@Sabioyes, there are several examples in The Wheel of Time and this is one of the big ones, where it feels like Robert Jordan started a big plot arc, and then totally abandons it! It is one of the things that really irks me with his writing. 

Yes, the Sea Folk do a few things, but so much is left unfinished that to me it is just taking up paper and wasting my time. 

I guess in a way it makes the world he built feel somewhat real. I say that because in real life it happens all the time that people do things that never get finished and in hindsight were completely POINTLESS! Especially in sociopolitical environments. 

But in a fantasy series where I'm just looking to be entertained, it feels like a waste of my time lol. 

Is it just me, or is the whole idea of the Coramoor and Sea Folk, nothing more than filler and a waste of paper? At the very least, the Sea Folk seem thoroughly neglected by Jordan! Do you agree with at least that much? 

Are any of you fans of them and how does The Coramoor or Sea Folk add something pleasing to this series for you? 

@DojoToad totally respect your stance. I can only point to chapter 19 of The Dragon Reborn which does state that Mat remembers past lives in regards to the Portal Stones. Perrin is unconfirmed lime I said, but he does act weird toward Rand right after travelling which insinuates something happened to him cause he realizes and says that none of them really have any choice [in this Path they've been lead down since leaving The Two Rivers].

I just think it's interesting and that Robert Jordan was trying to figure out a way to play withthe idea of a multiverse as well as past life regression which is a huge part of both Yogic and Hermetic Occult Practices, which we do know heavily influenced RJ's writing of WoT. 

I made a YT video backing up my claim that travelling via Portal Stone allowed Rand, Perrin and Mat to see alternative and past lives, and it heavily affected each of them:

I believe that Rand unconsciously became a baldemaster from this point on; Mat became capable of leading an army; and Perrin accepted his fate that he must help Rand as The Dragon Reborn. 

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Yes, in fact, I just reread chapter 19 of book 3 The Dragon Reborn. Right after Mat is healed of the Dagger from Shadar Logeth, he wakes in a Room in the White Tower and recalls vaguely, "Portal Stones and other lives lived." He goes on to think about those lives and how he was a Generaleading armies, and The Gambler. It is from thisoment on, due to the Portal Stone memories, that Mat begins to live up to a whole yo potential as a Soldier and General. 

It definitely appears to me that the Portal Stone affected the Consciousness and therefore the character and actions of AT LEAST Rand, Perrin and Mat. 

13 hours ago, DojoToad said:

I don’t think so. Wouldn’t everyone with him have experienced the same?  Don’t remember everyone else becoming a blade master or whatever master through the journey. 
 

They lost some time against the rest of the world, but I always thought they were in some kind of stasis, otherwise wouldn’t Mat have died from the dagger taint?

Sort of. I think there is a plot hole of sorts here. Perrin REALLY seems to have experienced something about Rand that from this moment on changes the way he views Rand. It reads like Perrin too lived something in visions that made him say to Rand about him being the Dragon and Fighting the Dark One, "Well, it cannot be any other way." That and Perrin then goes into a withdrawn state of deep contemplation insinuating that he lived multiple lives which showed him what can happen if Rand doesn't embrace being The Dragon Reborn. 

I'm reading The Wheel of Time for the 2nd time, all 15 books from start to finish, even including the prequel book. 

I'm on the last 50 pages of book 2, The Great Hunt. 

So many things have stood out to me now that I really know the characters and plots. 

For instance, now just finishing chapter 45, Rand fights the High Lord Turak of the Seanchan. 

To get to Falme, Rand, Lord Ingtar, Mat, Perrin Hurrin and the small army of Shienarans, had to travel across the entire continent from Cairhien to Toman Head, and with a clock ticking and a health concern pressing them, they had to use a Portal Stone to basically teleport. 

The art of using Portal Stones is long lost, but we know they traverse the multiverse, at the very least exploring other Earths that could have been if one or more big decision were made instead of what is and will be on the Earth that they are from. 

Well, of corse something goes wrong when Rand tries to teleport everyone and Rand sees a ton of other possible lives he could have lived, dying at the end of each. 

It is unclear if he lives through these lives, or even portions of these lives, enough to experience them, or whether he is just glimpsing them in his mind, such as watching TV, or like remembering a very detailed memory. 

That said, it made me think! 

He had been mildly training to use the sword as his main choice of weapon. Lan, a very strong and powerful warrior had been Rand's master, training Rand in the art of sword fighting. While Rand becomes okay, he gets better by clearing his mind which he calls entering The Void and visualizing a fire 🔥 to throw all mental and emotional distractions into. This helps tremendously to boost his fighting skill level, but when he enters the Void lately, he opens himself the Male source of channeling the Light, Saidin (using Magick). When he grapples with Saidin, his skills in sword fighting improve like 10 fold; he becomes one with the sword, the fight, his surroundings, his opponent, ALL THINGS. 

This accounts for how he is keeping pace in his fight with Turak because Turak is a BLADE MASTER! 

I wonder! I think that by living through various lives while teleporting with the Portal Stone, he perhaps has gained hundreds of lifetimes worth of experience in all areas of life. At first it doesn't seem that way, but now rereading this story, it really makes sense to me. In many of the lives he saw or lived through while using the Portal Stone, he was a soldier or sword fighter of various kinds: a Queen's Guard, soldier and other things! 

If this is all true, then how he bests Turak is that he suddenly, unconsciously, instinctively and reflexively begins drawing off of skills that were put into his head by living through or just seeing the visions of all of those many lives the Portal stone showed him / made him live through! 

This to me is such a cool concept and accounts for a lot because just after this part of the series, there is a huge change in Rand. He VERY QUICKLY becomes less and less of the child he was just one book prior, and immediately begins growing into the Role of a Lord, a soldier, General and King!