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  1. Along the lines of what Sabio said about experimenting with weaves, the AS were also super timid about studying ter'angreal. So many were "last studied by Corianin Nedeal" or whoever that you get the impression that she was the only one who even tried. We did not get much payoff in AMoL for all the talk in many earlier books of Elayne copying objects of the One Power and Aviendha identifying uses of such objects. The little dagger that made Rand invisible to the Dark One was useful, I guess, but I don't remember too much else. At least Eg put Vora's sa'angreal to good use.
  2. Sabio, yeah I hear ya, and this is part of what makes it an unpopular opinion (as were requested by the OP). Agree that the Children, especially the Questioners, regularly do things that the Shadow would, in the name of the Light (so does Rand, the great hero of the Light, down to channeling the true power!). But having seen Niall and Geofram Bornhald's thoughts in the books, I cannot say that they are wholly corrupt or Nazi-like. Perhaps too inflexible, and certainly too accepting of creepy zealots like Byar and Asunawa and rapey morons like Valda. But they served Randland admirably in the Aiel War and made life hell for Darkfriends in the years since. Also, recall that their main claims actually turn out to be eerily accurate: that the Tar Valon witches are Darkfriends and attempting to Break the World again. Thanks to Verin we know that a staggering one fourth of all AS are actively Black Ajah, and many wind up alongside Demandred and M'Hael at the Last Battle, wielding balefire etc. Combine this with the fact that the Seanchan show up with their own "Aes Sedai" using the one power as a weapon against the masses, and the Children seem downright prescient. Also, they are one of the only groups that seems to at least consider the thoughts/fears/concerns of regular people (normies/"muggles"). This resonates with me because I lack magical powers. ?
  3. So we know that the Seanchan are big on omens. And by the time the battle at Falme happened, at least some Seekers for the Truth were in Randland to observe what happened with the Forerunners on Toman Head. Would not the fact that Artur Hawkwing himself came down from the heavens and fought the Seanchan have been reported to the Court of the Empress back in Seandar? Did Anath suppress this somehow? It seems that Hawkwing's active opposition to the Seanchan invasion of Randland would rank as the very worst omen in history, no? Also, some of the Seekers must have witnessed Rand battling Ishamael in the skies above Falme. Same questions as above for the import of such an omen, and how word of it was received by the Empress. High Lord Turak, a blademaster, being bested in a duel by a young sheepherder less than one year of age (in Borderlander swordsman parlance) could not have been a great omen either. I guess what I am getting at is why did the Seanchan persist with the Return after the Forerunners encountered such seemingly negative omens? Given that we know they rely heavily on omens, and have Seekers looking for the Truth at all times? My provisional answer to my own questions is that Anath somehow suppressed/perverted the reports to the Empress that the Seekers should have made.
  4. Yeah I don't think it was necessarily a simple matter of number of pages or chapters that earned the Faile Capture & Rescue the "plotline of doom" moniker. I think it was more to do with simply how boring and repetitive it was. Also, the opportunity cost: Perrin and his armies could actually have done something interesting over the course of those 3 or 4 books. After a certain point, I think many of us were like "we get it, Perrin! Faile means everything. Nothing else matters!" Because he just kept on thinking/saying stuff like that like an endless loop. Meanwhile, all the stuff going on in the Shaido camp made for boredom too. For me, at least. The prophesied romance = Mat and Fortuona? Funny hat man and woman who fell down in status = Juilin and Amathera? Tallanvor and Morgase? For me, the Andoran succession plotline was even more of a tiresome slog than Faile's capture & rescue. One of the reasons Crossroads remains a difficult re-read for me. It managed to make Elayne and Birgitte boring and they were not boring in the first 6 or 7 books. How many baths can one young woman take? How many mirrored standlamps can one woman walk past? How many reports can Master Norry dryly relate? How much goat's milk until one young woman's stomach or bladder bursts? RAFO, friends, RAFO.
  5. Sunrose, in Faile's defense I will remind you how very young she is (and Perrin for that matter). A powerful romantic love at that age can indeed push other priorities out of the way, at least for some time. Recall, too, that she does much to educate and encourage him as to his responsibilities to his soldiers and followers. And when Rand pulls at Perrin with his ta'veren-ness, she may not be thrilled but she understands that Perrin needs to go to Rand.
  6. Here are a couple of mine which have met with opposition or outright scorn over the yrs: The Whitecloaks have 100% of my sympathy, in light of the Breaking. The fact that something like 25% of the "present day" Tar Valon witches are Black Ajah, and the rest play slippery word games with their Oaths, justifies essentially everything the 'Cloaks have been saying. The Questioners, however, cross the line into forcing confessions too often. The Aiel are racist oathbreakers. Their hatred of all of Cairhien based on the actions of one arrogant fool (Laman) is unjustified, especially in light of the years of water-sharing. Couladin's and Sevanna's actions (massacres and slavery of "wetlanders") are typical of this savage race. They broke their oath to the ancient Aes Sedai and also broke their Oath to follow the Way of the Leaf. More recently, many of them (Shaido and Brotherless) broke their obligations to Rand as People of the Dragon. They ceaselessly prate of honor but are honorless dogs in practice. Yet they have the nerve to call all Cairhienin oathbreakers.
  7. Spoilers for aMoL below: Did Rand sing "The Song" when shielded by Tuon's damane in Ebou Dar? I hope so, and hope he bumps in to some Tuatha'an on his travels and sings it for/with them. My understanding is that Sanderson has said that there is no such Song or that it has been lost, but I like to think Rand sang it with Fortuona and Mat and friends there when he made the peach trees blossom.
  8. I love a good theory, but I think the Aiel are just a tall race/subpopulation of humans who tend to have light eye coloring and reddish/sunny hair color. As for Treebrothers, this is what Ogier were commonly called in the AoL. Note that Selene (Lanfear) called Loial "alantin" which means "Brother," shorthand for tia avende alantin, which means "Brother to Trees." I do find it interesting that, as far as I can recall, the tuatha'an (Tinkers) are not described as being particularly tall or light-eyed or reddish of hair. My guess is that over the last 3,000 years or so, the Tinkers have mixed quite a bit with other Randlanders (they are known for attracting new adherents from villages that they pass by). I hope that in his future travels, post-AMoL Rand sings for/with the Tinkers and makes things grow with them.
  9. Spoilers for end of series below: Is there a conventional wisdom regarding why Egwene wielding Vora's sa'angreal was able to overpower and defeat M'Hael wielding Sakarnen? My best guess is that Egwene overdrew on saidar due to the lack of a buffer on Vora's sa'angreal amd that this made the difference in this titanic duel. she also had "dead warder rage" and simple righteousness on her side. I also consider it possible that Egwene outclasses M'Hael in terms of deftness/skill. I reckon his mastery is more narrowly tailored in destructive directions. Balefire is pretty fierce, though.
  10. I did have a different name back then but was unable to remember it. Thanks and yes, I am enjoying the re-read. It is interesting how I have warmed to certain characters and grown cool(er) towards others. I am definitely more a fan of Cadsuane and Moridin these days and less enthusiastic about Perrin (Faile!)and midseries Rand (Ilyena!). Also I really appreciate post-TGS (veins of gold) Rand more now. I started out high on Nynaeve and just get higher on her. One of my all-time favorite characters from fiction.
  11. Certain things about Faile, and some of her actions, bug me. Overall, however, I am fine with her and I think she is good for Perrin. But yeah, she started giving him "full-armed slaps" a bit too frequently for my tastes for a while there. I don't like domestic violence no matter which direction it flows. It is a matter of simple human respect and I don't care "how it's done in Saldaea." Perrin should not have responded physically. She also did seem to seriously retard/delay Perrin's integration with his wolfbrother side and with other wolves and the Wolf Dream / T'a 'R. Instead of mastering his skills in the Wolf Dream he spent a lot of time "learning" how to lord his new lordly status over his erstwhile neighbors and hunting buddies, and how to keep wifey happy. I think she is a good wife and I appreciate how she looks after his interests whether he is aware she is doing so or not. The plotline of doom (Faile's capture by the Shaido and eventual rescue) was awful but so was the Andoran succession and I still like Elayne and Dyelin. So I guess I blame RJ more than I blame the characters when plotlines drag.
  12. That EotW cover made Jordan and Tor a ton of $$
  13. Why do so many in the fandom (includint me) give the Aiel a pass on many troubling behaviors whereas the Seanchan are more consistently held to account for theirs? My theory is that it boils down to charismatic Aiel characters like Rhuarc and Gaul and (once she grew up a bit) Aviendha and Bain and Chiad. The da'covale thing is just horrible. The damane thing is bad, but I can see the impulse to want to control wild, terrifying, magical powers and harness them for the Empire. What is also horrible, at least to me, is this attitude on the part of the Aiel that Cairhienin are essentially subhuman or even nonhuman. All because one vainglorious moron chopped down the Tree. Do Couladin's actions mean that all other Aiel are contemptible and lack honor? Of course not. And the Aiel are the last people who should moan about "oathbreakers" given that they broke their oath to the Aes Sedai and broke with the Way of the Leaf too. There are troubling behaviors among various other peoples in the books. According to Elayne, for instance, thieves who are caught stealing in Andor a few times get a humiliating thief mark tattooed on their face. I am just always struck by how the readers (self included) seem to correctly diagnose the more unpalatable aspects of Seanchan behavior but have a blind spot when it comes to the Aiel. The Shaido, like it or not, are Aiel, and they resorted to enslaving people and routine massacres once they crossed the Dragonwall.
  14. I have wondered the same about the al'Meara family. I recall that Tam and Rand were considered rare in the Two Rivers for being 2 men living alone on a farm.
  15. Just finished Book One. I agree with many that it was the Creator speaking in ALL CAPS before Rand charged after Ishamael. My theory as to the meaning of "IT IS NOT HERE" is that the "IT" simply refers to Ishamael/Ba'alzamon. I think it reasonable, or at least plausible for the purposes of my theory, for the Creator to view Ishy as no longer a human being and instead as some horrible, twisted, forsaken thing which it is most appropriate to refer to as "IT" rather than "HE." Still quite ambiguous, of course, anf open to many interpretations, but that is my take on it.
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