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Ubaydullah Abdul-Malik

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  1. Yes! My theard still lives! Unforunately I've gotten a bit distracted from the reading of Malazan as of late,life and well life, getting through school and it's been to flaming cold to just sit in parks and read. Well I'm done with the first leg of my scholastic career and i can read again! However I still haven't gotten back to reading Malazan because I discovered? VladTaltos/Dragaera Mid way through book two and I remain entertained, since the books all seem to be quite short, one and two are less than two hundred pages each, they won't take long to finish. Late happy New-year Dragonmount!
  2. No,No,No,Pit of Doom Flaming no! The Trollocs are monsters and nothing more, they kill by nature and are nearmindless savage and cruel. No Social-Asha'manism here,no moral relitavism,no sympathy for the Dark-One. Let us allow the Trollocs to be monsters.
  3. Warders are attack dogs pure and simple, if the Warder in question is lucky...then their leash and collor are made of velvet. The Aes sadi see themselves as leash holders, as an organization they are truely answerable to none but their own and even the highest mocharchs pays them difrence. They react like some great pervesion has taken place when they learn that the Asha'man had captured and bonded sisters,not mearly because filithy Male-channelers are touching sisters in their spritual no-no places with their filithly Saidin;That is mearly adding insult to injury. It is because some one else is now holding Aes Sadi by the leash, a position that for the past three thousand years has justly been theirs.
  4. I just finished book two DeadHouse Gates, and the series remains good. My recommendation that it be used to patch the Epic Fantasy shaped hole left by A Memory Of Light stands! To arouse interest and discussion of the series. I have a few things to mention; some of which are spoiler-ish. Black Lan, yes there is character who is best described as Lan, if he was a Black(Moorish /Upper West African) Assassin;Instead of a Eurasian Swordsman. With a much more jovial personality. A Little girl is possessed by the Patron god of Assassination...even after he vacates her body she retains the Demigods supernatural level of skill in the fine art of death dealing. Centuries(magic users are often very long lived so she still looks fairly young) old Fat Sorceresses need love to...and they get it. Black Loki A.k.a Quickben, who is essentially, well Loki. Without the Evil, inferiority complex and godhood. A sneaky underhanded sorcerer, with knowledge that know one else has. And an affection for gambits, some of which might well be Xanatos. The Most Incompetent Governor-General In Fiction. Mass Crucifiction. One Man has a soul so mighty that when the crows come to carry it, it takes a murder so great that it seems a black cloud; and deflects a sorcerous attack!
  5. Perhaps it is a generational thing? When I saw Anomander Rake a tall man with silvery white hair great magical and martial prowess bearing a sword nearly as long as he is tall. Who is also the child of a dreaded feminine Eldritch being, the first parallel that occurred to me was Sephiroth.
  6. After finishing A Memory of Light there was giant Epic Fantasy shaped void in my soul. Desperately looking for another series to fill that void. I came across Malazan Book of the Fallen. And so far it's done the trick! As well as anything not a Wheel Of Time squeal series could. Though I am only half way through the second book out of Ten, it has not failed to keep enthralled. Writing style feels much more diffused than what I am accustom to. Though I have dealt with multiple MOVs before most in notably "Wildcards and Wheel Of Time" they carried a stronger feeling of interconnectedness than they do in Malazan. However this feeling of diffusion is not necessarily a bad thing, because the pay off is watching the chartecters and storyline begin to braid together. In summation, read these books! Why? Because A prehistoric High-Ork Demigod is awakens from magic stasis after untold centuries. and soon their affter gets into a fight with giant Dragons; Which the High-Ork Demigod proccedes to win! And there is a man who could only be envisioned as Drow Sephiroth! Anomander Rake...THE SON OF DARKNESS!
  7. and the rulers from LoC Ch.6 That said it is a fallacy to assume the entire country is made up solely of these people. It could very well be like Seanchan with a variety of skin colors. We know that Sammael only unified some of the groups, a portion of the country never came under his control and didn't fight in the LB. As for the Aiel we know per RJ that Zulu and Native American inspiration went into forming the culture. Regardless one and all they are light skinned and fair haired, similar to someone with a Celtic background. When it comes to works of media as far as i am concerned the creator/creartrix's intent trumps everything. Even political correctness which can at times not only be ridicules, it can be more offensive than(insert "ism" of choice here ). Assuming the information in the FAQ is accurate than the Shara is Africa as a whole combined with elements from Imperial China; most notable being silk production. Suttree i am not trying to take the Aiel from you, just highlight some of the elements that went into the creation of their culture. If the Aiel actually do have to go somewhere it will not be with me, but back to Arrakis. @Asha'manKill! Slightly off topic, but not too much... I love history, but you obviously have a better background in it than I do... The Doth'raki in SoIaF, what influences would you say they have other than Mongolian? They're tribal, they're all about horses, they're expanionist when united, feudal when not. That all screams Mongol to me. THoughts? and the rulers from LoC Ch.6 That said it is a fallacy to assume the entire country is made up solely of these people. It could very well be like Seanchan with a variety of skin colors. We know that Sammael only unified some of the groups, a portion of the country never came under his control and didn't fight in the LB. As for the Aiel we know per RJ that Zulu and Native American inspiration went into forming the culture. Regardless one and all they are light skinned and fair haired, similar to someone with a Celtic background. When it comes to works of media as far as i am concerned the creator/creartrix's intent trumps everything. Even political correctness which can at times not only be ridicules, it can be more offensive than(insert "ism" of choice here ). Assuming the information in the FAQ is accurate than the Shara is Africa as a whole combined with elements from Imperial China; most notable being silk production. Suttree i am not trying to take the Aiel from you, just highlight some of the elements that went into the creation of their culture. If the Aiel actually do have to go somewhere it will not be with me, but back to Arrakis. and the rulers from LoC Ch.6 That said it is a fallacy to assume the entire country is made up solely of these people. It could very well be like Seanchan with a variety of skin colors. We know that Sammael only unified some of the groups, a portion of the country never came under his control and didn't fight in the LB. As for the Aiel we know per RJ that Zulu and Native American inspiration went into forming the culture. Regardless one and all they are light skinned and fair haired, similar to someone with a Celtic background. When it comes to works of media as far as i am concerned the creator/creartrix's intent trumps everything. Even political correctness which can at times not only be ridicules, it can be more offensive than(insert "ism" of choice here ). Assuming the information in the FAQ is accurate than the Shara is Africa as a whole combined with elements from Imperial China; most notable being silk production. Suttree i am not trying to take the Aiel from you, just highlight some of the elements that went into the creation of their culture. If the Aiel actually do have to go somewhere it will not be with me, but back to Arrakis. Most of my information on Pre-colonial Africa came from one book. About The Dothraki Horde. I Haven't read any books on Asian or Near/Middle Easter History so i can't go in "depth" as to what elements from the real world cultures were incorporated into them. However I reconiges at least one thing, the Arakh. The Curve bladed sword that the Dothraki use is similar to the Egyptian Kopesh.
  8. and the rulers from LoC Ch.6 That said it is a fallacy to assume the entire country is made up solely of these people. It could very well be like Seanchan with a variety of skin colors. We know that Sammael only unified some of the groups, a portion of the country never came under his control and didn't fight in the LB. As for the Aiel we know per RJ that Zulu and Native American inspiration went into forming the culture. Regardless one and all they are light skinned and fair haired, similar to someone with a Celtic background. When it comes to works of media as far as i am concerned the creator/creartrix's intent trumps everything. Even political correctness which can at times not only be ridicules, it can be more offensive than(insert "ism" of choice here ). Assuming the information in the FAQ is accurate than the Shara is Africa as a whole combined with elements from Imperial China; most notable being silk production. Suttree i am not trying to take the Aiel from you, just highlight some of the elements that went into the creation of their culture. If the Aiel actually do have to go somewhere it will not be with me, but back to Arrakis.
  9. This Is a thread for the Discussion of what the post Tarmon Gai'don world might be like and what a squeal series would theoretically be about. I'll begin with the my own collection of ideas The Raven War Saga. Aviendha's actions to prevent her vision of the future, the destruction of the Aiel and the conquest of world by the Seanchan now known as the Raven Empire, didn't prevent that war just delayed it and insured that Westlands would fight on better term. Aviendha shares her vision of the future with the Aes Sadi and the Asha'man. And they all come to the conclusion that the Seanchan can not be trusted to abide by the Dragon's Peace. Once the situation in the Seachan homeland has been stabilized it is inevitable that they will return to complete their conquest of Westlands. The Orders prepare for the war comming. the Aiel under the direction of the Wiseones form their own organization of male-channelers"the brotherhood of might!" and adept to the changing face warfare. The Aes Sadi Form the Unbound, a secret cabal drawn from the most trusted and powerful members of the Green and Brown Ajah's and release them from Oaths not to Kill with the One power and not make weapons with the One Power. The Members of the Unbound train constantly for battle, and forge and stock pile power-wrought arms armor and militarily applicable Ter'angreal. The Asha'man in addition to the arms build up, complete the black tower and fortify it, transforming their tower into a mighty fortress. They also build other smaller hidden fortress in remote locations in Westlands and other places, such as Tremalking and the Isle of Madmen;which the Asha'man have begun a slow campaign to stabilizes and recruit from.
  10. The Aiel. First and Fore most are the Fremen from the series Dune. Transplanted into Epic Fantasy from Sci-Fi. Both are races of tribalistic Hyper-Lethal desert dwelling survivalist. Who accept the protagonists of their respective series as one their own;And come to serve him as a highly effective military force. A lot of the Aiel's culture is drawn from various Native American cultures. The most obvious being the sweat lodges and their naming trends. Less well known i'd guess, is the concept of Warrior Societies something that the Sioux formed under the name Akíčhita. Another trait shared with a number of Native Americans cultures is that the women were the ones who hold property rights;roof-mistress indeed. The Aiel also share some cultural traits with the Zulu and one other African Culture. The Aiel Warrior's Signature weapon shown here. Described as a Spear with a long broad blade on a short shaft. Is modeled on the Zulu Ikwal. Other Zulu inspired elements of the Aiel, are their leather shields;Although the Aiesl's shields are small and round rather than large and ovoid like the Zulu's. The Aiel's penchant for singing at their enemies During a scene in the later books Tam, says that he hoped to never here that sound again. In the scene Tam is watching the Aiel as they are banging their spear into their shields and chanting; Again the Zulu did this. Mentioned near the beginning of this post is the fact the Aiel share a cultural thread with one other African society besides the Zule, the Dahomey. The Aiel's sole female Warrior Society the Far Dareis Mai were a full time all female military force. And their is at least one real world example of such a force having existed...the so called Amazons of the Dahomey I have absolutely no way to know weather or not the late Mr.Robert Jordan had any knowledge of the Dahomey Amazons. The Most likely source of the inspirations for the Maidens of the Spear were the Greek Amazons(who were in all probability inspired by the Greek contact with the Scythians) however their are some interesting parallels between the between the Maidens of the Spear and Dahomey Amazons; which could possibly be interpreted as more than coincidental. A question to clutzyninja, the only description of a man who might be a Sharan is given in the Knife of Dreams Chapter 21. This is from the Wot Wiki"He is described as very dark, with a peculiar coat without collar or lapels, once white but now stained, and having a musical accent. The kidnapped rulers, too, are described as very dark-skinned and with curly hair, both slender and of great beauty". What people or peoples of the Earth/First Age can fit that description.
  11. First whenever a touchy "subject" is brought up there are always three responses:Agreement,Dismissal,Neutrality. And in a discussion/argument the neutral voice often serves as the mediator and peace maker. Assuming the information in the Wheel Of Time FAQ is accurate then the Aiel are very tall Celtics. With cultural infusions from the Cheyenne, Apache, Zulu(which is where they get their predilection for spears and leather shields from;albite small and round rather than large and ovoid), Bedouin, Japanese, Berbers. And assuming that "Your argument is invalid" is directed at then, you are incorrect good sir my "statement" is perfectly valid. From the FAQ here is a list of real world influences on the Wot Nations.http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/3_sources/3.14_countries.html
  12. The Sharian's are afro-arabs with a little bit of Imperial China throne in for flavor, one of the names for shara, Kigali is shared with a real world city in Rwanda. The description of the Sharan Axe is very close to these African battle Axes. In this regard I am glad that either Brandon Sanderson or somebody on team Jordan actual did at least a little home work into African weapons. When it came time to outfit the Sharan's instead of going, "Hey let's just give the Quasi-African/Arabs Sharian/Easterlings/Southruns Spears big leather shields and call it a day". Demandred's Sharian armor described as looking like a coins that had been sown together. It was likely meant to be seen as a very ornate form of scale armor perhaps something like this. In my mind however I saw the armor as something like this, an armored gown/robe. Having read The World Of Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time. I knew that the male members of the Sharian Ayyad were just two steps above being Feral. The men of Ayyad are barely taught anything beyond the absolute basics of how to function as person. Are used as breeding stock by the females until the show signs of channeling or turn twenty one, in either cases they were killed; that is until Demandred emancipated them. I personally as a Black/African-American member of the N.O.C. Nerds of Color, do not find the Sharans their culture or their role as the dangerous bad guy army offensive. However...if i was going to take some mild umbrage at something. it would be the fact that a near feral group of dark-skinned heavily tattooed men in baggy pants put the fear of the Light into everybody; yes even other Sharans.
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