7 minutes ago, solarz said:

He is the force of change and destruction, of progress and renewal.

So he's the fungal kingdom of the pattern. No wonder he's causing food and drink to spoil and vermin to thrive.

8 minutes ago, solarz said:

A question we've never asked: why did the Aes Sedai of the Age of Legends wanted to tap into the True Power? Was not the One Power enough? Why did they feel the need to potentially destabilize the very fabric of reality in order to tap into a new source of Power? I think that question reflects something that was fundamentally wrong with the society of the Age of Legends: a calcification of progress, a dearth of meaningful change. They desired desperately, needed even, something new to happen, and were willing to take great risks for change to happen.

Energy efficiency, probably. Or curiosity. As I recall, Robert Jordan talked at length about how there would be no interest in setting novels during the AoL because it was this idyllic, peaceful, beatific, utopian world. They literally never knew what a sword was til they opened the bore. Nobody was ever dissatisfied with anything up til they let out the DO. So, what was to prevent them from trying to further improve their lives?

I figure opening the bore is their Large Hadron Collider, only gone horribly wrong.

On 3/14/2018 at 9:36 AM, Sabio said:

Also here is a link  **SPOLIERS in it** Which answers one of your questions about if Mazrim Taim ends up having been Demandred
https://dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96065-bits-from-rjs-notes/

It really interesting, a good read and interesting posts.  But only when you really wish to know as it comes from RJ's notes.  I am only including the link because I found it really interesting to sort of see behind the scenes about this.

Nice, thanks for sharing. I guess I should hold off on clicking until I'm finished with Memory of Light, though?

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Well some of your questions will be answered in later books.  But for the most part if you look at all the other Forsaken up until where you are now in the series.  Who would you trust to be Nae'blis out of all of them?

Potentially Demandred? He's the only one that has any mystery left to him and he's really not gone and mucked anything up yet that we're aware of. Plus, he's playing his cards so close to the chest it seems least likely that anyone would be able to so much as find him (let alone wreck him) without a massive burst of ta'veren luck.

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If he destroys the pattern, what's left there.  Plus the fact that he reset Ishmael after he died leads me to believe that he wouldn't have wanted a complete victory any more than the Light would have.

Unless the DO was planning on creating a new pattern; that would only be speculation on my part, though, and kinda out of sync with everything seen in the Age of Legends and later on in the Third Age. It seems like his plan is to warp all of the existing pattern into following his will, though he's a little heavy handed so it causes things like ripples in the pattern, whole long-dead cities disappearing, the dead walking...

I've only read to The Gathering Storm, so please -- NO SPOILERS PAST THE END OF KNIFE OF DREAMS!!

The Forsaken infighting has been one of the most engrossing subplots thus far in my eyes, mostly because we by necessity only see it in brief glimpses or by the shadows that it casts. Though sometimes the Forsaken strike me as incompetent peacocks who do nothing but sip punch/mulled wine/brandy and sneer while muttering "so-called Aes Sedai" and chopping naked people in half with gateways to annoy Graendal, at other times they're so remarkably good at their jobs that I can't understand how anyone on the side of the Light has a chance (Rahvin's utter domination of Caemlyn, Sammael taking charge of Illian, Semirhage managing to cause massive civil unrest and murder an entire royal family off camera in Seanchan, everything that Lanfear does prior to TFoH). I had thought, up until aCoS (?) that the position of Nae'blis was wholly up for grabs, and that any remaining Forsaken (except maybe Graendal because what the blazes has she ever done besides jiggle at people and tag along with Sammael on his day trips to Kinslayer's Dagger) had a solid chance at snagging it.

Then the DO pulls Moridin out of his back pocket and goes, "nah, never mind. This guy? He's the guy."

What? Really? The reincarnation of Ishamael is the one who we're going to go with?

Let's run through Ishamael's accomplishments in the series prior to his death:

TEotW: he gives Rand and co. some bad dreams and utterly messes up at the Eye of the World.

tGH: he gives Rand and co. some bad dreams and gets chopped up by a farm boy who's still trying to figure out how to swordfight.

tDR: he gives Rand and co. some bad dreams and gets singlehandedly wasted by a larval Dragon Reborn when his back-up got punk'd by Moiraine.

I know I'm skipping over everything else Ishamael did - causing Artur Hawkwing's downfall, leading the Trollocs, influencing every major evil event from the Breaking up through when all of the other Forsaken were freed [also worth noting Ishamael only did all of that because the rest of the Forsaken couldn't] - but is that enough to make up for his nonstop failure throughout the first few books? We see with Lanfear/Cyndane/Moghedien/Semirhage/Asmodean that it's uncommon for the DO to reward failure, or even give more than a passive second chance (Osan'gar and Aran'gar made sense to me in their role as undercover Forsaken agents - not power players as far as Nae'blis goes). Furthermore, crazy Moridin occasionally forgets that he isn't the DO himself! I can't imagine the DO is fond of that!

What about a results-oriented approach? Perhaps the DO has a longer-term plan. Let's take a look at what Moridin was able to accomplish in his first five books serving in the role of Nae'blis:

aCoS: Made Moghedien his creepy soul-slave. Saved Rand's life during the Shadar Logoth fight, while also apparently mind-merging with him somehow.

tPoD: Told the Forsaken not to murder Rand. Made Cyndane/Lanfear his creepy soul-slave.

WH: Sent the rest of the Forsaken to stop Rand from cleansing Saidin. Failed at that.

CoT: Footage not found

KoD: Told the rest of the Forsaken again not to murder Rand, but to try to murder either Mat or Perrin. Also failed at that. Badly.

What.

So, what gives? Why build up so much Nae'blis plotting and Forsaken infighting for Shaidar Haran to just drop by tel'aran'rhiod and go, "hey, sorry, Moridin's Nae'blis, which was sort of the plan from when we started, so... ta ta". Might it be to foment further plotting? I doubt it. Might it be because of Ishamael / Moridin's logic behind turning to the shadow? We know that the rest of the Forsaken joined up either on account of selfish reasons or because they got mad at the Light (what the heck Demandred/Lanfear); Moridin/Ishy turned because of his interpretation of how the cyclical nature of life and the wheel would eventually guarantee a loss by the Light and a victory by the Dark. Maybe it was this pure loyalty that drew the DO to choose Ishy/Moridin to be Nae'blis?

PS I am aware that this probably will be answered in later books; I just wanted to toss these thoughts out there and see what others thought.

PPS y'all if Mazrim Taim ends up having been Demandred this whole time I am going to flip my lid. There are so many reasons Taim shouldn't be Demandred, however BS's description in the prologue of tGS as being a dark-haied guy with an ultra-hooked nose is worrying to me. Also the fact that Taim closed out KoD's epilogue saying "let the lord of chaos rule", a phrase that had been coined in LoC by DEMANDRED... 

PPPS Remember Be'lal? I don't.

http://sites.ugcs.caltech.edu/~karlh/cgi-bin/wot.cgi

This chronological spoiler-free character glossary has been saving my life every six pages in my first readthrough.

Hi everyone!

Took me long enough, but I finally stumbled onto Dragonmount! It'll be nice to finally have people to discuss the series with...

I am currently about 200 pages into Crossroads of Twilight. I sped through Eye of the World through The Fires of Heaven in about six months before stalling out halfway through Lord of Chaos and leaving the series for three years. I think I was scared of the "slump". The books sat on my shelf for all that time collecting dust until, in September, I made a spreadsheet of "books I own and have yet to read" and decided to knock WoT off of the massive "to read" pile I had sitting around. Four months later, I've read four of five "slow" books, and have yet to really notice much of a slowdown... though I understand CoT is widely considered the slowest.

Glad I finally found this place!