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  1. Perrin/Faile will rule the Two Rivers and Faile/Perrin will rule Salaea, but it won't be new joint nation. Perrin has sworn fealty to Andor for the Two Rivers, but it's largely autonomous. Perrin will do what he can to protect that autonomy, but he won't break with Andor unless Elayne forces that extreme action on him. I don't see Perrin doing any sort of direct rule over Ghealdan, although some degree of influence and interaction is likely.
  2. New Spring had a lot of illogical stuff that seemed designed to "foreshadow" things that happened 20 years later in real time, but had already happened in the books. I suppose that is a danger with any prequel but New Spring felt more like fanfiction than an actual Jordan written WoT book. The style seemed even less Jordanesque than the Sanderson WoT books.
  3. Rand definitely could have appointed Elayne ruler of Andor as easily as he appointed rulers in Cairhien and Tear (and would have in Illian had they not chosen to make him King instead). Elayne *choose* civil war rather than being "gifted" the throne by Rand. It was simply her ego that lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths and delayed preparation for the Last Battle (not to mention an extremely long and pointless plot line). The theoretical 200,000 man Andor army did not exist and would never have been allowed to form if they tried to oust the Dragon Reborn or his appointed ruler. Even th
  4. The discussion of who would win a battle between Perrin and Elayne's army is irrevelant because neither of them had any desire to fight that battle. Both knew the more important issue was getting their armies to Rand to fight the Last Battle. Basically Perrin wanted the Two Rivers to maintain the *exact same relationship to Andor that had existed for several hundred years* with the exception that he would now be it's lord...primarily to ensure that Andor didn't try to infringe on the status quo. Elayne wanted him to swear fealty in exchange for formalizing that lordship. The only real obsta
  5. I think Jordan had good intentions of writing strong woman characters and he did have some success there. Many of the most admirable characters are women. Unfortunately his personal experience and/or generational bias apparently resulted in him thinking being a nagging harridan is part and parcel of being a strong woman. That is not surprising since it remains a sadly persistent view of strong women today (at least in america). It doesn't ruin the books, but it does make it harder to like many of the female characters. That said, I just reread the first book and, while the first time throug
  6. Childish of HER? The man she loves is planning to run off to a completely pointless death and she is the childish one? She accepted that she couldn't deny him his quest, but she transformed it from a suicide to something worthwhile. I didn't like Nynaeve in the early books, but she developed into perhaps the most admirable person in the story. Her love and loyalty, not just to Lan but to Rand was inspiring.
  7. In the early books the spanking was not a major theme. There would be no reason to show it on screen. In fact the most common switching theme early on is actually Nynaeve talking about having switched the boys back in Two Rivers, so its really not a feminist issue. What they might choose to portray later (assuming the show does well enough for there to be a later) probably depends on the demographics of the audience. If it has lots of young fans then the sex and spanking will be minimized. If it develops an older audience then they will be more prominent.
  8. Nynaeve's braid is so much a part of her character I would be very disappointed if she doesn't have one in the series. Of course, any fan of the books is going to have a lot to be disappointed in. It would be impossible to do it for TV without cutting lots of story lines and some characters and they don't appear overly concerned with casting to conform to book appearance. Still this would have been an easy thing to get right.
  9. There are some rather childish story lines in WoT, but the world building and character development is quite sophisticated. I think it can captivate both the YA market and the more mature reader in very different ways. Have not read Malazan to have any basis for comparison between the two series
  10. My point is that Perrin didn't take an excessively long time to resolve the rescue, Jordan did. Faile was a prisoner for 51 days and the entire interlude from leaving Cairhien to arriving in Caemlyn was only two months out of a three year story. It IS true that Perrin is far more introspective than Mat and I can understand why readers prefer the more action based Mat to the deep thinking of Perrin, but there is room for more than one type of person in the stories. For me Mat was more fun, but Perrin was more real.
  11. Mat was the most fun. Perrin the most relatable. Nynaeve the one who grew on me the most. Rand was the most important, but liking him was difficult at times. Faile is a character I loved in the books and probably love more now since joining this site and feeling the need to defend her against her many critics :). Same for Cadsuane on a smaller scale. Lan I respected most of the story, liked some of it, was disgsuted by when he decided to make his pointless suicide run (I loved the scene when Angelmar points out how selfish Lan's suicidal tendencies are, nobody had ever had the courage t
  12. I know most readers consider Perrin's rescue of Faile from the Shaido to be drawn out, boring and pointless. Many turned against Perrin (and Faile if they didn't already hate her previously) because of it. I certainly understand why people felt/feel that way since Jordan dragged it out over 4 books and many years. The pacing was frustrating even reading it after the series was complete, but it must have been infuriating for people who waited years between books only to see nothing resolved in the next one. That was Jordan's failure not Perrin's though. For Perrin the entire plotline from
  13. Jordan got lost in a world of his own making. I kind of doubt the story would have ever finished if he had lived because he would have just kept adding characters and story lines that didn't really move the main plot forward. It was interesting in its way, but had to be extremely frustrating for readers who waited years between books only to discover the next book didn't resolve anything. It was mildly irritating to me, reading it after the series was finished, but I imagine it was infuriating to people who were reading it as it progressed. I think most of the Perrin-Faile hate is displa
  14. None really. I can't say I had any emotional investment in any Aes Sedai who turned out to be Black Ajah other than the subject of the thread. I didn't like that many AS in the first place.
  15. She was prepared to kill Cadsuane *if she thought Cads was a threat to the Dragon Reborn* not to serve the Dark One. And she had poison prepared so that wouldn't violate the Three Oaths (which only restrict killing with the One Power. That wasn't a hint she was BA, quite the opposite. It showed she was committed to seeing the DR succeed and prepared to be ruthless in his defense. Fortunately Cads answer satisfied her that she was also committed to the DR.
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