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Jasnah

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  1. Although I think Moiraine was shielded, not stilled, I don’t think it’s ultimately going to matter which. She’s going to get her power back in season 2. Maybe they’re moving the tower of ghenjei up and making it a voluntary journey or whatever. Because I doubt she’ll be stilled/shielded again later on the series. 
     

    My unpopular opinion is that the EF people aren’t really that great at acting yet. It’s really visible when they are not in the larger ensemble and have to carry more of the weight. I think they have potential, but they have one tune. Rand always looks like he just found a dead cat. Perrin with his mouth hanging open and that growling thing he’s trying to do with his voice is not working. Egwene always looks like someone just hurt her feelings. Nynaeve’s eye darting and nostril flaring can only go so far. Mat was excellent, far and away the best of the EF group. Lan hasn’t really been given much to do acting wise. 
     

    Watching Moiraine be stilled/shielded was so painful to watch. It was acted so well and the hand twitching thing was heartbreaking. 

  2. 31 minutes ago, DigificWriter said:

    Every piece of documented evidence we have demonstrates that Moiraine is the WoT TV adaptation's primary main character, which in practical terms means that, barring Rosamund leaving the show, she (Moiraine) is always going to have some part to play in the narrative regardless of what may or may not have specifically happened in the novels.

    Is that confirmed? For some reason I just assumed she'd be the focus of the first season and then it would shift. Not sure why I assumed that. 

  3. I can't accept that the oath rod and oath wording were one episode plot devices. Add to that the show's addition of Min's viewing of Moiraine. (I'm cognizant of the difference between "the Amyrlin Seat" and "Siuan" in the viewing). Why add that viewing if her storyline was going to remain the same as in the books? I've seen speculation that the Eye is a trap that Moiraine is leading Rand into, and since this event is triggered by Siuan's dreams, falling into the trap would mean the Amyrlin caused her downfall. But I see this as a possible mistake on Moiraine's part, not necessarily a "downfall." Downfalls are more hardcore and tragic than that. 

     

    Moiraine's downfall in the books must be when she lost her powers to the Finn, no? And that was not caused by Siuan or an Amyrlin Seat. So I think it's safe to speculate that Moiraine's storyline will differ from the books.

     

    In the books, as we know, Moiraine is presumed dead for many books, then is rescued. I can't see this happening in the TV show. I don't think Rosamund Pike would just disappear for however many seasons it takes to cover her book absence, and then just return. I don't know anything about what is involved in producing a TV show, but I'd imagine that trying to hold an actress for a few years offscreen (or shoehorning her in for years via flashbacks) is something that would be avoided if possible. There's a possibility that she'll just die and never come back, but....I know I'm biased because Moiraine has been my favorite character from jump, but Pike is carrying the show, I think. The other actors are going a great job making me enjoy characters that I wasn't sold on in the books, but I don't think any of them have the screen presence that Pike does. Voluntarily removing her from the show would be a foolish idea, IMO. Anyway...

     

    So, my thoughts:

    1. The Finn thing is included, but her experience there is shown parallel to the show's events and her rescue is moved up, shortening her absence. But, this still doesn't figure in an Amyrlin causing her downfall. I guess it could be worked in somehow, but I have no ideas at the moment. I'd like to hear other's thoughts on how that could fit.

     

    2. Siuan calls Moiraine home shortly before, or during, her deposition, and Moiraine takes the fall with Siuan. It's possible that the oath was a one episode throw-away, but it seems too intentional for me to discount. There are a myriad other ways to show the pain of their separation, but they chose this way. Moiraine's book death excuses her from the main action for. bit, so other than lining up Moiraine's book death with Siuan's deposition, this would require minimal main storyline disruption. In a way, Moiraine could take the place of Leanne, who does not have a relationship with anyone in the show so far, and who the non-book viewers are totally ignorant of anyway. (I like Leanne in the books, but we need to be practical here) In this way, Moiraine's downfall could be attributed to either Siuan or whoever the show puts in the Seat after Siuan, thus fulfilling Min's viewing. If they want Moiraine's powers to be reduced/removed in the show, this is how they could do it. From there, it wouldn't be difficult to get Moiraine back to Rand somehow. They could even presume her dead for some of this time. 

     

    3. Moiraine is not very affected by the Amyrlin in the books, whether the Amyrlin is Siuan or someone else. It's not like Moiraine was ever obeying Elaida. Moiraine gives no craps about the Amyrlin. And in the books, Moiraine has limited care for Siuan as Amyrlin either, to be honest. So there must be a reason to bring up the Amyrlin so soon after episode 6, especially since much of Moiraine's book storyline happens independently of the Amyrlin or the Tower. So, I'd have to assume that the Amyrlin/Siuan still matters in the show.

     

    4. I mean, is the Thom thing going to happen in the show? Really? The optics of two characters being "gay for the stay" until the right man shows up is such a horrible thing that I hope is becoming part of the past. It struck me as wrong when I read the series, and seeing it on screen in 2021 would be a gut punch. Sure, it *could* happen, but should it? Even if they keep the Finn and Thom rescue, that doesn't mean Thom and Moiraine have to be a thing. Mat and Moiraine aren't a thing and he gave up a whole eye. That's gotta be worth something. 

     

    I have a hard time believing that we've seen the last of Moiraine/Siuan collaborations. Even those who are not fans of the portrayal of their relationship in the show don't deny the chemistry of their characters when they're together ("together" meaning sharing the screen), and the marvelous acting. Not to see more would be a shame. Doing that for one episode in season 1 would be so cruel.

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