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  1. Nothing. I was replying directly to the 2nd part of the question there. ____________________________________ Well, one man's 'stinking miasam', can be another man's pleasure. But as I mentioned earlier, there is quite a bit of absolute bizarre mistakes that I noticed in Perrin's section(his goofball trial being one example, along with his powwow with Elayne). Also, is there not quite a bit of fan homage in these versions too? _________________________________________ Remember, there were ton of holes in the notes that BS had to fill in. I think you have to cut him some slack on that one. You spend 15 years theorizing on something, fall in love with it, and then you're in control of creating it. It could have been the best option available, or maybe he couldn't find a better one. I still believe that Rand was going to ride off on Bela in the epilogue before they decided to kill her off. However, who knows if that is correct or not... I definitely agree about giving BS some slack. Agree wholeheartedly! I really feel that his writing here was 'possibly' rushed by the publisher. I remember one of Jordan's quotes where he stated that he sometimes ignored his publisher's pressure to hurry up. BS certainly would not be able to do that like Jordan did, I would think. Also, regarding Jordan's many notes, BS has stated that Perrin's story in the last three was almost entirely created by him, as Jordan left practically nothing involving Perrin. He mentioned that the only thing written by Jordan, was the very beginning when they were STILL in Malden! Nothing after that! The only instructions regarding Perrin's story line was that he was to be a King at the very end. That's it. However, I would like to give BS HUGE props for two of Perrin's scenes that he created which are related: Perrin's ability of learning the 'Wolf Dream' due to his relationship with his wife(The Strength of This Place) and due to her also, his ability to defeat Lanfear's Compulsion at the LB's final. Well done.
  2. Well, the bunch from the Dragon Reborn only had three other witnesses: Gaul, Lan and Faile; good guys! And they sure are NOT going to spill the beans about it, so that incident will not keep chasing/haunting him. The two that he wasted from tEotW, had other Whitecloak witnesses that would not leave him alone, as we saw. 'That', was what was bothering him. As for his multi book character development, remember, it's relative to the length of the story also. While the first two books take place in one year, the next eleven books span about one year too. Also, keep in mind that Perrin's own story only takes place in bits and pieces of all those books. Some of those books he only has a few chapters in them. There are dozens and dozens of other plots beside his going on. Since Perrin's main theme is his passivity, this seems to drag along with all those other stories. If Jordan managed to end the series in, lets say....six books, there would be bitching and moaning about that too. Seeing that this series does span soooo many books, the author needs to make sure that the character ends up having his story line stay interesting along with it((THIS is where Faile comes in, including her kidnapping)). When I was first going through this long story, I was quite a bit perturbed that one of my favorite characters(Perrin) was not running around all over the place kicking ass with his wolf buddies. However, I now really have no problem with it, as Matt and Rand in the meantime are traveling around doing their Conan and He-Man impersonations. So, the reason it took Perrin 13 books to develop, is because, the story spans 14 books. I am glad that Jordan decided to go a much different route for Perrin then the other two TR lads, as I feel that it would have been a bit redundant to have him follow the same type of paths. His story is certainly not perfect, and I do have a couple hair pulling moments while reading it, but IMO I feel that Jordan did a pretty good job with him from beginning to end. My most difficult time that I have with him, is the first book and a half of the BS versions.
  3. Oh my! That is one of my favorite plots from the series, and the main reason that tFoH is my number two favorite book. IMO, I feel that Jordan is in top form here. Specially his great humor. This is the part in the story where Nynaeve became one of my favorite characters. She is an absolute riot here; her being chased around the cook fire by Valan Luca being one of many examples. Just thinking of this part of the story being edited down gives me the ]]]shakes[[[. I wouldn't change a thing here. Regardless of who finished the books though there was going to be "different versions of the characters" that was always going to be unavoidable because of the change in authors. I think much of the mistakes though could have been avoided if they just took their time instead of rushing the books out. However, I really hated the way that Brandon used the gateways in the novels. It felt like a shortcut. I feel that this is most likely what happened here. I really feel that these last three were rushed without giving them proper examination for errors. Plus some of BS also. But as I mentioned earlier, there is quite a bit of absolute bizarre mistakes that I noticed in Perrin's section(his goofball trial being one example, along with his powwow with Elayne). Also, is there not quite a bit of fan homage in these versions too?
  4. WOW! I thought that I was the ONLY one with these views. My two very favorite characters. (high five) And to add to your Faile point, I love this quote about her from the Dragon Reborn: "Perrin, and Faile. A fierce woman, falcon by name and nature. Had she really attached herself to Colavaere just to gather evidence? She would try to protect Perrin if the Dragon Reborn fell. Protect him from the Dragon Reborn, should she decide it necessary; her loyalties were to Perrin, but she would decide for herself how to meet them. Faile was no woman to do meekly as her husband told her, if such a woman existed." You certainly can't say the same thing about the Tuon/Matt relationship.
  5. . MB: What exactly is this omnibus? Is it the complete WoT in eBook form? I just finished my first reread of the series about a week ago and was going to give the audio versions a try. Unfortunately, I only live about 10 minutes from work(never thought that you would ever hear that, did you?), so listening to it in my car is unlikely.
  6. . I certainly am not a fan of Elayne either in the last few books. Never got to hate though. However, one moment in particular is when she looked liked a foolish ass in that round table she had with Perrin/Fail about his lordship on the very eve of the Last Battle. Boy, talk about someone who was so full of herself that she was flying around in la la land. I do have to blame BS for that though, as that scene should have just been skipped altogether and given a very brief summery afterwards. IMO he tried to cram way too much into the ending.
  7. Yes. I have to agree, as I see what you and some of the other posters have been saying now. During my first read of the series I was so engrossed with the story heading to it's conclusion, that I either missed or ignored the mistakes and very uncharacteristic character actions and speech. Perrin's story line having the most numerous and egregious examples. My second read of these three which I just finished a week ago did not go so pleasantly. From now on when I read the series ending, I will just view it as some narrator 1000 years in the future reciting a very changed story by a campfire. Some of the examples are so erroneous that I am going to guess that the publisher was rushing to get these books published to make money quickly, and that the rechecking of the final written story was done very hasty.
  8. . Oh man! soooo many of these gems throughout the series! Two of my favorite small moments: Winter's Heart prologue: From Rand's POV three things are going on in this scene at the same time: While Rand is at his school going over some important news and instructions with Dobraine and Idrien, his attention is also focused on Min who is rummaging through some of Herid Fel's books; she is cursing and then gradually her mood improves as she finds what she is looking for. Also, at the same time while looking out a window, his attention is on observing Mervin Poel's steamwagon's first trail run. It's a great little scene including Rand noticing him giving a speech before he starts it up; it ends up going only 20 paces on it's own. Lord of Chaos ch 18: As well related to the above, is Rand's first tour of the school. It's also a great scene of him looking over the inventors, and their inventions. I LOVE how RJ wrote these parts. These two scenes could have been left out of the story to trim it down, but they are so well written I can reread them over and over again. There are probably hundreds and hundreds of great little scenes like this throughout the series. This is the main reason that the middle books do not really bother me that much; when the many plots slooow down, there is a plethora of stuff like this to keep me engrossed in reading on. If this series went on for another dozen books, I would have little trouble keeping my interest in reading them, as long as many of these types of scenes were included in them.
  9. . Yea. I just checked out the post aMoL quotes over at theoryland regarding Bela, and it most certainly is the case; Bela was written into a no win situation by BS. She had to buy the farm. Also, I remember reading somewhere(might be the ToR reread - I am not sure) that Harriet, also, wanted to avoid copying 'Bill the pony' from LotR; after being locked out of the Gates of Moria with hungry Wargs chasing the Fellowship there, Bill made the impossible, miraculous journey back to the safety of Bree, and survived the story. I do agree with Bela's demise, as it would have been copying Tolkien way too much. Bela's change in the Companion seems a bit of obvious fanwank to me.
  10. . Just finished chapter #43 of A Memory of Light from my reread. While the Heroes of the Last Battle are bleeding and dying all over the battlefield, Perrin is doing his best Bilbo Baggins imitation from the Battle of Five Armies in The Hobbit ***book***. I will finish this up next weekend where I can then devote the remaining chapters in one sitting. What? You can't stand the dozen or so descriptions of the types of tile roofing in Tear from 'The Dragon Reborn'? Actually, though, I have been contemplating on moving on to the audio versions as I have read the series twice now. And I having been wondering if these endless descriptions would make it difficult due to you having to go at the audio reader's own pace. When you read it you can hurry through these areas quicker, while not so listening to them.
  11. . I do not hate any character from the series. Even the villains. Enjoy them all. Though like Bel mentioned above, Gwayne comes close. I have been very baffled by various opinions like these that pop up from time to time, in which a poster will state a venomous hatred or extreme dislike to certain characters from the series. Makes me wonder if these heated judgements would still exist if the covers of his WoT books had CONAN in bold printed on the them. Or, at least 'From the author who wrote SEVEN Conan novels'. Are some readers really expecting Hobbits or Harry Potters to be running around in this story? Not only does Tolkien's influence show in Jordan's fantasy, but, so does the great Robert E, Howard's, also. I believe even more so, which shows in these great characters that he created. Not namby-pamby Mary Sues. But characters that have,,,,,character, with an edge! BTW, I just recently finished reading Jordan's first three Conon novels, and noticed a bit of the genesis of Faile in them, but also, more interestingly, I noticed that Mat is almost a perfect carbon copy of Conan!
  12. You sure ain't kidding. My ADD kicked in immediately and I just gave up. I am hoping that someone will just make a nice graph or spreadsheet that will list all the channelers in order. Someone already did, before the Encyclopedia was released, based on the few entries they released in advance along with a few things I shared from the notes in order to clarify how the rankings work. Thanks for posting that. This is a very, very good point here. I have been finding assorted bits and pieces of contradictions to the books. How Healing works is just one such example. Plus, if you take a gander at the book's 'Introduction', it states that we will find that this is the case in some of the entries. Here is part of it below: This will certainly make it difficult determining if some certain entries are canon, or are not. LMAO Questions left unanswered: Jaim Aybarra - Is still 'sort of' Perrin's cousin. LOL Perrin's bonding to Hopper's soul, mirroring Isam/Luc's dual sole version - From the Brandon interviews published over on theoryland, Brandon pretty much confirms(through some cute fan Q&A) that this happened between Perrin and Hopper in ToM, thus saving Hopper's soul from eternal oblivion. So far I have found nothing that addresses this.
  13. That's because you are viewing it as a guest. You have to be logged in to *your Amazon account*. If you are there as a guest, you get about 50 pages. However, once you log in, then you should be able to view up to 700 plus pages, with a whole lot omitted in between of course.
  14. . Yea, I saw that bit about the Black Wind and Fain too. However, it seems a bit tongue and cheek to me. Questions left unanswered: It is not explained how/why Taren Ferry is destroyed a second time(ch #1 aMol) I guess that was just an error by BS. Why is entering Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh considered EVIL by some? Is it just superstition? Perrin's Hopper hammer powers are not fully disclosed. It appears from aMoL that they are more significant than from tToM. In fact, it's most important one(permanently killing a Darkhound) is not mentioned at all!!!! As noted above, what I am finding a bit strange, is the exclusion of important facts of certain items, or unique personalities of some of the characters. Some content that is missing: Ruby dagger Aiel bridal wreath. Aiel wedding ceremony I was really hoping that the extra year added into the creation of this companion would make it more of a *complete guide*. Like the one for Tolkien's Middle-Earth. One very small error that I noticed was under Renald Fanwar: It has Mat giving him spear lessons at Merrilor, when in fact, Mat was really giving him carpentry lessons on sharpening stakes for constructing a palisade. LOL Plus, 'wobbles' is listed after 'wolf dream'. Also, the 'Sa'sara' and 'pillow friends' are expounded on a wee bit more, which I wasn't expecting.
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