence others.
  12. lol A little harsh, but no, it didn't make much sense to me. Sorry maybe I was a little harsh with that, but it is irritating how rushed the battles seem so far. The idea of leading the trollocs 250 miles to woods to set an ambush just doesn't make sense. Not to mention that the woods weren't even utilized. We had a couple volleys of arrows and then dragons and it was over. Very odd sequence.
  13. The battle with the Caemlyn trollocs was terribly written. On page 233 they are still outside Caemlyn refusing to charge, over 50 leagues away.. We then get an Androl and Lan POV and on page 237 they are suddenly outside the woods? Wtf. They charge Perrins harrying force and then somehow follow him for several days as they travel over a hundred miles? How is Perrins force traveling faster than trollocs for days on end without rest? The whole sequence was completely glossed over and frankly, tactically retarded. Did this make sense to anyone?
  14. What was the criteria you looked for? I'm disappointed about not being selected and found the sign up form odd. There were only one line input boxes for the selections, making it appear that this was more of a contest than an application process. I did fill it out fully, but it was rather vague and didn't state what you were looking for. This, coupled with the massive delays and the failure to notify all applicants in a timely manner, has left a bad taste in my mouth regarding this site. This was a poorly executed process.
  15. I can't wait to find out! I hope I can get picked for Chicago. Either way I'll be there.
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