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  1. That's almost exactly what I said. Focus on the characters and their interactions. The battles I mentioned are key events to work storylines towards. For TV, right or wrong, the audience is going to expect something spectacular at the end of a season, and that's where the big battles come in.
  2. Going to copy something I wrote a couple years ago regarding the transition to a TV series: Toughest part about trying to discuss the potential TV series is balancing what I personally want to see (a very close adaption with corresponding huge budgets to accommodate everything) vs what actually has a chance to happen. For example, some combination of Nyn, Egwene, Min, Siuan etc can be cut or combined. But to me, that would lose so much of the WoT feel. First and foremost I want the characters and their relationships to be carried across to the TV screen. It's what made WoT so engaging and long lasting. We knew how the characters thought, what made them tick, and how they related to each other. I'd keep all the major characters (let's call them the EotW crew plus Siuan and a few others.) Maybe diminished roles, but have them. The big decision (and this is all just a random splattering of thoughts right now) is what to do with the Seanchan and Aiel. Seanchan first. For budgetary and story conciseness, do you want to have just one big bad (all manner of DO forces) or do you want to mix in the Seanchan? The Aiel have similar considerations. Huge new culture, requiring a ton of additional actors. Is it worth keeping them in? As readers, the obvious answer is YES. But I can see how each would be left on the cutting room floor due to budget or story condensing. Personally, I hope the approach is not to cut characters and peoples but storylines. Stick to four main storylines, each spreading out as seasons continue. Rand, Mat, Perrin and Aes Sedai. What the the BIG events? (i.e season finale's) Battle in the Blight/Eye of the World visit (probably need to bulk up. I can also see this being completely changed to a new, more 'massive' TVish ending.) Battle at Falme Battle of Emond's Field Battle of Caemelyn (FoH) Dumai's Wells Cleansing Rand's TGS realization and nearly destroying the Seanchan/WT battle Some new storyline's will be undoubetdly worked in, but take those and build all storyline's towards them. (Yes I stopped at TGS, but I figure after that it's just one season that's basically the Last Battle.) Season 1: EotW -Major priority: Establishing the characters, relationships and world (Dream sequences are huge, as are developing compelling villians. Ishy yes, but if those two forsaken are going to be the big battle at the end, they need development or forshadowing as well.) Season 2: TGH, with maybe some TDR thrown in -Major priority: Further character growth, splitting of the team, Rand coming to abilities. World building. I'm not going to go season by season because I haven't put much thought into this, but the main point is that I hope the writers etc. build off of and towards main events instead of just cutting characters. For example, the cleansing being a big event means you have to focus on the Madness of male Aes Sedai, which means some form of Asha'man and the effects the madness has. Bowl of Winds storyline and most supergirl adventures? Cut the former, and alter the latter to fit whatever major events you chose and the new storylines to build towards them. As much as I hate to say it, it would not be a bad idea to leave Thom actually dead after the confrontation in tEotW. Moraine as well after FoH. Snakes and Foxes are AWESOME, and I'd leave them in, but maybe think of another reason for Mat to go back, or have it just be Moraine parting some knowledge in Finnland before dying. (She doesn't do much in the Last Battle anyway.) Thinking through the big events, Fain is not very relevant. He can easily be killed off early or not be in at all, and anything major he does be given to someone else. One of the reasons to possibly cut the Seanchan is to give more development time to the Forsaken, who in theory are going to be the main villains. (Can you imagine if the show creators can successfully translate the 'Where in the world is Demandred' we all went through to numerous forsaken over the course of the series? Would make for great intrigue amongst viewers I believe.) I'm going to stop now, since I could probably go on for about 10 pages. I don't even know if any of that made any sense. Forgive the misspelling of names, been a long time since I've reread the series. I guess the main point is don't cut characters just because there are too many, work the important ones into the storylines, even if it means changing a bunch. Just try to keep the personalities in tact.
  3. I think a lot of people are underestimating the amount of streamlining that the camera and a set of actors can do vs a book. For example let's just take EoTW: Ep1 - Prologue through saddling up to leave Winespring Inn. Ep2 - The ride out of Emond's Field - Leaving Baerlon Ep3 - Baerlon - escaping from Shadar Logoth Ep4 - Rands/Mat/Thom to fleeing the fade at WB. Ep5 - Perrin / Egwene to being captured by the WC + Nyn/Lan/Moiraine preparing to rescue Ep6 - Rescue of Perrin/Egwene + Rand/Mat to Caemlyn Ep7 - Time at Caemlyn to leaving via the ways Ep8 - Ways + Fal Dara Ep9 - Blight + EoTW Ep10 - Aftermath + Amyrlyn arriving. Season 2 I would do Walking Dead style with two 8 episode arcs covering TGH and TDR. Really don't need to start omitting/trimming characters until TSR when the plot really begins to branch. Good point about the streamlining. The one caveat I would add is that there's still probably a lot of prose that will need to be converted to dialogue, especially inner thoughts (which can be shown to an extent, but some will have to be translated to spoken word somehow,) and that may cancel out some of the streamlining.
  4. Feels good to be back on this board. Toughest part about trying to discuss the potential TV series is balancing what I personally want to see (a very close adaption with corresponding huge budgets to accomodate everything) vs what actually has a chance to happen. For example, some combination of Nyn, Egwene, Min, Siuan etc can be cut or combined. But to me, that would lose so much of the WoT feel. First and foremost I want the characters and their relationships to be carried across to the TV screen. It's what made WoT so engaging and long lasting. We knew how the characters thought, what made them tick, and how they related to each other. I'd keep all the major characters (let's call them the EotW crew plus Siuan and a few others.) Maybe diminished roles, but have them. The big decision (and this is all just a random splattering of thoughts right now) is what to do with the Seanchan and Aiel. Seanchan first. For budgetary and story concisness, do you want to have just one big bad (all manner of DO forces) or do you want to mix in the Seanchan? The Aiel have similar considerations. Huge new culture, requiring a ton of additional actors. Is it worth keeping them in? As readers, the obvious answer is YES. But I can see how each would be left on the cutting room floor due to budget or story condensing. Personally, I hope the approach is not to cut characters and peoples but storylines. Stick to four main storylines, each spreading out as seasons continue. Rand, Mat, Perrin and Aes Sedai. What the the BIG events? (i.e season finale's) Battle in the Blight/Eye of the World visit (probably need to bulk up. I can also see this being completely changed to a new, more 'massive' TVish ending.) Battle at Falme Battle of Emond's Field Battle of Caemelyn (FoH) Dumai's Wells Cleansing Rand's TGS realization and nearly destroying the Seanchan/WT battle Some new storyline's will be undoubetdly worked in, but take those and build all storyline's towards them. (Yes I stopped at TGS, but I figure after that it's just one season that's basically the Last Battle.) Season 1: EotW -Major priority: Establishing the characters, relationships and world (Dream sequences are huge, as are developing compelling villians. Ishy yes, but if those two forsaken are going to be the big battle at the end, they need development or forshadowing as well.) Season 2: TGH, with maybe some TDR thrown in -Major priority: Further character growth, splitting of the team, Rand coming to abilities. World building. I'm not going to go season by season because I haven't put much thought into this, but the main point is that I hope the writers etc. build off of and towards main events instead of just cutting characters. For example, the cleansing being a big event means you have to focus on the Madness of male Aes Sedai, which means some form of Asha'man and the effects the madness has. Bowl of Winds storyline and most supergirl adventures? Cut the former, and alter the latter to fit whatever major events you chose and the new storylines to build towards them. As much as I hate to say it, it would not be a bad idea to leave Thom actually dead after the confrontation in tEotW. Moraine as well after FoH. Snakes and Foxes are AWESOME, and I'd leave them in, but maybe think of another reaoson for Mat to go back, or have it just be Moraine parting some knowledge before in Finnland before dying. (She doesn't do much in the Last Battle anyway.) Thinking through the big events, Fain is not very relevant. He can easily be killed off early or not be in at all, and anything major he does be given to someone else. One of the reasons to possibly cut the Seanchan is to give more development time to the Forsakan, who in theory are going to be the main villains. (Can you imagine if the show creators can successfully translate the 'Where in the world is Demandred' we all went through to numerous forsaken over the course of the series? Would make for great intrigue amongst viewers I believe.) I'm going to stop now, since I could probably go on for about 10 pages. I don't even know if any of that made any sense. Forgive the misspelling of names, been a long time since I've reread the series. I guess the main point is don't cut characters just because there are too many, work the important ones into the storylines, even if it means changing a bunch. Just try to keep the personalities in tact. Either way, looking forward to it.
  5. So true. Love the theory. It's gotten to the point where I'm going to be thouroughly dissapointed if Demandred is not actually hiding amonst the Sea Folk. It's the little things I like so much about this one. Explaining Bashere's absence and the random servent with the Sea Folk parasol are perfect tidbits that are easily missed (heck, I just got to this part in my re-read literally yesterday, and thought nothing more besides how odd they were,) and something I can easily see RJ doing. And honestly, explaining the Machin Shin issue via windfinders or Bowl of the Winds is perfect. Something almost so obvious it's easily missed. Giant evil wind rushing to kill you and screw with your plans? Find someone who can control the wind. Heck, that would almost give Dem defacto control over the Ways, being the only one who can reliably move forces through without fear. And from Verin's letter at the end of ToM, we know the shadow has used the Ways a second time, and assuming there was a significant force moving via the Ways, someone would have had to solve the Machin Shin issue again. It's not much of a stretch to assume Dem is in charge of that force, being the last big battle general the shadow has (I think,) so it does make sense that he would have a way around the black wind. Heck, maybe the attack on the manor served a side role of making sure the Windfiners/Bowl could control Machin Shin as Dem prepared for the big show.
  6. Mat/Leane (Post stilling and healing) Perrin/Min Tuon/Shaidar Haran (Hey, if she really doesn't want to see channeling weaves...)
  7. Of any predicition I have ever read, this is near the top of things I want to see happen. If there was another book or two left after AMoL, I'd even say it's remotely possible.
  8. Moggy needs to die facing Nynaeve, with Mogs trumpeting her superiority, thinking that despite being near equal in strength, she has all her years in the AoL to fall back on, etc. etc. Then Nyn casually balefires her out of existence like swatting a fly. Fortuona refuses Rand and Mat's offer of truce and refuses to give up damane. Mat comes to his senses and realizes there are plenty of better women for him, ditches her, and Fortuona is subsequently overwhelemed by half a dozen simultaneous assassination attempts. Much of the Seanchan end up killing each other or die via shadowspawn, especially anyone who still supports the sul'dam/damane slavery, but the rest rally around Mat. Mat says, 'That's nice, but you Seanchan are still crazy. If you want to follow me, join the Band and take up their ways.' They agree, and so the Seanchan as a whole die. Either that, or Rand, once he realizes the Seanchan will not give up the damane, does one of those random super channeling moves and creates a weave that spreads throughtout the world and instantly shatters every single a'dam, possibly killing the worst of the Seanchan in the process. He then laughs at Fortuona, tells her she can channel, and Mat comes to his senses and ditches her. Fortuona then dies by her own hand. The rest of the Seanchan are overtaken by Shadowspawn. Cads goes out in a blaze of glory. Gawyn dies protecting Elayne and Egwene at the same time. (Don't particularly care for him, but it would fit his character well.) With all the mentioning of Logain's glory over the course of the series, it seems almost too obvious for it to happen. I like the idea of him dying and his glory being something born via tales and stories. He dies holding back some BT plot until more help can arrive. And finally, for the DO's demise, to copy something I posted on a different thread, Rand dies. Perrin dies. In a last ditch effort, Nynaeve and Moraine force Mat to go to Shayol Ghul to confront the DO. Turns out the hat Lanfear sold Mat in TSR makes the wearer a movable True Power buffer, making the very channeling of the TP impossible. The DO, unable to attack, challenges Mat to a dice off for the world. Mat wins and sends the DO away to chill with the Aelfinn and Eelfinn. Their aversion to the shadow causes their world to collapse upon itself, killing them and DO. Oh, and at the end of the series, Rand, Mat and Perrin finally sit down and talk, realizing none of them have any clue about anything relating to women. This leads to a througouh examining of their love lives, to which Perrin follows Mat's lead and ditches Faile. Faile, having none of it, charges the three, only to fall through a bottomless pit that spontaneously opened due to the presence of the three ta'vern. Everyone lives happily ever after.
  9. I have no idea what the implications of that would be, or if it even works story wise, but that would be unbelievably awesome. Maybe a little late in the series for such a revelation, but still, would be fun.
  10. Lan, Rhurac, and the big 4 Aiel Wise Ones. Plenty of others I'd like to see survive as well, but of all characters, I see Lan and at least one of those five Aiel as the most likely to die and stay dead. Really hoping they all make it.
  11. Elayne's political arc probably would have benefited from being cut down. My biggest gripe (well, maybe besides the Sea Folk being Aes Sedai clones of the sea,) is tPoD. Take the first few chapters of that, the end of the Bowl of Winds arc, and make it the conclusion to aCoS, ending with Avi, Elayne and Birgette's escape from the Seanchan and gateway explosion. That would have put a more definitive end to aCoS then the 'wait, what happened to Samael?' ending. And honestly, the rest of tPoD could have been combined with Winter's Heart, fluff removed, and the combined book been better. (Probably.) I hate talking about changes to the WoT, simply because it is one of the greatest series of all time and I don't like placing myself in such a theoretical position, but if I could make one change that would not drastically alter anything major, that would be it. End aCoS with the beginning of tPoD, and combine the essentials of tPoD and WH.
  12. Yep, currently on LoC. This may sound a little strange, but I actually forgot just how good tEotW is. Still not as good as the series best, but can really give them a run for their money. (If memory holds for the rest of the series, I'd rank it fifth.)
  13. Would love to see this. Nyn would never do it, but it would be epic.
  14. Without giving it much thought... Moggy: Nynaeve seems fairly straight forward. Lanfear: I'll go out on a limb and say Moridin. The end of TOM was probably a ruse, but I can see her go all 'join me Lews Therin and together we can crush the DO and rule all!' Followed by Moridin promptly showing up and crushing her mindtrap. (Someone mindtrapped is going to die via it being crushed, just seems like something that has to happen on screen at least once.) Graendal/Hessalam: Not expecting much here. I feel like her story is pretty much up, she'll essentially be slightly significant fodder. No big scene, maybe a minor minor character killed before she dies, but mostly just quickly snuffed out. Going out a limb...Thom. Followed by a Moraine balefire. (Not expecting that one, but Thom deserves a Forsaken kill, or at least an assist.) Moridin: Rand. Or dies when Rand dies via link. Demandred: Could be anyone. If he kills someone significant, that characters significant other or close friend will do him in. Safest bet for his end is probably Rand, or maybe Moraine. (Or maybe Logain's glory is tied into stopping Dem and his armies after the BT storyline.) But he dies only after Mat outsmarts him in battle.
  15. Rand dies. Perrin dies. In a last ditch effort, Nynaeve and Moraine force Mat to go to Shayol Ghul to confront the DO. Turns out the hat Lanfear sold Mat in TSR makes the wearer a movable True Power buffer, making the very channeling of the TP impossible. The DO, unable to attack, challenges Mat to a dice off for the world. Mat wins and sends the DO away to chill with the Aelfinn and Eelfinn. Their aversion to the shadow causes their world to collapse upon itself, killing them and DO.
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