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  1. And Rand's revelation about the nature of the Wheel would've held more weight for me if it didn't feel like the Pattern manipulated him there as well. Cadsuane was prophesied to make him laugh again and she brought in Tam. Rand's revelation came from words Tam spoke. So Rand's changed viewpoint about how they really do have a choice comes from a situation where the pattern manipulated him into coming to that conclusion. Doesn't that just feel... mean? and like it's missing the point of Rand's realization entirely?
  2. That last bit is how I eventually ended up looking at it. But as a result it makes me see the shadow as the underdogs. It's not whether they can win, but how close they can come to winning. The downside of that is that once the heroes start winning then you might as well put it down since you knew it was coming XD Would in's prophecy about Siuan count as what you said?
  3. I find it hard to buy Pattern induced stuff as true "danger". So Mat being hung meant nothing to me. The Pattern knew that Rand would save him else it would've just ended up killing it's own general. That's been a problem of the series forever. The Pattern made everything happen. Because everything was part of some prophecy. Even some of the Dark One's actions facilitated parts of the prophecy, and I thought he was meant to be exempt from the pattern, so how come the taint effected Rand in that one specific way that gave him the knowledge he needed to defeat the Dark One. It could've made him have the mind of a 3 year old. But no, it gave him Lews Therin's memories. If there was one thing I would've changed if I were writing this series. I would've had some moment where the Pattern went completely off the rails. Like, some element of the prophecy failed to happen because of the Dark One's tampering. Like Elayne's babies would've died for instance. That would've hammered in that the Pattern isn't exactly set in stone and things can change. It's hard to buy the "everyone has a choice. Everyone has a say" idea when the choices are death or assured victory. It's an expanded version of what I call "The Avatar Principle" named after The Last Airbender series. Aang in that series has this ultra powerful super mode called the Avatar State that lets him call upon tremendous power but at a supposed extreme risk. If he gets killed during it he loses and will never be reincarnated. Now, the problem with making the stakes so be all and end all and binary like that are that we KNOW that nothing will harm the Avatar State unless it's dramatically convenient, and it's such a powerful mode that it never really struggles or gets endangered in any way outside of such a dramatically pivotal moment. So it feels like an instant win button. The Pattern is an instant win button. It knows who will win, who will lose, when they will lose and where. It knows how to help soothe someone's mental state when they're on the verge of breaking, and it knows when someone is selfless enough to sacrifice themselves. It is NEVER wrong once throughout the entire series. Because events have absolutely no give in any way. If anyone fails at any time then the whole structure of the story falls apart. So you don't believe that ANYONE is in any danger of failing precisely because everyone is so essential to keeping the plot going. So why should I believe the Shadow might win this time when up against a power like that? "All prophecies are naught in the face of the Shadow" but where is that EVER shown? Even in the smallest of ways? edit: Sorry, that was a rant and a half. But it's been brewing inside me for the entire time I was reading the series.
  4. I guess it might be fitting that Demandred was essentially taken down finally by one of the only people who did work hard for all of his abilities in this series. Lan.
  5. Indeed. When I say Mat is probably 'better' than Demandred, that's just in terms of pure skill. It doesn't take into account any other factors. Just because Mat is more gifted, doesn't necessarily make him invulnerable. It's pretty rash to say just because Mat was the better strategist, it negates everything and there was no point of Demandred being General. If Demandred hadn't been commanding the forces of the Shadow, it wouldn't have been close at all. The 4 armies sent out at the beginning of the book likely would have held far better and not suffered such casualties, Mat could have taken command and wiped the floor with the Shadow and called it a day. There's also the fact that Demandred wasn't actually really trying to 'win' the war. He didn't care about the Shadow's victory. He was trying to bait Rand. That's why he gave Sarkarnen to Taim, and didn't just take everyone out. Demandred wanted to win - as surprising as it may be for one of the Forsaken - fairly against Lews Therin. Also, Mat didn't 'win'. Demandred died. He had already destroyed the Light far enough that the greatest military mind couldn't save them, only buy them time to have a miracle occur. I'm not sure how this makes Demandred look bad, just because Mat is a more skilled strategist in the technical sense. The battle that literally decided the fate of the world hinged on one factor: Mat admits towards the end that he can't hold out much longer, and only one thing could save them. Killing Demandred. One man literally held the power to win/lose the Last Battle. See how after his death, everything basically broke down and the Shadow was disorganised and routed. If that doesn't show the power of one of the Forsaken, I don't know what does. I think it's just because his general skills were what was built up so much. It wasn't his channeling prowess nor his skill with a sword. It was his ability to command an army. It'd be like if you had a story where the main villain was one of the world's greatest swordsmen and spent the whole story mentioning it without demonstrating it, but then had his final fight against the hero happen with the hero limping and with a busted sword. and have the hero still hold his own. It might just be me, but having the heroes fight with a handicap just makes the villain look worse, because it implies that on an even battle field the fight would be far different and just makes the hero look awesome for winning against the odds. Again, it might just be me, but I don't want Mat to look impressive because I don't think he deserves his skills. Again, it only bugs me with Mat. It didn't bother me that Lan was heavily fatigued when he fought Demandred for instance.
  6. I think he was. Mat's whole strategy was based being grossly out-numbered and despite this he came up with and executed a plan that countered Dem at every turn while maintaining a position to turn the tables on a break. Both Generals knew that Mat had to gamble for that break and was going to be on the defensive the whole time while Dem only had to control and wear down. I think that Mat gave his side a chance that Dem himself couldn't have provided if the situations were reversed. Either way, I very much doubt that Dem, who was only about 400 years old (born the day after LTT remember), was Mat's (around 1500 years of battles in his head) equal. Doesn't that kinda demean Demandred? Who was built up as the biggest threat in the whole book and probably the only Forsaken who lived up to his fearsome reputation? I mean, if he was infinitely inferior to Mat then why did the book even bother with him? Why even build him up as a GENERAL if he can't even remotely match the heroes? Just have any old person command the forces of shadow if raw power was the only thing they had going for them. SOrry, I'm so so so so so so so so so SOOOOOOOOOO bitter about Mat being that much better than Demandred. Like, my hands are trembling on this keyboard
  7. Well, it's Aginor's main claim to fame. And given how I like my villains competent... I'll take it Not like Aginor got to do anything in the actual events of the series.
  8. I just like my villains competent. And because of Mat's nature he just makes a lot of them look bad. Primarily the Gholam.
  9. Well, I can't disagree with you about Mat kinda cheating. Although I would say that it's not as simple as "anyone can have resources". You have to be skilled enough to use them well. Still, that's only a minor point. To be clear, the BOOKS never state Mat is better. In fact, Mat believes that they are equal in skill. Mat being more skilled is simply my view, as I can't see how his memories and luck would only just equal Demandred's own skill, with only 10 years of first-hand military experience. However, it may be that this was supposed to be the case, and they were indeed equal. My word isn't necessarily correct. It is true that Mat's story is somewhat lighter than Rand or Perrin's, and although I didn't get any "holy crap" moments with Mat like we did with Rand, however, Mat certainly had character development, just not in such a dramatic fashion. First of all, Mat was arguably the stupidest of the original fellowship, what with nearly getting himself killed by picking up a dagger. He also nearly got himself killed again messing around with the Finns. If it wasn't for Rand, he would have been dead (3 times, at least. The Darkhound, being hung, and toasted by Rhavin). Mat's growth was from early immaturity and doing stupid crap, developing some sense and stop running away from responsibility. All of the cast mature and get more responsible though. So it isn't anything that's unique to Mat. It might be that his situation is similar to Egwene's. Egwene's low point is really early on in the series. From there she pretty much becomes perfect and undefeatable. Mat feels a bit like that. Flaws in his character don't lead him into problems after book 5, it's just the plot forcing him into situations because of his Ta'vereness
  10. I mean, I get that this is a series where none of the main characters earn a god damn thing, and with everything else I've just come to accept it. But not with Mat. Military intellect is something I hold very dear, and someone getting that for absolutely jack diddly and ending up being infinitely better than ANY of the villains is unforgivable. As I said, being equal I might have accepted out of necessity, but not FAR better.
  11. I don't care about resources. I care about individual skills. And Demandred not being allowed to be as skilled a strategist as Mat because of complete crap that Mat didn't do a flaming thing to earn really does take away from him. ANYONE can have resources. It says nothing about the skills of the characters. I'd be fine if Mat and Demandred were EQUALS but no, you just said MAt was BETTER than him by a wide margain. Better for unfair reasons that are complete shit... (sorry, getting worked up. I utterly despise Mat's military prowess) And I personally went holy crap at the rout of the White Tower forces but I mean Mat HIMSELF having a Holy crap moment. Those moments make me LIKE characters. Because it shows that they aren't as good as they think they are and there's room for improvement.
  12. Now I'm just remembering book 5 and how Mat's plan to open up gateways to blast them with the Dragons would've ended in disaster had Demandred been alive Back in that book it as mentioned that Demandred is one of the only people who could hold Gateways open. I'm just imagining this nightmare of them popping open to blow him up and him just grabbing the gateway to hold it open and flooding the cave with fire. It is slightly dissapointing that villains are never really allowed to pull off cool tricks and plans that actually work the way heroes do. Like, Demandred was always winning but he never really outmaneuvered Mat. From the beginning Mat's entire plan was to slowly lose and hope that things would work out. So i didn't even get to see a "Holy crap" reaction from him that one would see if he was drastically outmaneuvered. It's not bad by any means. Just dissapointing. Mat to me always felt like the Ta'veren who had it easy compared to the others. His life relied on luck far more than the others' did and he didn't earn anything he was given. EVEN MORE UNFORGIVABLY SO than the others. Sure, Rand was born powerful but he still learned from Moiraine, he still learned from Asmodean, he was still pushed to the brink of becoming pure evil and destroying the world. Perrin also had the wolf powers but he was always wrestling with himself over them and had to learn control and stuff from Hopper. Mat just felt like he wandered into everything and whined about it. He didn't learn anything. Nor did he have any character quirks that he NEEDED to grow out of because they spelt disaster, like Rand's egotism and insanity or Perrin's reluctance to be a leader. Maybe it's just me but throughout the entire series Mat just felt dissapointingly used. His stories held LESS tension than the others (and tension is a big isssue with this serie anyway because of the Pattern) because he had MORE luck on his side than the others and the story never did anything with it until book 13 where the pursuit of the Aelfinn kept Mat from using utterly "blind" luck to save them. He robbed the Gholam from interacting with the rest of the cast. And his fights with it were never interesting because he had a foolproof method and luck to keep it from getting at him. Even in their final fight I never bought that it had a CHANCE of winning. It only landed a glancing hit on Mat and Mat himself looked to be more inconvenienced by the fire in the building than by the Gholam itself. Mat is also paired off with - admittedly - the most morally grey character in the whole series. But he has no issues with Tuon. He seems to love all the stuff which infuriates me about her. Like her controlling, calculating nature. Mat is also FRIENDS with Aes Sedai yet never brings up having Damane as a big deal to Tuon. It kinda just makes me feel less of him when he doesn't give a crap about the plight of Aes Sedai turned Damane. Either out a sense of self preservation or out of liking Tuon too much. Maybe on it's own this aspect wouldn't be too annoying, but when you combine the other stuff I don't like about him then it just makes me want to throttle him. Of course though, I'm crap at reading people. Always have been. So maybe I'm utterly wrong about everything I just said.
  13. Also, a more minor random example. I imagine Rand with his hair worked into a shoulder length ponytail
  14. The impression I got was that Tuon was meant to come back earlier. But Mog's compulsion of the generals encouraging them to want to leave and Tuon's own doubts kept her from returning until Min dealt with her. ANd if the Seanchan had been used from the very beginning then Demandred would've probably altered his strategy and probably fought more defensively. Mat's strategy seemed to hinge on needing Demandred to be agressive so he would bring all of his forces into the same area and thus could be surrounded.
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