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  1. Samaael was a special villain. He cared about his profession.
  2. I read the interview in which Robert Jordan explained why the Forsaken were ineffective in the battle at Shadar Logoth, and I find that it makes sense. However, why are all of the Shadow's minions and efforts so pathetically useless? The Dark One wants chaos - okay, why not order his minions to become serial killers who kill at random? That should be guaranteed to cause more chaos than what they've been doing so far, and, in my opinion, it would certainly be more threatening to people who walk in the Light than the stupid schemes that have been going on so far. Granted, Graendal and Demandred had some significant successes, and I guess Mesaana and Aran'gar were doing a good job breaking the White Tower, but still... Why hadn't the Forsaken balefired Perrin long ago? Seriously, how difficult could it be for Graendal, Lanfear, Moghedien, or even Moridin using the True Power to create a gateway into a hill overlooking Perrin's encampment in any of books 8-13, and simply balefire his tent? Moridin and Lanfear know how to track the ta'averen, so it's not like it's hard to find him. Why haven't the Forsaken simply been assigned to gateway into random cities and rain chaos and destruction for a few minutes, and then jump out? Who could stop those kinds of hit-and-run attacks, even with wards? It just seems like the Shadow has this enormous network that can be called upon at any time by the Forsaken to do specific tasks, and the Forsaken, particularly Moridin, simply sit around and scheme. What have Lanfear and Moghedien been doing for the past 6 books?
  3. I read the interview in which Robert Jordan explained why the Forsaken were ineffective in the battle at Shadar Logoth, and I find that it makes sense. However, why are all of the Shadow's minions and efforts so pathetically useless? The Dark One wants chaos - okay, why not order his minions to become serial killers who kill at random? That should be guaranteed to cause more chaos than what they've been doing so far, and, in my opinion, it would certainly be more threatening to people who walk in the Light than the stupid schemes that have been going on so far. Granted, Graendal and Demandred had some significant successes, and I guess Mesaana and Aran'gar were doing a good job breaking the White Tower, but still... Why hadn't the Forsaken balefired Perrin long ago? Seriously, how difficult could it be for Graendal, Lanfear, Moghedien, or even Moridin using the True Power to create a gateway into a hill overlooking Perrin's encampment in any of books 8-13, and simply balefire his tent? Moridin and Lanfear know how to track the ta'averen, so it's not like it's hard to find him. Why haven't the Forsaken simply been assigned to gateway into random cities and rain chaos and destruction for a few minutes, and then jump out? Who could stop those kinds of hit-and-run attacks, even with wards? It just seems like the Shadow has this enormous network that can be called upon at any time by the Forsaken to do specific tasks, and the Forsaken, particularly Moridin, simply sit around and scheme. What have Lanfear and Moghedien been doing for the past 6 books?
  4. Basically, all of "Into the Stone", in "The Dragon Reborn". Pure gold there. It did that, but that was no particular comfort. The sides of the Stone looked like cliffs. Eyeing the height again, he told himself he should be able to climb it. Of course, I can. Just like those cliffs in the Mountains of Mist. Over a hundred paces straight up before there was a battlement. There must be arrowslits lower down, but he could not make them out in the night. And he could not squeeze through an arrowslit. A hundred bloody paces. Maybe a hundred and twenty. Burn me, even Rand would not try to climb that. But it was the one way in he had found. Every gate he had seen had been shut tight and looked strong enough to stop a herd of bulls, not to mention the dozen or so soldiers guarding very nearly every last one, in helmets and breastplates, and swords at their belts. Suddenly he blinked, and squinted at the side of the Stone. There was some fool climbing it, just visible as a moving shadow in the moonlight, and over halfway up already, with a drop of seventy paces to the pavement under his feet. It was a soft boot, laced to the knee, that rested on his arm: It tugged at his memory. Something about a man met in mountains. He eyed the night-cloaked shape the rest of the way up, trying to make out the cut and colors of his clothes - they seemed all shadow, colors that blended with the darkness too well to see them clearly - past a long-bladed knife at the fellow’s waist, right up to the dark veil across his face. A blackveiled face. Black-veiled. Aiel! Burn me, what are bloody Aiel doing here! He had a sinking feeling in his stomach as he remembered hearing that Aiel veiled themselves when they killed. The spears were pulled back, and hands hauled him to his feet. He shook them away and brushed himself off as if he were standing in a common room instead of on a night-cloaked rooftop with four Aiel. It always paid to let the other man know you had a steady nerve. The Aiel had quivers at their waists as well as knives, and more of those short spears on their backs with cased bows, the long spear points sticking up above their shoulders. He heard himself humming “I’m Down at the Bottom of the Well,” and stopped it. “My name is Juilin Sandar, and I am a thief-catcher, and I would know why you are on the rooftops, staring at the Stone.” Mat shook his head. How many bloody people are on the roofs tonight? All that was needed was for Thom to appear and play his harp, or someone to come looking for an inn.
  5. That's an excellent comment. I suppose we could retroactively rationalize that Lanfear actually did use compulsion on Asmodean, but decided not to tell Rand and Asmodean about it for some reason.... On the other hand, we don't know Lanfear's skill level with compulsion. She could have been far from Graendal, and even if she inverted the weaves she might have ended up making Asmodean into an obedient thoughtless drone - a poor teacher.
  6. No actually, if the hole was drilled in TAR then it still would have appeared in the real world thus causing the explosion Really? so when Rand is fighting Rahvin in TAR, and Ishamael, all the damage they did would be in the real world? I would like to see the chapter you read on both those fights where the damage was in the real world. Every thing we know of TAR, says no!! We only know that conventional methods in affecting the real world through Tel'aran'rhiod don't work, but let's face it. The Bore, and Shayul Ghul - well, some weird shit happens there. Who knows what kind of a shockwave opening the Bore in Tel'aran'rhiod would have? Besides, Shayul Ghul isn't exactly the ideal site for your office building.. Pretty sure if the Bore was opened up on the Sears Tower, teh tower would stop working properly. Also, check out the fantastic quote from Herid Fel about the sealing of the Bore, where he suggests that maybe the Dragon isn't the one to do the sealing: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/67387-stalemate/page__view__findpost__p__2163850
  7. So we have confirmation that the Fisher changes sides all the time and there are three ways to win. The “bloody melee” is presumably Ishamael's last all-out attmpt to kill the boys in TDR and all we need to figure is what getting the Fisher to “a square of your color behind your opponent's end of the board” and the “goal-row” represent. There are lots of other implications that can be drawn from this quote, and the paragraphs after - here is one that struck me The Fisher is not black, or white, or some neutral grey, he's black-and-white. And if the Fisher is the DR, which is Moridin's piece? Do they take it in turns to be the Fisher? Turning the DR appears to be no great achievement in the game, so is the idea to turn the Fisher both black and white? As in linked, joined together, “the two must be as one”? And the winner is declared according to which colour square he's standing on at the time? Fantastic posts, guys. The first time I read about the game in Path of Daggers, I didn't catch all the references. Awesome. I don't think that Ishamael is another Fisher or part of the Fisher though. To me it seems that Ishi is just another councelor.
  8. I like the points that Paul, suttree, and futurehermit have made. I think the fundamental problem in these storylines simply was that they was that Jordan didn't somehow separate them into individual stories. In each of the books 7-10, you spend about 1 chapter for every storyline just setting up the exposition and mood for the characters on the set. With so many important storylines (Elayne's ascension/Bowl of the Winds), Egwene's drudgery, Rand's southern campaigns and the Cleansing, Perrin's hunt for Masema and then Faile), Jordan kept writing a lot of exposition in each book. The problem was that Jordan knew that by the time the new book rolled around, most readers would have forgotten who Maigdin and Lini were, and who was Merrilille, so he always gave repetitious setup for those characters. After going back and rereading those 4 books these past couple months, I read them along plotlines - and it's really frustrating. The problem, however, is that sometimes, there are important clues about what's happening in one plotline by what's happening in another. The fact that by book 7, the heroes now have telephones (Tel'aran'rhiod) and airplanes (Gateways) makes it difficult to keep these guys distinct if they're all happening at the same time. Also, frankly, I would have just as soon have lived without book 10.
  9. The Dark One is the Dovah'kin? It all makes sense now. He's got to doom Randland so that he can be free to save Skyrim! *cough* [/unsubstantiated non-theory] It would make a sort of sense. I'm not saying I'm behind the theory mind, just that it's plausible enough that I don't think it justifies some of the scorn it's already copped. Let's break it down. To handle the battlefield tactics we have one of the three: Mat Cauthon, possessor of luck and the knowledge of generations of generals. For the magics, the breaking of the seals and making the signs come to pass we have Rand Al'Thor: Only guy with the right mix of power and crazy to take on the supernatural being of ultimate evil. For growing a beard and showing up with some wolves we have Perrin Aybara, the third of the central Taver'en(sp): He just happens to be the most powerful walker of TAR alive (possibly ever) and have a mind for intricate puzzles and a love for order... Lucky he was there to represent bearded males I guess! Thanks! I had another thought about this: Why are the wolves so important to the Last Battle? In the related texts of wolves and the Last Battle, "it is said that wolves will fight alongside men", and wolves themselves recognize that it's important for them to be there for the Last Hunt. You hear this pretty much every second time Perrin speaks to them. That said, though, how much of an impact can the wolves really make? (I still can't understand how a 10-foot tall murderous behemoth armored and armed to the teeth can be killed by a 120-pound grey wolf....) ...but, wolves are strong in Tel'aran'rhiod. Maybe not as effective/strong as Perrin is now, but still a force to be reckoned with. ...and every time a wolf dies in the waking world, the wolf goes to Tel'aran'rhiod.* *See Terms and Conditions for extenuating circumstances. A neat little ace in the hole if RJ planned for the wolves to be the tipping point in the effort to seal the Bore in Tel'aran'rhiod, by having them effectively popping up in force in the place, when their presence might be needed to help the team seal the Bore. Side note: Rand needs two women to help him wield Callandor: Nynaeve and...Egwene. No idea where Alivia comes in to play. *Terms and Conditions Wolves do not get to got Tel'aran'rhiod under the following circumstances: Wolf dies due to balefire Wolf dies due to Darkhound Wolf dies due to Slayer (possibly) Wolf dies due to having its soul sucked out by a Drakhar Wolf dies due to having its soul sucked out by Mashadar (possibly) Wolf dies due to having its soul sucked out at Shayol Ghul in some other weird manner
  10. Firstly, I'd like to apologize if this theory has already been mentioned, perhaps in a different form. However, I truly welcome insightful feedback, and in advance I thank everyone for reading this post. My speculation below is merely one way that the books can end, but I'd like to discuss the viability. A few points I'd like to lay out to make my case: 1. Lews Therin failed to properly reseal the bore last time, when he used the One Power. Rand speculates that this was because only saidin was used. (His alter-ego "Lews Therin", however, suggests that the fundamental problem is that "Something" has to touch the bore/the Dark One in order to seal him.) 2. Mierin Eronaile (a.k.a. Lanfear) together with another Aes Sedai named Beidomon, was responsible for creating the Bore into the Dark One's prison. Lanfear claimed that Tel'aran'rhiod was her domain (TDR, Ch. 36). In other words, she knew very well what she was doing when she went there. She knows about the Portal Worlds, (TGH, Ch. 16). 3. The Shadow wanted to convert Rand al'Thor, and, though its forces weren't always consistent on this point, Ishamael, the Shadow's one and only philosopher darkfriend, believed (I think) that killing Rand would not ensure utter victory. Ishamael has claimed on more than one occasion that Rand has in the past been defeated by the Shadow. 4. Perrin seems to have been relegated to a somewhat underwhelming role as a counter to Slayer and his Darkhounds. 5. Rand and Egwene have learned to enter Tel'aran'rhiod "in the flesh", as of book 5...and the seemingly interesting and powerful way of affecting Tel'aran'rhiod hasn't been exploited by anyone other than Slayer since then. Perhaps Perrin and Tel'aran'rhiod are the solution to seal the bore in a way that doesn't involve "touching" the Dark One. (Perhaps this is even how Perrin fulfills the Dark Prophecy of his demise.) Perhaps this is how the Bore is sealed, by something beyond simple human channeling of a "patch" on the bore. Perhaps it is significant that Lanfear, one of the two to open the can of worms, was so knowledgeable in the Portal Stones and, supposedly, Tel'aran'rhiod. Perhaps this was how she and Beidomon opened up the Bore? Perhaps the reason why the Dark One still was defeated in every age was because there was still someone to close the Bore. Lastly, perhaps the significance of the ability to travel to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh is the significantly greater extent to which the traveler gains the ability to affect this nexus of reality, something which Slayer and the dreamspike have shown to us. A far-fetched thought: Rand and Egwene can perhaps give access to Perrin to enter there even physically.
  11. Man - first off, the registration process on this forum blows like a hurricane..but back to the topic. I see a problem with the idea that Perrin will take up the Broken Crown of Saldea. While all of the foreshadowing does point to this end, how will we resolve the problem of Perrin having given his oath to Elayne that he (and his future kids?) would renounce any claim to the throne of Saldea? Perrin is a very honorable fellow, and although we can see how it might be advantageous for Perrin and Faile to augment Andor's might against the Seanchan war machine, Elayne as a ruler would be far more hesitant, i.m.o., to let her subject (who already has enormous leeway even by Andoran High-Lord standards) have so much power. After all, from Elayne's standpoint, if the province of Manetheren were to renounce its oath of fealty, it would have a good shot of a successful rebellion, if it had Saldea to back it. Remember, Elayne is fairly distrustful of Perrin and Faile. Also, Ruling two nations is tricky. Perrin would no doubt want to stay in Manetheren; a foreigner ruling the country of Saldea by remote? I grant that Traveling is now making transportation much easier, but I don't remember there being significant discussions of trade/skirmishes between Saldea and Andor. They are separated by long distances.
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