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Lunan

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  1. from the prolog in eye of the world:

     

    "And it came to pass in those days, as it had come be­fore and would come again, that the Dark lay heavy on the land and weighed down the hearts of men, and the green things failed, and hope died. And men cried out to the Cre­ator, say­ing, O Light of the Heav­ens, Light of the World, let the Promised One be born of the moun­tain, ac­cord­ing to the prophe­cies, as he was in ages past and will be in ages to come. Let the Prince of the Morn­ing sing to the land that green things will grow and the val­leys give forth lambs. Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shel­ter us from the Dark, and the great sword of jus­tice de­fend us. Let the Drag­on ride again on the winds of time.

     

    (from Char­al Dri­anaan to Cala­mon,

     

    The Cy­cle of the Drag­on.

     

    Au­thor un­known, the Fourth Age)"

     

     

    I'm still with the majority and think this sword is justice, the dragon symbol could easily have been added by ishy as he was an adviser to Hawkwing, or so we understand from things he said. after all until the dragon banner was found at the end of eye of the world, NO ONE  not even AS knew what LTT's symbol was, they did know the ancient AS but not that of the dragon

     

  2. Well, it is worth keeping in mind that Mat does not borrow only from Odin, but also from Loki. Of course, the Loki traits seem to be disappearing more and more with Mats increasing maturity.

     

    Remember that mat has to give up an eye, just like odin

  3. i have seen it posted o a few sites that Verin is the only aei sadi that is known to have tell a lie and is not confirmed as part of the black ajah (ok i'm messing up spellings)

    now i have read the series a couple of times and i have listened to it, however the series is HUGE and i have not noticed Verin's lie, so i'm asking here are these post ill informed or did she lie?

    if so please post the quote for me and please post the novel and page

    thanks

  4. I actually think that unlike Lanfear, Siuan was speaking of the male and female Choedan Kal when she made that comment. That whole comment from her reeks of misinformation (on her part) and RJ himself has commented that Siuan was misguided in some of her beliefs about Callandor.

     

    can you pull some of those quotes for us, the exact wording might tell us something

  5. One a semi-related topic do we know how many male sa'angreal, angreal are left?

    Callandor, the male Choadon Kal, the fat little man angreal, and the "statue that if you held long enough would feel warm" that bale domen had(obviously an angreal but nop clue what happened to it aftet falme)

    i would expect that 1 or 2 more MIGHT be in the stone. 1 or 2 MIGHT be in the cache that had the bowl of the winds. i would think that 1 of the forsaken would have found 1 somewhere. i have always had the feeling that mazrem time has one. and there must be many more that are just sitting in various places cause no one knew what they were

  6. just adde dmore to my other post. but yes it isn't a true kat. it is a fantasy book after all.

    the big issue rj didn't really understand about swords is that the "sword fight" should NEVER be a duel in the way expressed, steel on steel is VERY bad, and stupid! 1 a sword CAN'T take that abuse(yes power made ones don't chip go dull or break, but those are VERY rare) a sword fight is over in the first 2 moves, a sword IS NOT a primary melee weapon, a battle axe, a good mace or morning star would be my first choice (assuming a rifle with good sights and nice snipper postion at least a klick away arn't avalibe

  7. rand's sword is actually NOT a katana. i am a sword collector, ok it is a kat but it isn't. it has a bit of the early SHAMSHIR in it, yes it is based on a katana, its more of a tachi or o-katana. a katan is at max (traditional use) a 26 inch blade, rands is at least 30 more likely 32 or 34 inch blade, also the tsuka(handle) on a traditional kat is between 10 and 12 inches, rands seems to be about 14, as far as i can tell all the fittings are not a kats but much more western, no seppa not collar etc.

     

    now the wheel of time swords i have seen from time to time are all total trash, and DONOT match the books descrip for the sword. the closest your likely to find in real life it going to be a tachi with some custom fitting work

     

    ok off soap box now

     

    edit: perrin's axe is a fairy standard war axe from the middle ages, vikkings, muslums, crusaders, franks, etc all used similar weapons, i would go looking up saxon war axes to find some fairly close examples, the big issue is "wicked half moon blade" and that its about 10lbs. the way some people "see" this is not even close to what it would really look like

     

    and the aeil spears are very close to both an african weapon and an early greek/roman weapon whose name escapes me at the moment.

     

    the belt knives are fairly straight foward, all nations, peoples, etc have a belt knife of some form and the aiel's will be similar in that they are NOT uniform, they will be the work of various smiths, made to a persons specific order, etc. for example reading the books you'll note that some of the maiden's are longer then the mens, i know if i was going hand to hand in a sword/spear age i would have 3 types of "belt knives" on me, a machete form on my back, a good utility knife (read 8 to 10 inches) and  wakisashi style. and the utility peice would be determined by territorial conditions, for example iraq i would want a cold steel srk, for germany i would want a simonich salish

  8. ok i don't want to be insensitive here. and i'm not saying that RJs loss is not a tragedy. but...

    Who should finish the series?

    Harriet - Wife, editor

    Wilson - Brother/Cousin

    another writer? off the top of my head Elizabeth Moon, Terry Goodkind, Susan Cooper are all writers who with Harriet's help and RJ's notes could do the job.

     

    now i know that the majority of us would jump on Harriet as the obvious choice(and i agree from the fanboy perspective) but...(my there is always a but isn't there)...but...what kind of writer is she? alot of Editors are just not able to wirte good stories, they are great at what they do and are very needed, but alot just can't write worth a bloody copper.

     

    (ok please avoid flaming, i'm serious here)

     

     

    Harriet and Wilson will finish it. If I remember correctly Wilson posted a few weeks before his passing that RJ, sat down with them and told everything that was not finished. Made him sound like a gleeman while doing it as well.

    With that information and his dictated notes, they are the best ones since only those two real know what HE intended. Anyone else will add there own flavor.

     

    what he said was that he told then the end of the story for 2 1/2 hours. now that could have been a broad outline of everything, but it sounded like(to me) a telling of the end, of the final battle and a bit of what happens right before and what happened after. maybe i read it wrong but thats how it sounded to me

  9. from reading between the lines in the blogs i would say a good 25% of it is on paper/computer in rj's writing, 15% to 20% is in various notes and blurbs in no particular order, harriet and wislon KNOW the ending in detail (2 plus hours from rj's lips is i would think a good 3 final chapters or so) and the various audiotapes that are mentioned in the blog conatin 30 to 50% of the book. added togeather thats a full book, but!!!!!!

     

    it has to be put togeather, it has to then be smoothed to fit properly, it has to make sense and ALOT of connective material has to be filled in

     

    for example Mat going after Morraine, anyone want to bet this is down in a fairly vague outline or is much more complete?

    What about Lan's drive into the blight? i'd bet this is just outline with limited detail (though it is clearly forshadowed that the 7 towers come back and his nation is born again)

     

    what about the Fate of the Aiel?

     

    RJ said he planned a book 10 years after the end showing Mat and Tuon so they survive we know.

    Does Rand survive? (there are very clear Arthurian refences, and "his blood on the rock of" etc well its clearly the double wound on his side, does LT get fully seperated leaving just rand to have his 3 wives)

    Perrin and the mountain home, is it reborn with Perrin as king, does he rule soldaia?

     

    just think of everything that has to happen in this last book.

    Rand has to meet Tuon, Tuon has to give her army over to Rand, the Ogre march to war, etc etc etc

     

    all the plots of the various forsaken

  10. I thought that the 3rd was the "Ring of the Tamyridian" or something like that.  I think LT wore it when he sealed the Bore and probably when he created Dragonmount.  But I still don't have the first book on me, so I can't be sure.    Or was it mentioned in the side story "Attack on SG"?    Yes, I know that that is not the correct name, but it should give you a clue.

     

    ishy did say "you wore the ring of tamyrlin" i always thought its a symbol of the leader of the hall?

  11. now i was aware of the wheel of time before the sword of truth. and there are a number of similarities, but that can be said to be true for the majority of fantasy vs fantasy. its like saying there are similarities to tolkien DUH!

     

    now on the defending side of the issue, it is said(with quite some truth) that after wheel of time 6 that the story goes no where for all the remaining books, and there is alot of truth in that statement. and mr goodkind's books also have a similar SLOW down.

    i really can't see where the hatred directed at the sword of truth books comes from, it makes little sensse to me

  12. I think Harriet could pull it off on her own really but if you're talking about another writer... Gaiman would be my choice. He's a very fluid writer and you can see he can do a number of styles, looking at his collab with Pratchett on Good Omens.

     

    yes good omens was HYSTERICAL, but... all of gaimen's writing is VERY british, even his episode of babylon 5 was very british, and the wheel of time is most emphatically NOT british, maybe him and harriet and someone else, but i'd be a little leary of his style.

     

    on the lesser known writers Linda Evans could likely pull it off well, her multiverse books with david weber are quite good and you can really see her influence when you feel howmuch of weber's standard infodump is lessoned and where some very good irony comes in

  13. i hadn't thought of Doughtery. do you really trust him to get it right though? for some reason i can't put my finger on that thought makes me feel a little uneasy.

     

    On the other authors side i have been thinking about authors who can really tell a good story in a fairly coherent way(ok for MotL that might just be asking too much) but Shana Abe does a very good job, all you have to do is cut out the sex she puts in

  14. ok i don't want to be insensitive here. and i'm not saying that RJs loss is not a tragedy. but...

    Who should finish the series?

    Harriet - Wife, editor

    Wilson - Brother/Cousin

    another writer? off the top of my head Elizabeth Moon, Terry Goodkind, Susan Cooper are all writers who with Harriet's help and RJ's notes could do the job.

     

    now i know that the majority of us would jump on Harriet as the obvious choice(and i agree from the fanboy perspective) but...(my there is always a but isn't there)...but...what kind of writer is she? alot of Editors are just not able to wirte good stories, they are great at what they do and are very needed, but alot just can't write worth a bloody copper.

     

    (ok please avoid flaming, i'm serious here)

  15. So think back to the Great Hunt...Hurin's a sniffer, they're hunting for the horn, and he has the ability to smell evil: darkfriends, crimes, creatures of the DO...and the only things that smell worse than Trollocs and Myrds are darkfriends....really bad darkfriends. Fain for example smelled so foul that he almost couldn't stand it.

     

    All of that being said, I can't seem to figure out why he wasn't able to smell any foul odors eminating from Selene. It just doesn't make sense. They were with her for days on end, and yet no foul odor. Does anyone have any theories on this? Its not possible that Lanfear has been "crime free" and I find it unlikely that she somehow knew that Hurin was a sniffer and figured out a way to block her "scent."

     

    Could this have been a small detail missed? Thoughts?

     

     

    while Lanfear was/is evil it is strongly implied that she is working for her OWN goals and not to "the dark lord's". untill she is caught in the mind trap and then she is ishy's.

     

    i have always seen Lanfear as one of those who don't see them selves as evil but is trying to make the world better but got lost it in.

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