The person above me is a bit scary, and I like it. ;)

The person above me...

... is a pokeball?  ???

The person above gives good ticklepokes. ;)

One other thing to throw in here, but the Two Rivers view of protecting women isn't unique. You have the exact same attitude in Fal Dara, and from some of the things in New Spring I'd say Malkier was the same.  It's called chivalry, and it's something that many men even to this day try to practice in some way. It has nothing to do with feeling that women are inferior. It has to do with feeling that women are so important that making sure they are protected should be the first priority.

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Smeagol Fain?

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Somehow I don't really buy Slayer being created just to be powerful enough to kill Fain. Seems like a channeler would be a better option.

I can see it now...

Rand has driven his forces through to SG itself. Aiel cover the mountainside fighting some of the nastiest Shadowspawn ever created. Rand enters the Bore where he meets some kind of powerful resistence, backed up by Slayer. Rand meets them in battle and Fain, who has been following unseen, trembling all the way with his memories of his treatment in the very place, leaps out screaming that al'Thor is his. Dagger bared he lunges for Slayer to take him out of the way first, much as he eliminated the renegade AM in Far Madding before going after him himself.

Slayer and Fain battle. Slayer manages to cast Fain into the Bore where the DO tears him limb from limb and eats his soul, but not before taking a wound from the dagger. Slayer falls dieing, and as he does he splits into Luc and Issam. And as he takes his last breath Luc reveals some critical piece of knowledge to his nephew Rand that ensures the defeat of the Dark One.

I don't think any of us meant that Luc was sent to kill him by Gitara. At least I didn't. We're simply saying that Gitara's Foretelling sent him there, where he then was merged with Isaam and killed Rand'd dad. The question we're exploring is why that had to happen. Is killing him the reason Luc had to go, because his resemblance to Tigraine kept himself from being killed by Jonduin? Or is there more to it? And if it was just to kill Jonduin, why was that so important?

Why, we've strayed a bit from the orginial question in the thread haven't we? :D

Jell-o

Actually, sometimes they remember, and sometimes they don't. It seems to vary de[ending on the person and the circumstances. For instance, Nicola had her first Foretelling while in the Circle in Salidar, but didn't remember it afterward. However Elaida said the very first Foretelling she'd ever had was that the royal house of Andor was the key to winning the last battle, but that she'd been smart enough to keep that knowledge to herself. That, plus all the other times we see Elaida have a Foretelling, implies that she's very conscious of what she says. Especially the Foretelling she has with Alvirin in the Tower. The one about the BT being in flames and Sisters walking its grounds. There was only the two of them there, and I doubt anyone told Elaida what it was she had said. But she has no problems knowing what it is she said in that Foretelling.

I'm not saying your wrong. He probably was meant to kill him. The real question is, why? The only thing I can think of is that, maybe, he needed Rhuuarc to be the clan chief of the Taardad. How much would be different if his father had still been that chief?

Rand wouldn't have had family to raise him, even if his real father had never been killed. Tam found Rand and took off with him right after Rand was killed. Rand's real father had plenty of chance to go after Rand, but he knew it was a lost cause to find him.

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Luc was Tigraine's brother (hence uncle to Rand and Galad). Shortly before she went to the Waste' date=' Luc went to seek his fortune/fame/fate in the Blight, where the encounter with his now other half took place. No one knows if he was evil before then, but he sure as hell is now.[/quote']Well the whole reason Luc went to the Blight is because Gitaro told him he must. Now, unless Gitara was BA and gave him a command as a higher ranking DF, then I doubt Luc was evil before his blending with Isaam.

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Luc was Tigraine's brother (hence uncle to Rand and Galad). Shortly before she went to the Waste' date=' Luc went to seek his fortune/fame/fate in the Blight, where the encounter with his now other half took place. No one knows if he was evil before then, but he sure as hell is now.[/quote']Well the whole reason Luc went to the Blight is because Gitaro told him he must. Now, unless Gitara was BA and gave him a command as a higher ranking DF, then I doubt Luc was evil before his blending with Isaam.

Yeah, Majsju has summed it up nicely. :)

Yeah, Majsju has summed it up nicely. :)

Luc and Isaam were combined somehow by the DO at SG. So I think that pretty much makes him an agent of the DO. As for who sent him to the Two Rivers in the first place... Well, that's still a mystery I believe.

Luc and Isaam were combined somehow by the DO at SG. So I think that pretty much makes him an agent of the DO. As for who sent him to the Two Rivers in the first place... Well, that's still a mystery I believe.

I think Fain was the reason he was there. If you remember from the way he acted with Bornhald when he heard Fain had been at Taren Ferry, he was very interested in Fain's whereabouts.

I think Fain was the reason he was there. If you remember from the way he acted with Bornhald when he heard Fain had been at Taren Ferry, he was very interested in Fain's whereabouts.

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