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  1. Of course they knew, but shouldn't they have put up a show of some sort? but this is off topic, we are discussing why Mat and Perrin weren't there..or maybe they were but are not mentioned?..I don't know it's a bit strange for Perrin at least.
  2. I know I'll probably raise hell with this replay but I actually like the seanchan. No, I don't like slavery, I think it's wrong and should stop, I just wish it would stop in seanchan as natural cultural progress and not through outside influence or bringing the whole empire down, they are lovely people after all! There are few points I want to discuss that I saw mentioned in this topic, first, the agreement between Tuon and Egwene , it didn't happen, Egwene lost her cool and channeled in Toun's presence ruining the whole thing! it was one of the few instances I rooted for a character I hate against a character I love and was very disappointed. still the result of that meeting is no agreement, Cads will have to make new negotiations or something. Also Egwene is a hypocrite, she kept Moggi as a damane because it was in her best interest, but it is terrible for the seanchan to do the same . About Tuon saying she can tear up the treaty..I would have said the same in her position, she is an empress of absolute power on her people, she can not be seen as weak or submissive to the dragon reborn, so she should show her dominance by pointing out that the treaty does not constrain her and that she is choosing to follow it. simple politics..she did not break her word yet and I rather think she wouldn't. There is also a main point about seanchan that a lot of people seem to miss, they believe what they are doing is right, often people underestimate the power of cultural believes, the seanchan are born and raised thinking leashing channelers is right, they see nothing wrong in reducing them to pets, and no amount of argument will change that, I'll actually give you a personal example, I'm a Muslim, and as you may know eating pork is forbidden by my religion, you can argue with me for hours, show me statistics that says eating pork is good for health .I still wouldn't eat it. in fact even though I never tested it, whenever I say a dish of it on TV I feel a bit sick and imagine that it tests terrible, also, even though Qur'an specifically states you can eat it in an emergency, some Muslims would rather die! This is not to say the situations are the same, but such is the power of culture on people, the seanchan might change gradually, and I believe in this case Hawking might help since he is as close to a god as the seanchan have. though I don't think his meeting with Tuon would have gone very smoothly if he outright denounced the a'dam, since she would probably suspect the AS of trying to fool her, maybe something more subtle, I honestly have no clue of how that meeting went. But let us not forget that in essence the seanchan had gone through a lot of adapting in the last thousand years, according to the guide the armies of Luthier were shocked to see the practice of slavery when they first made it to the continent , but they adopted it themselves in the coming years along other strange customs, obviously it was not an easy life they had there and their hate for channelers was no longer connected to hawkwing but developed from facing evil AS that ruled the land then, so whose to say they wouldn't adapt again with the people of Randland? Personally if I was The empress I would work on getting Seanchan back, then I would take down shara, if the 100 years where over by then, I'll just snatch the rest of the world muhahaha!
  3. Yeah I felt a bit bad when Mat (and I think Perrin too) did not show up for the funeral, since the three Rand girlfriends' reaction was horrible it would have been nice to see his friends' reactions, but I'm not complaining, sometimes it's a good thing to let readers use their imagination.
  4. well let me answer you in Nynaeve words: "Yes, he drinks and gambles far too much. But don't speak of him as if you know him, because you don't. His heart is golden, under it all."
  5. I had to vote for memory of light, not only was it cool, the waiting made it extra special for me, here is my list: 1. AMOL 2.KOD 3.TGS 4.TSR 5.TDR 6.TFoH 7.ToM 8.TGH 9.TEoTW 10.COS 11.WH 12.TEoTW 13.COT 14.POD I don't know why, but I feel like my ranking is so different than others, mostly because I'm one of the few readers who didn't like the first two books and then magically started loving the series. Yay for persistence ! BTW, I only read the series once so it's very possible my ranking would change in the second read.
  6. Here,now! I don't think Brandon's Tuon is worse than Jordan's, if you read her POV in the gathering storm, it's actually quite close...It's Tuon the Empress that is worse than Tuon the DoNM, very understandable really, Negative character development is still development, I mean Rand almost turned to the dark side in the gathering storm, and Tuon became worse due to her heavy duty as empress, hopefully she will get better with time even if we don't get to see it. But honestly, lets assume Brandon had made her all sweet and cuddly, would her last scene make sense? when she told Mat she can kill him now that she doesn't need him? as we all know that scene was written by Jordan..so get off Brandon's back! On a different note I did feel the whole assassinations issue was overdone, but it was rather hilarious so I didn't mind.
  7. Excuse me, but this is fantasy, we have people who can travel and horizontal gateways that look over the field! I don't think it's fair to compare it to battles in our world.
  8. saidin doesn't work on Mat either, the only example we have of this is Halima(or Aran'gar) using it on him when he was in salidar.
  9. Actually the whole Natrim's Barrow thing was based on using balefire which will undo anything a person has done including compulsion, it is not the same as normal death.
  10. let's see...I think Grady was responsible for opening the gateway for them, he probably went to Merrilor with Perrin , so he wasn't there for the battle of Caemlyn, and it explains how Moiriane made it there, but it doesn't explain about Mat, perhaps when he got there Grady told him about the meeting between Rand and Egwene , Mat's first reaction was to flee so he asked Grady to open him a gateway near Ebuo dar...I know, there are major holes with this theory but it's the one I'm going with. As for the discussion of Mat Vs Demandred, I'll refer you to a conversation Mat had with Elayne, he told her the battle was like a card game, and that he was losing, he only needed to draw one card right, and that card was Demandred's death, the Battle was won after Lan killed Demandred, because that was Mat's plan all along! also, if the Seanchan had returned earlier, the sounding of the horn would have been unnecessary & anticlimactic, it was either the heroes or the seanchan, one of them had to be anticlimactic for the other to come in the right time, and I believe Brandon made the right call by bringing the heroes first.
  11. Brandon Sanderson had another character attached to his hat in one of his books, maybe there is a connection there somewhere.
  12. you know, Min's viewings are always about the future, and not all of them happened( for example most of her viewings in the last book), and as we can see if a white lily means assassination attempt, then it is possible that the red eagle refers to something that is yet to come and has nothing to do with Manatheren. I don't 100% believe it myself, but I thought it's worth pointing it out. so he told Moiraine ,but he did sound suspicious.
  13. Few pages back someone brought up Hawkwing talk with Tuon, which is by the way one of the thing I'd pay to read, but it occurred to me that Hawkwing can't simply tell her to stop leashing Chanelers because she will immediately assume it's a trick by one of the Aes sedai, honestly, I'd think that myself.
  14. I think my favorite moment or plotline was the fall of the great captions and Mat taking command, it was done in a very convincing climatic way and made both Graendal and Mat look awesome! and it was scary when we first think that the great captions are indeed darkfriends I loved the way Lanfear died, specifically how Perrin overcame compulsion using his knowledge in the dream world and how compulsion is just another weave aside from that, I love pretty much all the things mentioned before, and how Hinderstrap played a role in the end
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