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Kamen Marin

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  1. In practice you're probably right, but you could argue Talents. Androl can barely channel, for instance. There's some balance between a Talent of traveling and the raw power needed for it. Ok, lets say that Annoura had the Travel talent.. than why she got burned out? something is not fitting. And one more thing why we have so much information in the Companion about the rebel Aes Sedai sent to the Tower? Is there was a big plan about them?
  2. For m one of the most interesting things is how Jezrail was able to cut from the source Katerine. How strong has to be Jezrail? Nynaeve couldn't cut Elayne when Nynaeve was already on 4(+10) and Elayne somewhere around 11(+2) at CoS...Another thing is why Pevara didn't find strange the beahvior of Javindhra who is 11 levels bellow her, when she told her that she thinks to leave the Black Tower. Ok so Javindhra was already Turned, her behavior is not so strange , but why Pevara didn't think about that? How was possible for Annoura to Travel at all at 33(old 21) when we know that the limit is somewhere around 22-21(old 10-9) level.... The only explanation is that Brandon didn't understand the Power levels.....
  3. Possible, but why we don't know nothing about that? If there is such a thing why RJ/BS didn't used? I believe that RJ change his mind about some things in progress of working...It's a normal thing, but his first ideas are not the canon , the ideas that made it to the books are! Something like Taimandred idea, just an idea that is nothing more than that...so for me post like "Taim is Demandred and the real killer of Asmodean" are just wishes, not truth....
  4. Hello guys, this is a complete list of every Aes Sedai in WOT, everything that we know about them, feel free to change everything that doesn't sounds OK for you! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NmkcuDI05xnqWBQRvcU9f4v7OcAtEh5EHaiQtD6YCiE/edit#gid=0
  5. Why I can't see the preview of the Companion on Amazon, I see just the first 50 pages.....
  6. We are all think that the Dream is about the Forsaken, right? So I red that a lot of people think that the tower, that is higher than the others is Ishamael/Moridin . But we all know that the Dreams are about what may happen not about what happened... What if the higher tower is Mesaana? She is closer to destruction after Shadar Logoth , but if she succeed in the White Tower she will be higher than the others...Its just regular "what if"...It will be interesting to hear what you think. PS : I'm sorry for my English.
  7. The Amazon preview is of the final book. But Seaine herself explains why she doesn't feel comfortable standing up to Saerin. They are doing something that is illegal, and thus outside of the Hall's authority. So the fact that Sitters did not expect deference from other Sitters was set aside, since they couldn't very well claim Sitter's precedence in something like this. As for Pevara and Javindhra, they were about Ajah business. Sure, Pevara was placed at the head of the expedition, but it isn't like she, Tarna and Javindhra were stripped of their positions. Nor was what they were doind against any law. So Pevara likely continued to extend the courtesy due to Javindhra as a Sitter, even though she was so much stronger. There is some logic :) But I feel that 11 levels are enough to listen what the higher have to say even for ordering.. It is explicitly stated that what your strength is doesn't matter once you have a position of authority like Sitter granted to you. For instance, Moiraine notes that Duhara would have to obey her orders based on strength, but when she was Keeper that didn't matter one bit. Do you have skype brother? I'm looking for somebody with who we can speak about the books. But anybody thinking around :) Mine is marty_zyb
  8. The Amazon preview is of the final book. But Seaine herself explains why she doesn't feel comfortable standing up to Saerin. They are doing something that is illegal, and thus outside of the Hall's authority. So the fact that Sitters did not expect deference from other Sitters was set aside, since they couldn't very well claim Sitter's precedence in something like this. As for Pevara and Javindhra, they were about Ajah business. Sure, Pevara was placed at the head of the expedition, but it isn't like she, Tarna and Javindhra were stripped of their positions. Nor was what they were doind against any law. So Pevara likely continued to extend the courtesy due to Javindhra as a Sitter, even though she was so much stronger. There is some logic :) But I feel that 11 levels are enough to listen what the higher have to say even for ordering..
  9. Ok, but look how Seaine is feeling about confront Saerin.All of the time she is thinking about the One Power.... I guess there are not 11 levels between them. Pevara is a Sitter too. Javindhra and Pevara are both Red Sitters. To act like that is really strange. Thank you about providing the List. Just it contradict the facts in the books...Is it possible this List to be early version of the real one?
  10. Why nobody is speaking about that? What about the crazy One Power levels that was published by someone? Cadsuane stronger than Egwene? Annoura not strong enough to Travel? Mesanna stronger than Nynaeve? Semirhage as strong as Lanfear? Nynaeve stronger than just one female Forsaken - Moghedien, when Jordan told us that she is in the middle of the female Forsakens? Elayne stronger than Viendre, when there is a quote by herself that Viendre is stronger? Theodrin three levels above Faolain (this is the one that I could accept, but I don't feel it right)? The male are not such a surprise, may be because there is not so much abut their power in the books. But Rahvin as strong as Ishamael and Rand is crazy.How is that possible?!?!? If Rand at book 5 is X strong, and Rahvin is also X strong , than how is possible Rand to feel that Sammael is X strong too some months later? This List says clearly that if Rand and Rahvin are X, Sammael should be X-1. Than how Rand is stronger in book 5 than himself in book 7?!?!?!? I can accept Be'laal being weakest, it doesn't contradict the story at all, but everything else.... oh c'mon.... I see one big flow on this list Jordan told us that he made this list to keep track of the Aes Sedai characters but, there are missing key players in that. One of the few really straight mention of power differences is in the scene where Merana is thinking about Verin and Alanna, so I assume that there have to be at last place for this three characters on his list, but there is NO MENTION OF VERIN level on the list. What about Sareitha we know that she is stronger than Careane, weaker that Adelese and Vandene but she is not in the list too. So how is possible Jordan to say that this list is to keeping track of the chanelers than not mention in it two of the characters for whom is pretty clear where they stand. The same with Sheriam. We know that she is the Strongest at Salidar before Romanda and Lelain come... What about Javindhra who said to Pevara that she will not go out of the Black Tower no matter what Pevara say. Pevara is putted on charge by their Highest and she is 11 (yes eleven) levels above Javindhra?!?!?! If that was true no matter how odd is going everything in the Black Tower, Pevara should make a note about the behavior of Javindhra. 11 levels?!?!? In that list Bera is just 3 levels above Merana , but we all saw what happened at LoC. We saw what Merana was thinking, and how Bera and Kiruna react to her speaking. And Nime the Windfinder that is "almost as strong than Raynin" at last in the books. In the List she is 3 levels down. Than why nobody calls Merana "almost as strong as Bera"? What about Andaya? One level under Vandene and Adelese? And a Sitter? Speaking no mater who is in the room? No defer to anyone? Nobody order her... strange, don't you think? And Covarla three levels above her, the same Covarla who "can not lead anybody"... So the question is IS THAT LIST REAL? OR IT IS MADE BY SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO MAKE A FUSS? So the question is IS THAT LIST REAL? OR IT IS MADE BY SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO MAKE A FUSS?
  11. Some of those are on the same level like Egweene and Aviendha, but i believe Egweene is just a hair stronger. I think that Nynaeve is stronger than Talaan even by a hair too. We don't have a single quote that Talaan is stronger. It is always "come closer" or " there is almost no difference" or 'almost as strong as Nynaeve"...
  12. This is how I see the ranking from strongest to weakest. Its not based on 21 levels or something. Just the first in the line is stronger than the second and goes on like that... Female: Lanfear/Alivia/Cyndane/Graendal/Sharina/Someryn(?)/Nynaeve/Semirhage/Talaan/Mesaana/Moghedien/Tamela/Viendre/Egweene/Elayne/ Aviendha/Bode/Cadsuan/Nikola/Kerene/Meylin/ Male: Rand(LTT)/Ishamael(Moridin)/Aginor/Demandred/Sammael/Rahvin/Logain/Taim/Balthamel/Be'laal/Asmodean
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