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Atheose

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  1. The huge, army-sized gateway opening to reveal the Sharans. Amazing.
  2. I agree with Brandon that the BT sequence would have worked better in ToM. I also appreciate that he's willing to discuss these things with fans and admit mistakes, but finding out how badly everything was planned is depressing. Deadlines should not have decided where the BT sequence ended up. Unfortunately it's a lose-lose for them. If they slow down and take the time to do it right, people get upset that the release date gets changed.
  3. I thought so. I'm all for having gay characters in books, but the way it was done, both times as a minor aside ("Besides, he prefers men.") was kind of pointless.
  4. This is pretty much spot-on. Awesome first 3 books, then Feast for Crows is terrible and goes in a direction nobody cares about, then he starts getting back on track with Dance of Dragons. Thankfully having HBO catching up to him should light a fire under him to finish the last two books quickly.
  5. I seems obvious to me that she was abducted. I'm a little fuzzy but didn't it say that Cadsuane and the others thought Alanna left immediately but they didn't feel anything (like a gateway). Seems pretty plausible that Moridin or one of his male channeler lackeys could have scooped her up pretty easily. It was a cliffhanger and it did pay off for me. She was abducted by Moridin to be used against Rand at the very end.... re: Lanfear -- looks like she wanted to be the one to step in at the last second and save the day for the Shadow. I think those thoughts are Perrin's but they seem be a very good guess based on what we know of her. After Rand "revealed his soul" or whatever, there wasn't much left for her... Just because Brandon and RJ show that Verin sent out a lot of letters, doesn't mean they all had to be key plot points. Maybe they were, but I don't see how Brandon (and RJ) could have shown us everything, even if they wished to. There are things I want to know also, but there is no good way to resolve every single plot point. I'm still inclined to think that Alanna was a Darkfriend who got in way over her head. Her interest in the boys from tDR forward was just too out of place, and her other actions just don't make a whole lot of sense otherwise. Lanfear wanted out from under Moridin's thumb. She must have had some inkling of what Moridin expected to happen at Shayol Ghul, and used that information to her advantage. Once Rand and Moridin were distracted, she could move in for the kill. I thought Min had a viewing that Rand could trust Alanna? That seems to imply that she wasn't a DF. As for what was in her letter, I like that it's left up to speculation. I think it was Verin warning her that Darkfriends were going to try to kidnap her to use against Rand.
  6. Jordan himself said (many, many times) that he didn't want to reveal everything because he wanted people to discuss and speculate long after the books were released. Hell, he wasn't even going to release definitive information on Asmodean's killer either.
  7. Of course Brandon wrote it, my point is that I don't believe Brandon decided "Hey I'm going to have LAN fight Demandred and kill him with Sheath The Sword". Unless you have a source that I'm missing. I know that most of this is just speculation by all of us until we get specific quotes from Brandon. I just think people are using Brandon as a scapegoat for some events in the final book that they dislike, which I think were probably decided by RJ. There is a source out there confirming from Brandon's own mouth that he thought up the Lan vs Demandred scene. I dont know where to find it off the top of my head though. I'm sure Terez can help you though she is the archive master for this kind of stuff. If that's true then I stand corrected. And, assuming that's true... that really disappoints me that RJ wouldn't write out what he wants to happen to Lan in the last book, especially since Lan is his pet character. Thats generally what happens when your really ill, trying to get down as much detail as possible, its far too easy to forget what you have and havent written down, if he had been able to get all the details he had wanted, they wouldnt have needed Brandon, as Harriet would have probably been able to edit it all together. There were massive swathes of the plot which needed filling. I just can't imagine there not being notes on the important stuff. Sanderson said that there were few finished chapters, but lots of notes for aMoL: https://twitter.com/BrandSanderson/status/18581181376 EDIT: disclaimer: there are probably tons of tweets and interviews where Brandon contradicts what he says above. I'm ignorant of most of what he's said regarding the notes left for him, so apologies in advance if I'm way off base here.
  8. Of course Brandon wrote it, my point is that I don't believe Brandon decided "Hey I'm going to have LAN fight Demandred and kill him with Sheath The Sword". Unless you have a source that I'm missing. I know that most of this is just speculation by all of us until we get specific quotes from Brandon. I just think people are using Brandon as a scapegoat for some events in the final book that they dislike, which I think were probably decided by RJ. There is a source out there confirming from Brandon's own mouth that he thought up the Lan vs Demandred scene. I dont know where to find it off the top of my head though. I'm sure Terez can help you though she is the archive master for this kind of stuff. If that's true then I stand corrected. And, assuming that's true... that really disappoints me that RJ wouldn't write out what he wants to happen to Lan in the last book, especially since Lan is his pet character.
  9. Of course Brandon wrote it, my point is that I don't believe Brandon decided "Hey I'm going to have LAN fight Demandred and kill him with Sheath The Sword". Unless you have a source that I'm missing. I know that most of this is just speculation by all of us until we get specific quotes from Brandon. I just think people are using Brandon as a scapegoat for some events in the final book that they dislike, which I think were probably decided by RJ. I'm largely positive about what Brandon has done. RJ may have left a note on that scene with Lan, but to be honest, from things that have been said, Brandon's had to make plenty of similar decisions and plotwork on his own based on his own notes after rereading the series. I'm reasonably new to Dragonmount so maybe that's been discussed a lot more before I got here... do you have any links to quotes like that? I'm not doubting what you say, it just seems like I'm out of the loop on a lot of interview stuff.
  10. Of course Brandon wrote it, my point is that I don't believe Brandon decided "Hey I'm going to have LAN fight Demandred and kill him with Sheath The Sword". Unless you have a source that I'm missing. I know that most of this is just speculation by all of us until we get specific quotes from Brandon. I just think people are using Brandon as a scapegoat for some events in the final book that they dislike, which I think were probably decided by RJ.
  11. On the contrary we know for fact that isn't true. The notes were far less robust than originally thought. For instance in many places it would be "character a starts here and ends here" and Brandon would have to make up everything in between. It is no where near as detailed as you claim above. Brandon has stated he had to create well over 50% of the material from scratch with almost no guidance.Isnt that what he just did? That was far from robust... That is saying starts here, ends here in one sentence. How can it be less than that?Wait what? Atheose implied each step was outlined. We know that wasn't even remotely the case and Brandon had to make large sections and how things happened up from scratch. "I'm VERY confident that RJ outlined most of the last three books (especially the Last Battle), and Brandon just wrote the words" I definitely didn't mean that every step was outlined, just the important parts. Like in the example I gave regarding Galad: Mat gives him the medallion, Galad loses to Demandred, but survives to give the medallion to Lan. Those are essentially the three things that matter, but leaves BOATLOADS of room for Brandon to need to fill-in for Galad. I find it very hard to believe that RJ wouldn't do a similar outline of the important parts of each character's arc for the final books. There are some things that I'm sure RJ outlined in great detail. That does not strike me as being one of them. Perhaps he wrote something about Lan killing Demandred, maybe. RJ had plenty of time before he died to jot down notes for whoever was going to finish the series after he died. And even if he didn't outline a lot of the steps in between, simply writing down how each character ends/dies seems to be a very obvious important thing to do. I'm sure RJ didn't have every detail planned, but it would take maybe two minutes to write a sentence or two about each character.
  12. On the contrary we know for fact that isn't true. The notes were far less robust than originally thought. For instance in many places it would be "character a starts here and ends here" and Brandon would have to make up everything in between. It is no where near as detailed as you claim above. Brandon has stated he had to create well over 50% of the material from scratch with almost no guidance.Isnt that what he just did? That was far from robust... That is saying starts here, ends here in one sentence. How can it be less than that?Wait what? Atheose implied each step was outlined. We know that wasn't even remotely the case and Brandon had to make large sections and how things happened up from scratch. "I'm VERY confident that RJ outlined most of the last three books (especially the Last Battle), and Brandon just wrote the words" I definitely didn't mean that every step was outlined, just the important parts. Like in the example I gave regarding Galad: Mat gives him the medallion, Galad loses to Demandred, but survives to give the medallion to Lan. Those are essentially the three things that matter, but leaves BOATLOADS of room for Brandon to need to fill-in for Galad. I find it very hard to believe that RJ wouldn't do a similar outline of the important parts of each character's arc for the final books.
  13. How was the ending botched? A lot of people, me included, are quite happy with the ending. Also, I believe that RJ himself wrote the ending, and a large part of the last third or so of aMoL. This is how I feel. RJ had a lot of time to start outlining things before he died. Unless someone has an interview quote that says otherwise, I'm VERY confident that RJ outlined most of the last three books (especially the Last Battle), and Brandon just wrote the words. If you're upset with specific things that happened you should be blaming RJ; if you're upset at the writing and wording, you should be blaming Sanderson. It wouldn't take long for RJ to sit down and write a quick outline for each character: Siuan: "She sticks around Bryne for most of the battle, then she leaves him at one point which goes against Min's viewings. She then chooses to go back into the burning tent to save Mat, but dies in the process." Gawyn: "He marries Egwene, decides to use the Bloodknives ring, and dies trying to kill Demandred." Galad: "Mat gives him a copy of the fox medallion and tells him to kill as many channelers as he can. After finding Galad dying, he tries to fight Demandred too, but also loses." I find it very hard to believe that RJ wouldn't do this.
  14. It makes complete sense, especially as a parallel to the DO. The DO has both his own booming voice and Shadar Haran, so logically the creator would have the same.
  15. This is how I feel. Of course there were parts I didn't like, and a few things stuck out as un-Jordan-like, but overall I'm extremely pleased that it was ended so well despite Jordan passing away 6 years ago.
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