Haha hello and thank you everyone. 

 

I do plan to build up my collection again once I'm done with getting my nursing license. 

 

Been a nurse for 15 years in my country. But Canada wants to put me through the hoops to get licensed here.

Been reading the books ever since I discovered the 3rd book in '96 as a wee kid of 8 years old. And I was hooked and got every book released and even begged my aunts and uncles to give each new book to me as birthday/Christmas gifts. 

 

Sadly, I had to leave the books behind when I migrated to another country. Somehow, my mother donated them to her pastor's booksale fundraiser and found out too late. I still hurt thinking about it. Buying the ebooks and latest releases just don't have the same feel. Oh well. 

 

Been a lurker to this site since 2013. Happy to see the TV series has sparked the interest of people and seeing new fans! 

 

PS, yes I'm gay and would like to be the gae'sedai hahaha

On 10/11/2023 at 10:16 AM, Scarloc99 said:

Moiraine had lost track of Rand, she had lost control of any spies or anyone, she had not planned for a foresaken to be hunting him. So no, she didn’t have “eyes” on him, she assumed she would be able to find him at the mad house. She also would not have wanted to draw any attention that this random 2 rivers boy was special enough to be watched. 
 

Her sister would not have paid any attention to him because he had done nothing to show he was important until he turned up at that party. No one knew he existed. The fact that Moiraine didn’t know where he was proves that your logic is flawed, it proves she didn’t in fact have eyes on him and she didn’t know where he had gone. If he hadn’t gone to the party then her sister would have had no incentive to watch him either. 

Didn't Moiraine leave a token to each of them? Something she could trace as long as the token was in the possession of the person. She gave one (silver tar valon mark) to Rand, Mat and Perrin. I can't remember in s1 if an episode showcased that. I may have to skim the earlier episodes. 

On 10/7/2023 at 1:40 PM, RitualM said:

It hurt me on so many levels. The ONLY good thing about the entire episode was the reveal of Moghediean, that scene was amazing.

 

Was s2 better than s1? In some ways. But that's like saying getting punched in the face is better than getting hit with a sledge hammer. Neither is good.

 

I want to focus on two of the most awful parts, at least to me.

 

 The worst of the worst was Mat blowing the horn. He runs into a line of soldiers just standing on a rooftop waiting for no reason while the city is in chaos? That might be one of the laziest pieces of writing and direction I've ever seen in my life.

 

Rand still feels like a side character, and his lame dragon reveal with moraine was so awful and cringy, his "fight" with ishameal was equally as cringy. Where is the battle in the sky? The clash of thousands year old forsaken with a legendary  dragon reborn to proclaim his rebirth. It was just fireballs. Grand forsaken with thousands of years of one power knowledge and all he can think to do is throw fireballs at egwenes shield and wait? Sweet Jesus that was painfully dumb.

They should have had a battle, a real battle where rand actually shows a little power  and the finale should have been the culmination of power interacting to light the sky up when Ishmael loses illuminating rand and the fire falling down in the vague shape of a dragon. Not moraine making some lame dragon out of fire for him. Rand still hasn't done a damn thing.

 

At this point I think I have to be done with the show. This is not just a case of its a different turning of the wheel. It's not just because it is divergent from the books. It's just bad writing, and it hurts me cus the source material is so rich and vast that it took some serious effort to make it so lame.

 

Rafe should be ashamed and any fan of the books should be outraged at how poorly this was done.

 

Doubt I'll bother with s3.

 

I think I need to reread the series again to get the sour taste of the show out of my mouth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The departure from the books didn't make me want to finish each epsiode. I spent time skipping stuff. I understand that total adaptation isn't possible considering the length of each book and a dozen or so books in total. But they botched up a lot of things. Same sentiment, I don't think I'll watch s3. 

I just thought of something...are there still DFs in Randland? Who's the leader since all the Chosen are either dead or captured?

there might be black ajah's and unturned DF ashaman left but without the DO and active forsaken there might not be enough resistance.

 

However I worry for the mind warped Graendal and Mesaana... That's not mentioning Moggy in the hands of Seanchans. If moggy find a DF Seanchan, it's gonna be screwy again.

The Yellow Ajah, like all Ajahs with the exception of the White, has its own network of eyes-and-ears. It is considered to be a rather “pitiful thing,” as Aes Sedai tend to believe that there is nothing that can be learned of Healing from those who do not have the ability to channel (TFoH, Prologue)library.tarvalon.net/index.php?title=Yellow_Ajah

 

 

I think this is the book.

 

As you can see the mindset of the AS "nothing that can be learned of Healing from those who do not have the ability to channel"

 

Healing could have been one of the easiest ways the people could trust the AS but due to the concept of the AS and their manipulative behavior some people would rather die than be indebted to AS. Egwene hoped to change that with linking the Kinswomen that specialize mostly as healers when they hid from the tower. She also wanted the AS to retire into the kin and continue serving the WT.

my phone has an LTT dang the double postings

 

 

 

I think it was also siuan or elaida who scoffed at the eyes and ears of the yellow because there weren't any disease that couldn't be healed but the healing the AS do was basic.

Might be misunderstanding what you are trying to say but I do know there is no such quote to that effect.

there is. I'm trying to remember what book it was. I think it was book 5 when a yellow agent tried to kidnap elayne and nynaeve with fork root or a book before that. The word used to describe the yellow network as "pitiful"

The problem with Aes Sedai (and White Tower) is their basic thinking, that in order to guide and protect humanity, they need to be separated, above humanity. This, in time, make the Aes Sedai deviates from their noble goal and put the 'image of White Tower and Aes Sedai' as the first and foremost goal. This is exactly what Nynaeve thought after her test for the shawl, and Egwene agreed with her evaluation.

 

The Wise Ones, on the other hand, live with their community. They are leading the Aiel by being an integral part of Aiel. The hierarchy of Wise Ones is not determined by the strength of Power, so it is open to promotion by merit.

 

The Windfinders also live with their community, but imho their position is more restricted than Wise Ones (or even the Aes Sedai). The Windfinders's status is not determined by their own merit, but by their Sailmistress's achievement.

Those were the points I was Trying to make at least the other channelers lived with the people and tend to use the OP for daily use unlike the AS that have strict edicts of only using the OP when needed.

 

As for the Yellow's, do remember that in the age of legends healing was fine using all weaves. I find it impossible that the type of healing would be lost and the AS have been using only wind water and spirit, something the forsaken laughed at because it was a battle emergency type of weaving, weak and dangerous but useful on the field.

 

Even Moggy called Chesmal's healing as minor talent even though the AS regarded her as a talented healer using a type of healing Nynaeve does. Even with chesmal having lived in the tower long enough the AS still use a weak form of healing, preferring to stick to tradition and not even bothering to really USE the OP for anything else. Evidence is when Nynaeve got scolded after healing Logain, Magla exclaimed that healing was water wind and spirit. It was then the AS started speculating on on using "fire for problems for the heart" and I think it was Siuan again that said that the Yellow's took what Nynaeve did and started making marvels.

 

I think it was also siuan or elaida who scoffed at the eyes and ears of the yellow because there weren't any disease that couldn't be healed but the healing the AS do was basic. Which often times killed the patient. Unlike sumeko and Nynaeve' s healing. They couldn't heal mind problems because they kept on using wind water and spirit unlike Nynaeve.

 

I just think that was the failure of the AS, they placed themselves above the people that they stopped innovating things.

 

Take for example construction, they still use stone masons and stuff in building Elaida's mansion. In age of legends the AS use OP and they managed to make great structures.

 

That's why I think one of Egwene's great achievements was to break traditions in the WT such as the exchange students, no more over zealous capturing of girls with talents and Egwene could have done more instead she died sadly.

 

 

 

 

Btw, its 600 miles between Caemlyn and Cairhein, and it looks about the same between Tarwin's Gap and TV (the next big population center after Shienar). Lets say the trollocs can march 50 miles a day (which is ridiculous but seems to be about what they were doing in TGH being driven hard by Fain, although a much smaller group). Thats still 12 days of brutal marching.

dreadlord gates?

shadowspawn cannot go through gateways. they just come out dead

Oh yeah one of the limitations. I guess way gates and marching are the only ways.

 

pretty clever of RJ/BS to make the TP traveling look like it's only one person at a time.

 

 

 

The Aes Sedai do have a claim to fame aside from channeling as an institution. They were the first group to pull back together after the Breaking. They are the one's who have preserved what history they can, and were probably the first to start redeveloping technology (such as printing presses). Civilization recovered as well as it did because of the White Tower. They've also been a major mediator and negotiator between the nations of the westlands for thousands of years; their influence has only just recently waned. Should Aes Sedai today be proud of that legacy? Some certainly take it too far, but they don't feel special because they can channel, they feel special because they identify with the institution, for their high education and for their training.

they lost contact with the people. I think Egwene knew that for people to trust AS they have to return to the time AS did serve the people. At least Elayne did when she wanted free healing and gates for everybody.

 

I found it annoying that the WT became so swellheaded that they would withold their healing from the sick and that refusal to use the one power for everyday use resulted to their lost talents, diminished power and made AS weaker compared to the likes of Forsaken and even the kin like Sumeko and that kin with her spirit shield that could theoretically hold a forsaken, or sea Folk wind mastery and aiel WO dreaming (and other stuff)

That isn't true mega. The Yellow's use their eyes and ears network to search out outbreaks of disease and the like and anyone is welcome to come to TV for free healing. As for talents that has nothing to do with refusal to use OP for every day use(which btw isn't true either). The two are totally unrelated.

 

Although they truly are not "servants of all" they certainly are out in the world working so saying they have lost contact with the people is false as well. As stated at any given time a 1/3 of the WT is out doing specifically that.

I think during the time Mat got sick they expressed that they only heal the very sick and that Mat was lucky they had time to heal him. I don't mean lost contact as no communication at all. I meant the AS use the OP only if they can gain something such as their help with rulers in exchange of the game of houses. Look at the level of distrust the people have of AS even with the 3 oaths, even Egwene experienced it. And AS treated themselves like nobles only talking mostly to rulers and nobles.

 

The sea folk and aiel female channelers on the other hand were revered by their people even without the oaths.i think that was Egwene's goal when she made the agreements.

 

As for talent and strength Logain and Taim had the ashaman use the one power in doing chores and exercises. They developed faster than the AS, learning healing at a very short time. I know males grow in spurts and females as steady as they aged but the WT had old AS.

 

Meanwhile, I think BS forgot about the oath rod and what Egwene knew about it. The rod or binder reduces life span depending on the number of oaths you make (or type of rod).

The Aes Sedai do have a claim to fame aside from channeling as an institution. They were the first group to pull back together after the Breaking. They are the one's who have preserved what history they can, and were probably the first to start redeveloping technology (such as printing presses). Civilization recovered as well as it did because of the White Tower. They've also been a major mediator and negotiator between the nations of the westlands for thousands of years; their influence has only just recently waned. Should Aes Sedai today be proud of that legacy? Some certainly take it too far, but they don't feel special because they can channel, they feel special because they identify with the institution, for their high education and for their training.

they lost contact with the people. I think Egwene knew that for people to trust AS they have to return to the time AS did serve the people. At least Elayne did when she wanted free healing and gates for everybody.

 

I found it annoying that the WT became so swellheaded that they would withold their healing from the sick and that refusal to use the one power for everyday use resulted to their lost talents, diminished power and made AS weaker compared to the likes of Forsaken and even the kin like Sumeko and that kin with her spirit shield that could theoretically hold a forsaken, or sea Folk wind mastery and aiel WO dreaming (and other stuff)

 

Egwene wanted the training of the kin that use healing always, the Aiel WO that also use the OP for the clan and the sea Folk that use the OP when sailing.

 

You don't see the sea Folk and Aiel distrusting their channelers something that the WT has failed.

 

Btw, its 600 miles between Caemlyn and Cairhein, and it looks about the same between Tarwin's Gap and TV (the next big population center after Shienar). Lets say the trollocs can march 50 miles a day (which is ridiculous but seems to be about what they were doing in TGH being driven hard by Fain, although a much smaller group). Thats still 12 days of brutal marching.

dreadlord gates?

 

 

 

 

Am I the only one who found the whole anti-Balefire thing to be a bit of an ass-pull?

Not really, Nynaeve did the same thing with compulsion. But the name was cheesy. Flame of Tarvalon

It was a bit of a cheesy moment, but we don't need to take the Flame of Tar Valon as an official name like some people want to. That's what it was a symbol of to Egwene. It held the world together against the Shadow, a beacon of light in the dark.

I guess so. Sounded like Flavonols to me. But I guess the absurdity of it all, Egwene went dragonmount style. Only hers were crystal pillars.

 

Egwene is not the equal of Rand.Deal with it.

nice to see you in a thread all about Egwene

 

Am I the only one who found the whole anti-Balefire thing to be a bit of an ass-pull?

Not really, Nynaeve did the same thing with compulsion. But the name was cheesy. Flame of Tarvalon

 

 

 

 

 

 

When Elan made the bore, he was the first to touch the True Power, went instantly insane from the effect of the power, and his evil consciousness was imprinted on the True Power in the form of Shai'tan. Both exist together and separate simultaneously, not even fully understanding their interconnectedness.

Elan Morin Tendronai did not make the bore. It was Mierin (Lanfear) and another AS called Beidemon while researching at Collan Daam

beidomon being moghedien. Fitting end for her like elaida. Yet its worrying to have a forsaken join the ranks of seanchan. If they forced elaida to reveal traveling what about moghedien's knowledge.

 

Book 14.a please? Or a book 15 will do ahaha

Beidemon is not Moghedian - he was a male. Also, Moggy was not a researcher, Mesaana was the researcher - who was decline a position at Collan Daam.

sorry for the wrong info. I don't know why it stuck in my head that lanfear and moghieden found the DO prison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But Sutts, I'm going to a book signing next month, you best believe I intend on asking about the Sharan men. I just can't let that one pass me by. I can stand for making random people disappear, I mean maybe they were hiding, because they lost their will to live and survive, but I can't abide by introducing people who don't bloody exist!

Sharan male channelers were likely trained to channel by Demandred.

 

 

Not sure if this had been mentioned already (I'm new)

 

Edit a bit. Greandal knew of the Sharans and showed a pair to Sammael hoping that he'd investigate and encounter Demandred. She mentioned that the Sharans ruled 1 male channeler and 1 female channeler for six years then commits suicide. I think there was going to be a book about this before RJ died.

Noal/Jain was written in and he traveled to shara, in previous books Domon allegedly traded with them and some Sea Folk talking about breaking Sharan trade customs somewhere along the books dealing with weather. Even Aiel and Tinkers encountered them. (needs some citation I know but the last time I read books 1 to 10 was 7 years ago)

 

RJ must have painted such a vast world that I think future battles would have pitted the beings in the tower of Ghenjie against Rand, not mentioning Machin Shin and other nations across the ocean not just Seanchan (portal stones)

 

I'm going to read the series again but I'm really amazed at how stuff RJ wrote in older books clicked into place. It's a shame that they had to end the book for the sanity of the readers lol

 

 

 

Numbers/descriptions off, battle plans ridiculous, excuses made to weaken channelers and a huge example of the "tell don't show" style in these last three books in relation the plans themselves. You can't just tell the readers they are brilliant plans when the flaws are so readily apparent.

I recall doing a vague tally just after ToM and finding there should be roughly 4 million (on the low-side) total troops present at Tarmon Gai'don, though I don't know where I came up with my Trolloc numbers. There were not even half that in aMoL if I read it correctly.

there was one about Lan mentioning his force of (below) 10 thousand versus 150 thousand at tarwin gap

 

And may I add, I loved the part where Androl went full on PORTALS in the war.

 

 

When Elan made the bore, he was the first to touch the True Power, went instantly insane from the effect of the power, and his evil consciousness was imprinted on the True Power in the form of Shai'tan. Both exist together and separate simultaneously, not even fully understanding their interconnectedness.

Elan Morin Tendronai did not make the bore. It was Mierin (Lanfear) and another AS called Beidemon while researching at Collan Daam

beidomon being moghedien. Fitting end for her like elaida. Yet its worrying to have a forsaken join the ranks of seanchan. If they forced elaida to reveal traveling what about moghedien's knowledge.

 

Book 14.a please? Or a book 15 will do ahaha

I really want to know what happens to Rand after this but I guess this book series has to end. But I do hope a supplementary book is released though. Nynaeve is one of my fave characters and she kicked A's toward the end of the series helping with major stuff like cleaning saidin and defeating shaitan.

 

I guess rand needed the tp to protect the saidin and saidar used to seal the bore. It kinda makes sense with the saying "opposites attract, like repel".

 

Cadsuane being ropes into becoming Amyrlin was funny though.

 

I really want that supplementary book and see happy endings. Lol