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Zappa3837

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  1. In regards to the book "the Dragon Reborn": Was the merchant woman and her guards that rand killed (they approached him and asked if they could share his fire) just normal people, or dark friends? If they were just normal people, that makes him a murderer, so please tell me they were dark friends. I hope I just missed something.
  2. In regards to the book "the Dragon Reborn": Was the merchant woman and her guards that rand killed (they approached him and asked if they could share his fire) just normal people, or dark friends? If they were just normal people, that makes him a murderer, so please tell me they were dark friends. I hope I just missed something.
  3. Recently, while reading WOT (I'm on "Knife of Dreams"), I've finally become conscious of my innability to imagine what it means to look ageless. At first i thought it was sort of synonymous with unchanging youthfulness, but later on a distinction is made about the two when Siuan and Leane. There is probably some material describing agelessness that I either forgot about or didn't read it carefully enough. It's tough for me to keep everything together in a series as massive as WOT. Can anybody give me some quotes, or explain in your own words, what agelessness is supposed to be. Your help would be greatly appreciated, as I am having such a difficult time imagining what it looks like.
  4. "Crossroads of Twilight" has been the only one that didn't grab me. But it was all buildup, that was needed (at least I think it was).
  5. I have loved all the books so far, and I'm already almost finished with winter's heart. I really dig all of the politic-ing that has gone on in the last few books, and have really enjoyed getting to know the characters better. Do you think a lot of people's problem with these (approx. 7-10) is that there is not enough "action" for them?
  6. I loved both "Crown of Swords" and "Path of Daggers". I don't see what the problem is with these books
  7. Yes..books not involving lots of action which is most of the later books after Shadow Rising and before KoD are really boring. Anything involving Rand is always fun as he is either whacking forsaken ass or intimidating nobels,Aes Sedai or doing something cool with the power. same with mat except the part where he is stuck being a sex toy. The really boring books have a lot of Egwene,Faile and Elayne parts and filled with lots of smoothing of skirts,arcing of eyebrows and piercing gazes!! Ok, except books 5 and 6 are awesome! Rand's battle and then training with Asmodeon, Lanfear and Moiraine, Mat venturing through the redframe ter'angreal, Rand's capture, Ashaman and Dumai's Wells, much more...there's LOTS of good stuff in these two books. That's why I mentioned it's more so books 7-10 that tail off relative to the first 6. Speaking of Asmodeon, I really miss him. Wish Jordan would've kept him around. Definitely one of the most interesting characters in the series. Hopefully he gets brought back somehow.
  8. Just finished "Lord of Chaos", and I have never been more into the series as I am right now. So far as I am concerned, it just keeps getting better
  9. It was an interesting discussion, but as it turns out, I WAS WRONG. I sent George RR Martin an email asking him whether or not he used the title "Game of Thrones" as a tip of the hat to Jordan, and he replied: "I have given Jim (his real name) a tip of the hat with Lord Jordayne of the Tor, and another with Archmaester Rigney. The game thing is not that, however." He wrote me back within 15 minutes, which says a lot for him, especially considering the inordinate amount of mail he must get.
  10. Yes. There are similarities between the two works, but most of them are things so generic they could come from any work of fantasy. There's nothing so specific that one must think of WoT as the source. It doesn't require a close read to know what the Game of Houses is. Anybody of at least average intelligence who skimmed "the Great Hunt" would have at least a working idea of what Daes Dae'mar is. After all, one chapter of GH is entitled "Daes Dae'mar" Plus, the book came out six years before "Game of Thrones", and most likely well before Martin was too wrapped up in ASOIAF to read at least the first two WOTs. I'm not aware of Martin having read WoT. Certainly not when he started writing ASoIaF, and he doesn't really have the time now. If he hasn't read it, your point falls rather flat, doesn't it? Now, if you were talking about similarities between Martin and Tad Williams, you might have a point as GRRM has read Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. You actually help make my point. The fact that "politics" or "political intrigue" have each gone by many names actually makes it LESS likely that Jordan and Martin would converge on almost identical names for two very similar types of goings-on, and more likely that one borrowed from the other. No, it doesn't. It could just as easily indicate they were both inspired by the same source - the Great Game, for example.Good point, that would definitely help make sense out of it, if they had both drawn from the same source. But the only "Great Game" I know of came out in '92, two years after "The Great Hunt" was published. You do not understand correctly. The tip of the hat is in reference to Martin having a Lord Trebor Jordayne of the Tor, and an Archmaester Rigney - both clear references to RJ. he also has a Lord Vance. But, again, Martin was grateful to RJ for the cover quote he gave AGoT, but I'm not aware of him having read the series. And if he hasn't read any of the books, then there really is no basis for saying that he copied anything off RJ. There are swords in history as well. Clearly history is just a cheap rip off of WoT.
  11. Very clever! Yes, every fantasy novel has it's own Jesus Christ. However, While your reply does have rhetorical appeal, and no doubt several people got a laugh or two out of it, you seem to have missed my point. My point wasn't that Martin deals with some of the same themes as Jordan (or for that matter, several of the same themes common to nearly all fantasy novels), it was that he deals with some of the same themes AND gives at least one of these an almost identical name to the one Jordan uses in WOT. Could this be a coincidence? Absolutely, it just seems unlikely. Also, I haven't, and wouldn't, use language like "rip-off" to describe what I believe Martin did; nor do I think he should be in any way ashamed of it. I'll say it again, I think it is quite respectable to pay homage to an influence. As an aside, I actually happen to enjoy Martin quite a bit more than I do Jordan, even though I love both.
  12. "Omigod! They use swords in Song and there's swords in WoT! Shameful!" = childish/bad analogy And I never said anything about Martin's borrowing from Jordan/paying Jordan homage being shameful. Quite the opposite, I think it's honorable to acknowledge one's influences.
  13. You actually help make my point. The fact that "politics" or "political intrigue" have each gone by many names actually makes it LESS likely that Jordan and Martin would converge on almost identical names for two very similar types of goings-on, and more likely that one borrowed from the other. If I understand "Well, no one ever said he can't give a nod, Never." correctly as saying that Martin may be paying homage to Jordan by using a similar name to refer to a similar type of phenomena (or something to that effect), or giving Jordan a "nod" or tip of the hat, I completely agree with you. I think that is exactly what he is doing, and Martin even mentions that he often does this kind of thing (Lol, He actually says: "I do that kind of shit all of the time" 47:52 )
  14. It doesn't require a close read to know what the Game of Houses is. Anybody of at least average intelligence who skimmed "the Great Hunt" would have at least a working idea of what Daes Dae'mar is. After all, one chapter of GH is entitled "Daes Dae'mar" Plus, the book came out six years before "Game of Thrones", and most likely well before Martin was too wrapped up in ASOIAF to read at least the first two WOTs.
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