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Elvira_Sedai

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  1. I have a question about Egwene's soul. Is her something special in the Great Pattern or she's a regular one and RJ tried to show us that every commoner could achieve what she did if (s)he is working enough hard ?
  2. Being a Wiccan myself I would be very satisfied if Nakomi is realy a some kind of Creator's proection. The whole scene with her and Avi strongly reminds me a hidden mistery of the Goddess Herself take an examine very perspective apprentice before her dedication and give her the last lesson. I can predict that Aviendha's role in postTG Future will be much more important than most of the fans think - remember, later in tSR she took a message from WOs where were those : Your destiny is known, you will be a Wise One of Great strengh and Huge power ... Now there are no more Seals , so the Watcher of its title becomes obsolete. Egwene laid a basis for all channelers integration, especialy between AS and WO . It would be a perfect sense if the 4th Age honorific for Amyrlin being Keeper of the Wisdom and Aviendha sometimes after raising her and Rands children take this position .
  3. Personally I thought the FoM showdown between her and Rand gave pretty strong evidence that Halima had used Compulsion to turn Egwene against the Dragon. Besides there being a line that referenced her headaches and Halima just prior to the meeting, Egwene is unreasonable and obstinate far beyond reason; and as much as I dislike Egwene she is not unreasonable by any stretch normally. Her demands and expectations are absurd, she is unfailingly contrary no matter what he says and there are a lot of indications that Rand's nature as the Dragon is lost upon her (she thinks his effect on the land and making things grow is a trick of some sorts for example). It has been a theory I found pretty solid for awhile now and I think this book bore it out. Egwene was not unreasonable. No more so than Rand. They each had half of the puzzle. Rand was right, the Seals had to be broken before the DO could be taken care of. Egwene was right in that it was her responsibility to break them, and find the exact time to do so. Which is pretty much what Moiraine enforced. As for killing the Dark One, Rand was dead wrong there, and Egwene was right to fear that plan. She was also right in pointing out that Rand could hardly command the armies from Shayol Ghul. If Egwene had simply acceded to Rand's wishes, everything would have been lost. The reverse is true as well. Egwene had the same portion of the puzzle she has always had, which is exactly 0. Of course this is my opinion, but I fear its little more than the usual "Listen to me, because (a) I am the All-Mother, and (b) I will turn out to have been right all along, because in this universe only females can be ever be right, in order to promote their mystical wisdom" So essentially your argument boils down to the same old, "I hate this character. So if she does anything right in the books, its because the authors made her a Mary-Sue so I can't hate her in peace"? Personally I thought the FoM showdown between her and Rand gave pretty strong evidence that Halima had used Compulsion to turn Egwene against the Dragon. Besides there being a line that referenced her headaches and Halima just prior to the meeting, Egwene is unreasonable and obstinate far beyond reason; and as much as I dislike Egwene she is not unreasonable by any stretch normally. Her demands and expectations are absurd, she is unfailingly contrary no matter what he says and there are a lot of indications that Rand's nature as the Dragon is lost upon her (she thinks his effect on the land and making things grow is a trick of some sorts for example). It has been a theory I found pretty solid for awhile now and I think this book bore it out. Egwene was not unreasonable. No more so than Rand. They each had half of the puzzle. Rand was right, the Seals had to be broken before the DO could be taken care of. Egwene was right in that it was her responsibility to break them, and find the exact time to do so. Which is pretty much what Moiraine enforced. As for killing the Dark One, Rand was dead wrong there, and Egwene was right to fear that plan. She was also right in pointing out that Rand could hardly command the armies from Shayol Ghul. If Egwene had simply acceded to Rand's wishes, everything would have been lost. The reverse is true as well. Well, the balance is the main theme of the series after all, even if equal inputs from Egwene and Rand make no sense considering their personal histories. I assume you're commenting on Egwene's attitude in AMoL, which changed fundamentally from ToM. In ToM she was vehemently opposed to breaking the Seals, calling the very idea madness. Yeah, her ToM position was simply Brandon not thinking ahead. As for them having equal input, their personal histories are filled with similarities. They're meant to be mirror/parallel characters, and that's been established for a long time now. If you look at their interaction here, its very clear what Brandon was going for: its like saidin and saidar. They work together, but also in opposition. That's why we got totally nincompoop scenes like Rand accusing Egwene of wanting the taint back to suppress male channelers, and Egwene accusing Rand of trying to treat her like a village girl. They get each other, but they also rub each other raw... in the process the Pattern survives, is healed of the rifts created in it, and has a dark intruder kicked out. While I had issues with Brandon's specific handling of some scenes, on the whole I was very pleased with how he was able to carry on with the Rand-Egwene parallels. I only wish their tGS storyline and aMoL storyline were in one book. Would have been much more powerful.
  4. One of the first Min's Viewnigs about Egwene was the White Flame. It always seems being intrepretated as her become the Amyrlin, but I think now that it was a Forshadowing of that Weave.
  5. We don't see their reaction. The only one we see reactions from who know a little of what happens are Rand, Leane and Mat. Leane seems to understand some of it, but we don't see her totally break down or anything. Mat knows the practical significance of what she did. He has no clue she also did much more. Rand knows what she did, why she did it, and the moment of her death. And he says she "shone with the Light" for him. That is enough, I think. Thanks! I also hope it's enough. And another one little question: you call the Creator Her in your posts, is it your own choice or we will find something in aMoL to solidificate that point of view?
  6. Being Egwene fan for more than 15 years I shed a lot of tears knowing the News. So, tell me please , do people know what she did for them, do they recognize it? Do Fortuona and the rest of Seanchan understood what kind of person those "unfamous Marat'damane" could be?
  7. Indeed, that is why I mentioned that scene specifically, things like this, where he has to actually defend Egwene's actions make it seem like he KNOWS that he made her look bad, whether this is on purpose or unintentional is another question however, it should either be a) made clear what is happening b) intentionally ambiguous. If it needs explaining afterwards, obviously something was missing there. Agree . I have no problem with an author presenting my favourite character in negative way because we all are humans and have our own opinion . One of my long time favs , Morgana le Fay is a perfect example of this . That scene with Perrin and Egwene trying to tie him and his easy escape could be introduced to show Perrin's superiority skill in TAR , but Brandon himself said that they are both very strong there , but a different way . So he somehow contradicts his written text and makes me sure that the reason of it is the one in my previous post .
  8. Maybe there's only so much hate to go around, and if Egwene is picking up more of it, then Faille naturally collects less. It has been suggested that Brandon's Egwene, in particular in Towers of Midnight, has been off character, much like Mat in tGS is said to be. Particularly his poor handling of the TAR scene with Perrin and Egwene. This is what has been said, not necessarily my views. Yeah , I also find this scene being written with a bit of Perrin favouritism . We , WoT fans , all know that Perrin is BS's most related character and he did not keep himself from making him looking better than other characters supposed to interact with him . Like Elayne when he came to negotiate with her or Galad in their Parlez-vous , Egwene in their TAR meeting is just one of those examples .
  9. My guess that the trouble comes from the post like that . The whole theme of the series , IMHO , is who should lead and who should follow is just a wrong question . The right one would be who can do better this or that and who has more time and resourses for it . Fighting the Shadow is much wider territory than just bailing out the DO from the Pattern . It has many sides and each of the main characters has advantage in one of this . Egwene is the best for being the political leader , for example and Mat as a field marshal of military troops , Rand for dealing with the Bore itself etc.
  10. I'm confused . When did I said that Four Elements theme came from Five Elements one ?? I only said about WoT connection to the last one .
  11. Just a great post ! I can add a bit Lets think about the title Wheel of time . My Wiccan mentality directly connects it to the Wheel of year , which is ruled by Goddess and God ( or Tripple Goddess and Horned God , or All-Mother and Green Man ) together . Cannot resist a seduction to add that WoT using Five Elements of OP - air , earth , fire , spirit and water also comes form our Wiccan symbolism , the traditional one has only four And I have to agree with you that being sympathetic to Rand is very easy to any reader , for taking and understanding Egwene's role and her place in the Pattern some analytic job is defenitely must .
  12. Yes , I understand where its come from . For Christians and Muslems the God is perfect by defenition . For other religions , old or new does not matter , the Gods and Goddesses are the same as men and women with all their strenghts and weaknesses , just have supernatural power . The way RJ used in some characters analogies with some deities and famous heroes makes me think that he thought the same . Rand as a central figure has connection to many mythological characters - Marduk with destroying all chains and breaking old order , Hercules with doing a number of impossible things , a Green man with being one with the Land , Thur and others which I can not remember quickly . Nynaeve with her divine healing power has a strong connection to Isis and Minerva , Mat adventures and losing an eye relate him to Odin . Min's Viewings and interest in philosophy connect her to both Athena and the Sybils . For Egwene I said in my previous post . Those deities and heroes are in no way a perfect persons , they just made stories , or as someones believe , the History of the real World .
  13. I,m ever being her hardcore fan for a very long time , but now I start to realise that Egwene is even something more . Her leadership style and personal agenda being the best she can and making better everything she can remind me of Roofmistress of All role in comparison with Rand's Warchief of All one . I think that if Rand's main goal is saving the World's existance , that Egwene's one is making this World worthy to being saved . I beleave that Egwene's storyarc is RJ's way to show us how exactly our famous legend of Her , Who is the Maiden Who is the Mother Who is the Crone was born . She already particulary fullfilled this in her counterstrike with Mesaana in ToM , but I think we can see more of it in aMoL . I mean that every major character has sacrifice something very significant ( Rand - his hand , Mat - his eye etc ) and Egwene , my little foreshadowing , will sacrifice perhaps the most a woman can - her Youth . Either wasting huge amount of inner strenght and power or somehow using Bloodknife rings which Gawyn now wears on his neck , her hair would become gray and face whimy while all her other body parts still be a Maiden's one
  14. We actually don't know that cuendillar is iron anymore, as we don't know what the process of making cuendillar entails. It could completely defy our understanding of chemistry--for instance have you considered the possibility that the process adds or takes away protons? I'm base my opinion on this : So , it isn't like a stainless stell to iron , it's still a pure iron and it would be pretty logical that some qualities of material are keeping . For the matter of what particulary acid-like liquid seen in WoT could destroy C. , I would bet on Darkhound saliva .
  15. Like this scene very much , it should be realy Great after some edition !
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