Why does everybody hate Egwene?!?!

Mostly because she spends the entire series being overbearing and self-righteous.

Part 2 is up: http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2011/07/wheel-of-time-art-off-part-2.html

Other dislikes: Darrell K. Sweet

 

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That was so obvious I forgot to mention it. Terrible covers =/

 

A pretty funny and spot on comparison of the the Sweet covers vs the new ebook covers:

 

Cover comparison

Nice. I'd never seen the eBook covers. The TSR and TFOH ones are awesome.

But isn't it the Andoran position that the Two Rivers is part of Andor? Meaning Rand is in fact "one of them" and not "a black-eyed Aielman?"

I don't know if that fact is known to them. It's been a while since I read the series, but I seem to recall Rand deciding to distance himself from the Two Rivers so that none of his enemies would try to use it against him.

The good Chemist

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please... call me Ho or ho

 

it's not just HERE that I won't capitalize, it's EVERYwhere (excepting only the most formal situations like when I take over proofreading WoT). you know why, because it's redundant! all you need is the "." period! anything more is not only a waste of time but an exercise in gullibility. the capital and the extra space are like added safeguards for the stupid / blind / illiterate. they are like having training wheels on your bike your whole life! take them off dammit, ride free! it's so much more liberating and fulfilling. not having to flex your fingers so far to hold down extra keys for no reason. don't knock it until you've tried it! only proper nouns are an exception, because it sometimes changes the meaning (i.e. creator or Creator, etc.)

 

"you have to do it like this for no reason except that we all do"

 

"ok" (baah)

 

(that was supposed to be a sheep!) yes the craic here has been sufficient

 

Traditions should not be maintained just because they were traditions.

~Towers of Midnight

 

George R.R. Martin took damn near six years to do the job right

ONE WEEK man! in ONE WEEK I said, I will fix every typo for you, no matter how many there are to begin with!

 

while the New Spring story is certainly connected to the main series, it isn't necessary to it.

neither is Crossroads of Twilight!!

 

alright I have no further comments on whether the original series of 3 was milked into either 14 or 15 books (or more) as it's irrelevant. although it's starting to look like "more" as isn't there also a guidebook or something, and what did that previous poster say back there about "outriggers" planned...? the original point was how the commercial success of a thing leads to the commissioning of more crap to sell, and "OH WELL" if the quality of the subsequent crap is nowhere near that of the original crap (i.e. Crossroads of Twilight)

Corrected some typos for you.

Especially of the black tower in andor gets destroyed and elaidas palace becomes the new black tower.

Interesting. I'd never thought of that, but it feels natural.

Since all (or the majority of?) souls get reborn Turning after Turning*, why doesn't Min see these future lives in everyone she Views? Why just Birgitte? She doesn't even see Rand's future lives! Or if she does, she hasn't mentioned it..

 

 

*and if some don't, what happens to those that don't? Does the DO eat them?

 

 

I always thought that it was possibly due to her being pulled out in between starting a new life. She's in her "in between" stage/form and so all her future lives are showing up, because as Birgitte, in this form, has all of those lives in front of her, but when she begins a new life, that life only has the one future. Something along those lines.

That was always my interpretation as well.

Birgitte remembering all of her past lives supports this, IMO.

Doing my first reread and they just reached Baerlon. Min says her viewing on "the gleeman" is a man, not him, who juggles fire and the white tower. I could make sense out of everyone else except this. What are these for Thom?

At the time I figured it was about Owyn, his nephew that the Reds Gentled. RJ later said that Min's viewings are always about the future, so I don't know. Either he's made a mistake (same deal with Lan and the baby with the sword), or there's some other explanation. Rand? His child from Moiraine? Don't know.

 

 

If Min's viewings are always about the future then it also makes her viewing of a Red Eagle for Mat a little wonky. Maybe it was supposed to be a Red Hand?

Hell, Perrin has had more by far to do with Manetheren and the Red Eagle than Mat has so far or very likely going to.

I believe that was before Mat had his Manetheren memory in TDR. If it was also before he shouted the Manetheren battle cry, then that's probably what it refers to -- the Old Blood manifesting itself strongly in him.

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Then everyone else is wrong. UncleButcher has the right of it - while New Spring is connected to the series (it's a prequel, after all) it is not a part of it, any more than the BWB is. And if we count the BWB as well, then WoT is at least 16 books - and why stop there? The RPG must surely be a part of the series! No, WoT is a series, currently intended to be fourteen books, beginning with EotW, concluding with AMoL. Those books are all part of the series, other related works are not.

 

Something being a side story does not mean it isn't part of the series. Is New Spring required reading to understand the rest of the series? No. But so what? It provides background and details not mentioned in the main series. It's set in the same universe. It's listed on the series list in the front pages of every WoT book. As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's set in the WoTverse it's part of the series.

 

Then why doesn't ToM say Book Fourteen of The Wheel of Time? Because it's only Book 13 of main series just like it says right on the cover.

Clearly because New Spring is Book 0, and Strike at Shayol Ghul is Book -0.25.

Finished Warbreaker. I liked it, despite my initial misgivings about the magic system.

Working on Century of the Soldier.

Going to try Prince of Nothing soon.

Elayne.

Need I explain myself?

EDIT: I forgot. Also Darrell K. Sweet.

Inheratancy Trilogy (Eragon)

Him? No!

I am re-reading CoT and I can't remember - do we know why Aran'gar killed the the two Blues in the rebel camp?

 

Cabrianna Mercendes (If I spelt that correctly) and her warder were tortured and killed by Semirhage earlier in the series. Halima arrived in Salidar claiming to be sent by Cabrianna, and that she died in a fall from her horse (or something like that). The two blues in the camp, Kairen and Anaiya (I think) were Cabrianna's best friends from Novice right through to Aes Sedai. So guessing they were killed by Halima in case Cabriannas death was questioned too closely, or was already being questioned by the two.

 

Apologies about spelling, not read those books for a few months and dont have them near me to reference chapters etc

That's the most likely possibility (I believe Egwene thinks to herself that the only strong connection between Anaiya and Kairen was Cabriana).

 

However, one amendment I'd make is that Halima was not just worried about the circumstances of Cabriana's death being questioned. She was worried that she'd be suspected of never having known Cabriana in the first place.

Also, Egwene might be right in suspecting that someone was trying to foil her plans to block Northharbor and Southharbor. Those two were her best cuendillar makers.

I remember that Kairen was. But I don't think that it was ever mentioned for Anaiya. (A quick check of encyclopaedia-wot shows that Egwene, Leane, Kairen, and Bodewhin are mentioned as the top cuendillar makers in Ch 17, COT.)

Also, wasn't Anaiya murdered before Egwene came up with her plan?

IIRC, Egwene thinks in Ch 17 about how two novices accidentally fuse two cups into one object, but she hasn't connected that idea to the harbor chains yet. Three chapters worth of Egwene POVs -- and no mention of cuendillar or an inkling of her plan -- later, Anaiya is murdered and Egwene does not have any idea why. Finally, in Ch 30, the next Egwene POV, we get Kairen's murder and this time Egwene thinks about having to replace her in her plan.

I am re-reading CoT and I can't remember - do we know why Aran'gar killed the the two Blues in the rebel camp?

 

Cabrianna Mercendes (If I spelt that correctly) and her warder were tortured and killed by Semirhage earlier in the series. Halima arrived in Salidar claiming to be sent by Cabrianna, and that she died in a fall from her horse (or something like that). The two blues in the camp, Kairen and Anaiya (I think) were Cabrianna's best friends from Novice right through to Aes Sedai. So guessing they were killed by Halima in case Cabriannas death was questioned too closely, or was already being questioned by the two.

 

Apologies about spelling, not read those books for a few months and dont have them near me to reference chapters etc

That's the most likely possibility (I believe Egwene thinks to herself that the only strong connection between Anaiya and Kairen was Cabriana).

However, one amendment I'd make is that Halima was not just worried about the circumstances of Cabriana's death being questioned. She was worried that she'd be suspected of never having known Cabriana in the first place.

It was around before the WOT smileys. So it's a random one.

Why do the Aes Sedai swear three oaths on the oath rod, instead of just swearing never to lie on the oath rod, and then saying "I will make no weapon....." since it is the same thing?

The Oaths are not a) objective and b) retroactive. By that, I mean that as long as the Aes Sedai believes she is telling the truth, she can say something. So if an Aes Sedai says, "I will make no weapon etc etc," the Oaths don't look into the future and say, "Aha, this woman is going to make a weapon etc etc on Taisham 11, 1004 NE, so it's a lie" and then stop her from getting the words out. As long as she believes that she won't violate her word, it's not a lie. Once the words are spoken, she can still change her mind and make the weapon, because nothing is physically binding her from making that weapon. The Oaths aren't going to prevent her from making a liar out of herself, because the words were true to her at the time they were spoken. Hope that's clear.

What was the message to Niall when he was murdered?

I'm not certain, but it was most likely that the Seanchan were planning an attack on Amadicia. At least, all of the other similar messages were about the Seanchan in Tarabon, Niall thought the message was gravely important, and the Seanchan attack not long after.

Why is Perrin called Sei'Cair by an Aiel?

"Cair" = golden (Cairhien, Al'cair Dal)

"Sei" = eyes (Seia Doon, sei'taer)

So Sei'Cair = Golden Eyes

What is Carridin searching for in Ebou Dar?

Again, not 100% sure. But I think Sammael told him to search for the angreal stash.

Moiraine knew that one little thing about the future after the docks. If she told the Wise Ones, the Wise Ones would have at least known of the possibility of Moiraine still being alive.

As Luckers stated (and quoted!) in his initial post, the link formed in ACOS.

Didn't he die when the Finns hung him outside the doorway and rand, for lack of better description, gave him CPR?

Nope. I believe RJ confirmed that Mat didn't die in Rhuidean, but I'm too lazy to find the quote atm. In any case, CPR doesn't heal dead guys. Nothing (that we know of) heals the dead, unless you count ripping Heroes out of Tel'aran'rhiod and balefire.

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Speaking of the Elayne chapter, I found some hypocrisy... right after Rand and Elayne kiss, she says to him, "I don't want to hear anything from you that you do not mean with your whole heart. Not now, not ever." But then, two days later, she sends him a letter about how much she hates him... any rational explanation for this?

Probably not.

I'm not an Elayne hater.

But you should be.

And clearly not masters of the quote function either.    ;)

The best way to deal with a troll attempt is not to "feed" them. Advice which I have been obviously ignoring, thus helping keep this thread alive. They tend to get discouraged when they don't get the attention they feel they deserve.

Agreed.  At this point, we can either take the thread off-topic and ignore all of his posts, or we can just ignore the thread itself.  It's fun to argue against someone who is blatantly wrong for a while, but if they keep saying the same thing over and over again then there's no point in continuing the argument.  You can lead a horse to water, etc.

Anyone who uses his own friends and treats them like shit is no saviour. . . . He's just a rabid dog with the sole sick purpose of saving the world.

Isn't that sort of contradictory?

 

you forgot that i mentioned the word sick in there? and the world's greatest joke? perhaps i should have used inverted commas over the word saving the world?

No, since Rand will quite literally save the world.  Like him or not, that fact remains.

Anyone who uses his own friends and treats them like shit is no saviour. . . . He's just a rabid dog with the sole sick purpose of saving the world.

Isn't that sort of contradictory?