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AndyC

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  1. hmm i would guess they will keep the amount of rooms per ring more consistent except perhaps the innermost, so the largest are on the outside with windows too and smaller inside.

     

    The problem with that - given the size that the White Tower pretty much has to be to fit all of this in - is that either the rooms in the inner ring would be tiny or the ones in the outer ring would be huge.

     

    If we have the rooms in the junior apartments that I hypothesized as the smallest possible, then you can have three per ring.  So the outer ring ones would be twice the size of the senior apartments (with the innermost ones being the size of the junior ones - half the size of the senior ones).  Each room would vary by a factor of four (area of sixteen times bigger for the big apartments).  Given the geometry, the inner ring is a third the size of the outer ring.

  2. To follow up to my previous posts (sorry if I'm boring everyone!), I looked into it deeper.  Working the logistics had it that it made more sense to have thicker rings at the outside.  Essentially as before with seven radial corridors out from a centre, each ring of apartments is 20 feet deep.  You can get 6 apartments per Ajah in the outermost ring (Ring 4), 4 apartments per Ajah in the first ring in from the outside one (Ring 3), 3 per Ajah in the next (Ring 2) and 2 per Ajah in the innermost ring (Ring 1), giving 15 apartments per Ajah per level.

    This leaves some free space in Rings 1 2 and 3 for use as Ajah communal rooms, storage rooms or ablutions.  The free room in Ring 3 would be 17 feet wide, narrowing to 11 feet wide, all by 20 feet deep.  In Ring 2 it would be 20 feet deep again; 15 feet wide at its widest, narrowing to 6 feet wide at the narrowest.  The one in Ring 1 would be essentially triangular, with it being 9 feet wide at the base and again 20 feet deep.

     

    Apartments would have living rooms of 13' x 12', studies of 8' x 12', bedrooms of 11' x 8' and dressing rooms of 8' x 8'.  After spending years in novice and Accepted accommodation, these would be more than ample.

     

    Within the innermost ring would be a wedge-shaped Ajah hall, nearly 25' deep and 20' wide at the part where you enter from the central well, widening to 40' wide before you get to the radial passage out to the living quarters.  The central stairway would be in the centre of the tower; I've handwaved it to being 25' across, with a 10' wide balcony/landing around it at each level.  I'll see if I can attach pictures to show what I mean.

     

    Again, you'd not fit 3000 Aes Sedai into 22 levels, so I'd postulate senior apartments (this size), mid-size apartments and junior apartments.  However, given the small numbers of Aes Sedai left by NS, all new Aes Sedai in the Blue Ajah go straight to senior apartments.  Only the Red and Green would probably need to use a few mid-sized ones.

     

    For mid-sized, I could fit 9 apartments in Ring 4, 6 in Ring 3, 4 in Ring 2 and 3 in Ring 1.  These left bigger free spaces (17' to 13' by 20' in Ring 3, 22' to 12 ' by 20' in Ring 2 and 11' to 5' by 20' in Ring 1).  Apartments had living rooms of 13' x 8', studies of 9' x 6', bedrooms of 7' x 11' and dressing rooms of 6' x 7'.  A total of 22 apartments per Ajah per level.

     

    For junior apartments, you get 10 in Ring 4, 7 in Ring 3, 5 in Ring 2 and 3 in Ring 1.  Free spaces of 17' to 13' by 20' in Ring 3, 18' to 10' by 20' in Ring 2 and 17' to 5' by 20' in Ring 1.  Apartments were a comparatively cramped 12' x 6' living room, 7' x 6' study, 10' x 8' bedroom and 6' x 5' dressing room. Total of 25 apartments per Ajah per level.

     

    So - each level could have 15 seniors, 22 mid-sized or 25 junior apartments.  If you had 10 levels of seniors (150/Ajah), 7 levels of mid-sized (154/Ajah) and 5 levels of juniors (125/Ajah), you'd have a capacity of 429 Aes Sedai per Ajah, or 3003 Aes Sedai apartments in the Ajah quarters.  Which fits nicely. 

     

    Ajah levels had dropped to between 100 (White) and 200 (Red) by the time of the books, so as one of the smaller Ajah's, the Blue could assign senior apartments to every Aes Sedai.  The Red would need to have their fifty juniormost in mid-sized apartments.

     

    Oh - and a bigger chunk of apartments could have outside windows.  Six out of 15 (40%) of senior apartments, 9 out of 22 (41%) of mi

    d-sized, and 10 out of 25 (junior) apartments would all be in the outer ring.

     

    It looks like this (hopefully this will work!):


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  3. Okay, taking the above and extending it way past the point of extrapolation and into the realms of invention (but seeing if said invention meets the requirements):

     

    Suppose that:

    - The WT is a circular one with a radius of 150' (plus about a foot or two for exterior load bracing, I suppose).

    - There are 22 accommodation levels, split into 7 pie-shaped sectors, one per Ajah (Well, less supposition, more a given.  This also implies circularity of the WT to me, but that's not firm)

     

    Assume concentric corridors of 8' width such that you have: Exterior ring of apartments / corridor / ring of apartments / ring of apartments / corridor / ring of apartments / ring of apartments / corridor / ring of apartments / ring of apartments / corridor / Ajah open hallway / central staircase

     

    Seven spoke corridors (also 8' wide) radiate out from the Ajah open hallway that you come into off of the central staircase.  You can also have Ajah internal staircases in the Ajah open Hall and at the outside end of the radial spoke Hallways.

    If you assume that apartments have to fit into sectors of 1/7th of the circle, you can get apartments in the rings of:

     

    3 / corr / 3 / 2* / corr / 2 / 2 / corr / 1* / 1*

    (* indicate extra room to allow for Ajah public rooms like shared lounges or interior libraries or special practice rooms or even toilets/ablutions)

    So I'll indicate them as apartment rings from the centre.  So ring 1 and 2 each have 1 apartment per Ajah, rings 3 and 4 have 2 per Ajah, ring 5 has 2 per Ajah, ring 6 has 3 per Ajah as does ring 7. 

    Assuming 10' depth (including walls), the length of each apartment is as follows:

    Ring 1: 38 '

    Ring 2: 38'

    Ring 3: 36'

    Ring 4: 40'

    Ring 5: 40'

    Ring 6: 35'

    Ring 7: 41'

     

    Not all apartments are equal, but the smallest ones can have dressing rooms of 10'x6', bedrooms of 8'x10', living rooms of 13' x 10' and studies of 8' x 10', which seem fairly good to these British eyes.

    You can have public rooms for the Ajahs of 10'x17' in Ring 5, and segment shaped ones of 20' x 15' at widest to 6' at narrowest encompassing Rings 1 and 2.

    If the central staircase is 50' across, then the areas from radius 25' to radius 56' become Ajah Halls on each level (22' wide on entry, 31' deep, widening to 50' wide at the point that the radial spoke corridors come off of them.  This area is free to be used for whatever the Ajah desires - on each level).

     

    This gives 14 apartments per Ajah per level. 

     

    We also know that the Tower is designed to hold 3000 Aes Sedai at full stretch.  This would require 30 levels, not just 22.  However, we know that the Tower is understrength.  With another leap into invention (sorry), I'm going to airly postulate that not every Aes Sedai gets an apartment when it's at full crowding.  Sorry to the juniormost and weakest sisters in the precedence order, but you get smaller 'mini-apartments' consisting of half-sized ones.  A 7'x10' bedroom with 4'x6' dressing room/walk-in wardrobe, an 8'x10' living room and a 10' x 6' study.  With these, we can get

     

    Ring 7 : 6

    Ring 6: 5

    Ring 5: 5

    Ring 4: 4

    Ring 3: 4

    Ring 2: 3

    Ring 1: 2

    Total of 29 mini-apartments per Ajah per level.  These are the junior apartments.  You can fit in some smaller public rooms here and there.

     

    So - if you have 14 levels of senior apartments and 8 levels of junior apartments, you get ... 428 apartments per Ajah (196 senior and 232 junior); 2996 apartments in those 22 levels.

     

    Of course, fortunately for Moiraine in New Spring, with the Blue Ajah below 196 Aes Sedai (second smallest Ajah), she gets a senior apartment even with her junior-ness (is that a word?)

     

    Anyway, I'll freely admit sheer invention throughout, but it has demonstrated that you can get what many would describe as decent-sized apartments (bedroom/sitting room/dressing room/study) into a circular Tower 150' in radius while fitting in 3000 Aes Sedai, so it is possible and you can have a Tower twice as high as it is wide (and nicely circular).  Not to say that this is how RJ envisaged it, but it does fit.

  4. Well, if it's 500-600 feet by 300 feet wide, then given 22 levels of Ajah quarters .. hmm.

     

    If we have approximately 400 sq feet apartments  (10'x10' study, 10'x15' living room, 10'x10' bedroom and a 10'x5' dressing room)and assume 10' wide corridors ... assume corridors have apartments each side and go side of tower - Apartment - corridor - apartment-apartment-corridor - apartment-apartment-corridor and assume a cylindrical tower 300 feet in diameter (I know that the BWB has it as an oblong monolith, but I'd like to think the Ogier went for nice round towers :-) )

     

    Then the radius at the edge would be 150 feet.  Apartments from 150-140 feet. A circular corridor at 140-130 feet and apartments from 120-110 and 110-100 feet; corridor at 100-90 feet, apartments at 90-80 and 80-70 and another corridor at 70-60 feet, apartments at 60-50 and 50-40 feet and another corridor at 40-30 feet, with the innermost area being for stairs and a shared area.

    This would give, assuming that the apartments at the edge were bedroom-dressing room-living room-study in line, a 40'x10' apartment.  So, about 22-23 apartments in the outermost ring, 19-20 and 18 apartments in the next ring, 13 and 12 apartments in the next ring and 8-9 and 8 apartments in the innermost ring.  Aim for the lower numbers (walls need some room) and we'd have 22+19+18+13+12+8+8 = 100 apartments per level.  With 22 levels, that allows 2200 Aes Sedai apartments in those levels. 

     

    So we can have a circular Tower of 500-600 feet height and 150 feet radius, which wouldn't look too bad.

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