Thank you for moving it, I got a little confused between the main and sub forums. Brown hair can turn blonde sometimes!
Yeah, I am more interested in the implications of Moridin choosing to save Rand (if indeed that's what happened) than the mechanics of it. Ultimately I don't care much how it happened, just for my part.
I will go back and double check this, though I'm at work at the moment without access to my book =/.
It is kind of a conundrum, isn't it? Haha, if you balefire yourself wouldn't you be reversing the actions of person who did the thing that made you disappear? The more strongly you do it to try to overcome this the further back it reverses your removal of yourself. Trippy! I had a friend ask what would happen if you balefired the guy who invented balefire. We debated for a while on if the pattern would simply allow it to exist again through someone else's invention as it was an inevitability. Someone could always discover the weaves. Again though, if he wanted to stop existing, he could have jumped in front of Rand's or any of the Forsaken's balefire's at many points in the series (some where he was physically present for the rest of the fight). That's assuming a fellow Forsaken wouldn't do it for free (probably only due to fear from DO retribution).
Such notes and people may exist out there, part of why I asked on here. I'm not huge on 'word of god' answers to questions in fiction, but it is ultimately the best resource. Anyone who can confirm an absolute RJ/BS answer to this would be greatly appreciated, even if it will probably shit on my dreams =).
I uhh... will try not to sound like a smartass in answering this but, that's exactly what Balefire is? It removes you from the Pattern forever. That's exactly what he wanted. Again, I don't see why he couldn't have done it (or arranged for it to happen) if he really wanted complete and total, "quantum" existential annihilation.
Again, this is the backbone of my theory that what he really wanted was to be proven wrong, but he went about demanding better answers from people like a sulky teenager, huffing around and spewing angst on anything that got in a 1 mile radius of him. I know we saw nothing of desiring redemption throughout the whole series, that was the angsty teenager bit. My theory revolves around the idea that at the very very last minute, he got the one thing he was dreaming of ever since he hit his hitch in logic back in the First Age: A way to reconcile hope and a belief in the perpetual preservation of the Pattern under the Light.
Haha well someone had to do it.
Here again, would be okay with this, if someone has such information. I'm asking to see if it can be found if this issue hasn't been tackled yet, though again ultimately I don't need author confirmation, nor would I necessarily abide strictly by it even if I had it.
Well, there are two things to say here.
The first is that, Rand saving Moridin because he figured out the tricky riddle of Egwene's dreams/Min's vision seems a bit cheap to me. It reduces the "two rivers" heroic virtue you mentioned of saving the life of someone who was your enemy to "remembering to grab your spare body on your way out the door." I feel this is a bit of a cheap interpretation, even if it's the truth, because it makes Rand, essentially, into less of a hero and more of a functionary that fulfilled his job and wanted to have his cake and eat it too - at the expense of another being's consciousness, I might add. That just doesn't sound very genuinely heroic to me.
I didn't call anything about the Two Rivers heroic, they are simply good people who aren't going to let people suffer just because they can. That's not heroic that's humane. Lets assume Rand hadn't interpreted the visions, and he just dragged Moridin out so a human being wouldn't die or be trapped in that pit, now you have your "hero", I still see humane. But I think where we largely differ is in the title you are giving Rand. You called him a hero and/or heroic, I don't see Rand as a hero, I see him strictly as a protagonist, when he descended into his darkness I would call him an anti hero, and that's only because I don't feel antagonist would be appropriate to use there since he was still doing what he felt was best for the rest of the world. And don't forget early on in the series Rand was completely trying to find out how to survive the last battle (that cake saying is dumb) when he asked the Aelfinn/Eelfinn how he could survive his fight with the Dark One. So from the jump he was looking for a way beyond the Last Battle.