Burning out might only be a risk. As in, it's not 100% sure it'll happen. I believe Rand over the limit in VoG with the CK. But he came out of that just fine.

How could he, if the Choedan Kal are not flawed like Callandor?

Question, what exactly was ironic about Mat's price for having his memory filled be being hung from a black spear?

To what passage are you referring?

Huh, I always interpreted the shielding as 6 Aes sedai linked to form the shield. Am I incorrect? Is the shielding at the end of LoC really 6 individual shields woven together?

Definitely six separate Shields. They've tied them off at different times, each doing so only when her abilities were deemed necessary to fend of the Shaido. Otherwise there couldn't have been both hard and soft dots there at the same time.

So, then, the strength of the shields must stack upon one another? That is to say, the strength of the shield upon Rand must have been a sum of each of the individual shields. What would function would linking to form shield serve, as done in ToM?

About shielding, there were 6 shields on Rand when Eliada's embassy kidnapped him.

And I take that was the same for Logain both times he was shielded; and similarly on most saidin channelers the White Tower takes.

Huh, I always interpreted the shielding as 6 Aes sedai linked to form the shield. Am I incorrect? Is the shielding at the end of LoC really 6 individual shields woven together?

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So, he being trapped in another dimension breaks the bond (or whatever happens when an AS dies)? There's really no other explanation for it that I can see.

I think this is correct. It's seems the doorways are a connection between Rand Land and Finn Land. When the Rhuidean doorway melts, the connection is lost, and Lan's bond is broken.

 

As for Lan failing to go into a death rage, I believe that has more to do with the fact that his bond was transferred to Myrelle. He probably would have gone to Death Rage mode, except for the Myrelle transfer.

he kinda did anyways, he went into insane sword practice form

Sorry, I don't remember this. To what are you referring?

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So, he being trapped in another dimension breaks the bond (or whatever happens when an AS dies)? There's really no other explanation for it that I can see.

I think this is correct. It's seems the doorways are a connection between Rand Land and Finn Land. When the Rhuidean doorway melts, the connection is lost, and Lan's bond is broken.

As for Lan failing to go into a death rage, I believe that has more to do with the fact that his bond was transferred to Myrelle. He probably would have gone to Death Rage mode, except for the Myrelle transfer.

That is a very good point, Moraine at some point comments that while she is one of the most powerful in the Tower at that time, a few hundred years (I do not remember how long she said) earlier she would have barely been strong enough to attain the shawl. It is very possible that Nynave would not be considered very powerful in the Age of Legends and that she is actually not powerful enough to handle the CK safely, that is a possibility at least.

I would find it hard to believe Moiraine is correct in these statements. Lanfear is regarded as one of the strongest female channelers in the AOL. Nynaeve is just under her in strength. To think that Nyneave would not have been considered strong enough to attain the shawl seems a bit ridiculous. I think it much more likely that Moiraine was wrong in this assumption.

I have a question about something that took place in LoC. Alannna bonds Rand against his will and then later makes the comment to Verin that she wasn't able to compel him using the bond. Has the reason as to why she couldn't compel him been revealed yet? Did I just miss it?

 

AS can not use the "spirit" weave to compel a strong male channeler like she could a normal warder she is bonded to. The Ashaman bond however allows for compulsion with a thought to those they have bonded. No channeling required. That is the "extra bit" in the weave that Logain could do without.

 

She can, actually, so long as he is not holding saidin. It is only whilst 'wrapped in saidin'--as Rand was in that instant--that a man is immune to compulsion [as per Sammael's comment in LoC 6; Threads of Woven Shadow].

 

What about the RJ "she may have a hard time controlling him" quote? Has that been specified to mean while holding saidin somewhere I haven't seen? It seems to indicate strength is a factor. I thought the spirit weave in the bond and compulsion where separate things, much like the Ashaman "extra bit".

As I recall, the RJ quote says a weak Aes Sedai will have a hard time controlling a strong Male Channeling warder. And, as Luckers said, holding saidin prevent Alanna from using the spirit weave.

Perhaps, success with the spirit weave is a function of both strength in the OP and holding saidin, much like attempting to shield. As most of you should recall, shielding someone gets much more difficult if the person is already holding saidin/saidar. Maybe the spirit weave operates the same way. Maybe, an Aes Sedai of strength could use the weave if her male channeling warder is weak with saidin.

Hey Yoni (Or whoever)

 

Random question: Why did Avi hate Rand so much? (Was it because she saw that she would fall in love with him and she didn't want too)

That is my interpretation. Before entering the ring, Aviendha is neutral to Rand al'Thor. Then she goes through the rings and when she returns she gives him a scowl of pure hatred. Clearly she saw that she would love Rand al'Thor.

The reason Aviendha is so bothered by her impending love for Rand, is a mix of ji'e'toh and a promise. Aviendha is very prickly about her honor. She always pays her dues. So when she promises Elayne that she would watch Rand al'Thor and make sure no woman takes him from her, she means it. But in the rings, she sees that she will violate this promise, not only once, but twice! She will let Rand fall for another woman, and that woman will be her! She blames Rand for this; where else could the blame lay? She does not want to love him, and does not want him to love her. It must be his fault, he must be the cause of it, so she hates him for it.

Edit: BBM beat me to it.

From the Interview Database.

 

INTERVIEW: Apr 20th, 2004

 

TOR Questions of the Week Part I (Verbatim)

WEEK 13 QUESTION

 

Is the White Tower currently aware of any way to completely dissolve/undo the bond between an Aes Sedai and her Warder so that the link no longer exists and all the positive and negative effects of the bond are removed?

ROBERT JORDAN

 

Yes, they are. It is called releasing a Warder, and an Aes Sedai who is very old or injured so badly that she knows she is going to die will, if she has the strength, release him so he doesn't suffer from her death. This does require the two of them to be together, and a little more time that laying on thebond. If they are physically apart, or she doesn't have enough time or strength remaining, touch on him.

 

It has also been used to get rid of a Warder who proved to be unsuitable in some way, such as a man who is discovered to be a thief or who takes reckless chances, a fighter of duels who won't stop without the bond being used to force him. No sister is going to want a Warder who will risk getting himself killed, with all the attendant results to her, for no very good reason.

 

Although use of the bond in that way (controlling) was not unknown in the past, it came to be regarded as a form of Compulsion to use it so except in the slightest forms. Besides, using the bond to control a Warder all the time is a lot of work. An Aes Sedai wants somebody who can watch her back and keep it safe, not somebody she has to work on all the time. (Which is one of the reasons Aes Sedai stopped bonding men against their will. Not ethical concerns or ethical growth, I'm afraid; it was just not very practical really.) Better simply to release the fellow who can't measure up and find another who will.

 

By the by, releasing a Warder except for cause (the Aes Sedai's imminent death, his own unsuitability) or because he has asked for release is something that JUST IS NOT DONE! It would gain the sister considerable opprobrium from other sisters. A sister certainly would be looked at askance if she released a Warder who was dying, for example, just to avoid the effects on her of his death. When an Aes Sedai bonds a Warder, she is expected to buy in for the full ride. For that matter, releasing him for unsuitability is considered to reflect on the sister's judgment. She should have known better about him from the start.

Edit: Sweet Jesus, fixed the formatting

Yes. Sammael refers to men being immune to compulsion in LOC 6.

Ahh thanks. There goes my theory that Warder Obedience is strictly a function of willpower. Guess it is both.

They are only immune to it while holding saidin. As for controlling him, Moir said that Lan was like a lion held by a thread. You get a guy with a very strong personality as warder you are going to have to work hard to keep him in line, and if you are AS you are used to doing what you are told.

Has this been confirmed? Can anyone post evidence for this? As far as I can tell, this was a theory to explain why the Warder Obedience didn't work on Rand.

Indeed, apart from the fact the holding saidin gives channeling men an added resistance, it is more to do with strength of will rather than channeling, and the relationship between the pair. For Rand, it was easy to resist because of his strong will (not exactly ta'veren and Dragon Reborn, but a huge amount of mental strength comes with it) and the fact that she bonded him against his will. While even the 3 girls wouldn't be able to control him, they would have an easier time than Alanna.

Hmm I could see this. Instead of control being a function of strength in the one power, it would be a function of will power. It makes sense with Lan, who initially resists Myrelle's Obedience. And your explanation for Rand makes sense too. Rand was able to resist due to his strength of will. We all know he is stubborn, and perhaps his practice with handling the One Power also increases his strength of will.

Here is a quote on the warder bond, I think you were thinking of the Domination Band, which, if the male is strong, can eventually control the women who hold the bracelets.

 

 

INTERVIEW: Oct 4th, 2005

Robert Jordan's Blog: ONE MORE TIME

 

 

ROBERT JORDAN

 

A very strong male channeler bonded to a very weak Aes Sedai could not use the bond to control her. Whoever holds the bond is in charge, though she might have a hard time controlling him.

This line by Robert Jordan confuses me. What does he mean by "controlling him"? I was under the impression that Spirit Coaxing doesn't work on men who can channel. But this statement seems to imply a spectrum of control. A spectrum dependent on the channeling strength of the bondee. It could range from men who can't channel to men who can channel very strongly. Men who can't channel (pre-DR Warders) have little to no ability to fight the Spirit Coaxing, while men who can channel strongly (Rand al'Thor) are practically immune to the Spirit Coaxing.

Of course, I have nothing to back this theory up. We haven't seen the point of views of any warders or sisters who are bonded with partners of similar strength. But I think it would be an interesting development in world of WoT.

Did we ever find out if one oath rod will remove the oaths from another oath rod?

Tuon says it straight out after the marriage.

"Love?" Tuon sounded surprised. "Perhaps we will come to love one another, Matrim, but I have always known I would marry to serve the Empire."

And I could see the "Ties to unconquered lands" benefit making sense. Having a husband from Randland would make Tuon more agreeable to people of lands she may conquer.

What does having Mat as Prince of the Ravens offer the empire?

-Tuon says she married to serve the empire, so Mat must offer something

-Mat's a good general, but just cause he's married doesn't mean he has to serve the empire. In fact he expects that the next time he sees Seanchan, he will be fighting them.

The only other explanation is that Tuon married him strictly due to the foretelling, and that he does not offer anything. She waits until she is set free to finally pull the trigger on getting married.

"Beware the fox that makes the ravens fly, for he will marry you and carry you away. Beware the man who remembers Hawkwing's face, for he will marry you and set you free. Beware the man of the red hand, for him you will marry and none other."

Can anyone else explain why Tuon married Mat?

Dismissed, no. I just personally find it to be unlikely. Partly that's because I find the seal-breaking interpretation to be lacking, but partly it's because I doubt Egwene and crew will watch over Rand in any way while he does it.

I also find the seal-breaking interpretation to be lacking, as you put it. If BS or RJ wanted us to know the dream was related to breaking the seals, they would have had Egwene know how to interpret the dream immediately. It has happened to her many times before, where her knowing comes to her either within the dream, or just upon waking.

Instead, we don't get her trying to force the dream into her logic for not breaking the seals.

Break the seals? She saw the image from her dream, Rand hacking at the ropes that bound the crystalline globe. "Rand, no," she said.

It comes off as a red herring. There have been many times the characters have made assumptions that are intended to mislead the fandom. The most prominent being Lan and Rand assuming Moiraine was dead. I think this is another one of those times.

I've seen it argued that the 23 is the number of light sided groups.

Found it.

http://13depository.blogspot.com/2002/03/it-does-add-up-number-symbolism.html

The AS method of healing is simpler and uses less Power, drawing on the life-force of the patient to heal the wounds/illness. AS in the AoL used it as a sort of "first-aid" or battlefield medicine so they could heal more people without overtaxing their Healers. Nynaeve's method uses more Power, all 5 Elements, and doesn't draw on the life-force of the patient, so it's capable of healing more grievous injuries and the patient recovers faster from the Healing.

Awesome. Thanks for this. I wasn't sure if it was explained in the books, and this is what I was looking for.

I haven't done any looking around for this answer, but I wanted to see if anyone had any answers before I tried to dig it out.

 

I was wondering, what are the advantages of Moiraine's method of healing? The original way of healing, before Nyneave rediscovered the way of healing with all 5 powers?

 

It was simpler, and thus easier for the everyday AS to use.

Do both weaves tire out the Channeler to the same extent? I seem to recall that Moiraine's method of healing was called a form of Battle healing. Can anyone back this up? I do not have the resources right now to find out.

I haven't done any looking around for this answer, but I wanted to see if anyone had any answers before I tried to dig it out.

I was wondering, what are the advantages of Moiraine's method of healing? The original way of healing, before Nyneave rediscovered the way of healing with all 5 powers?

In A Crown of Swords: Chapter 34 Ta'veren, Rand meets with the seafinders along with Min and some Aes Sedai to Bargain for his recognition as the Coramoor. Before heading into the cabin to discuss, Rand requires that Merana and Rafela be allowed to join him. The narration comments that he does not know why he chose Rafela, but most of the Aes Sedai appear to agree with the decision. I'm wondering why they think this way? Is there any reason Rafela was a better decision than any of the other Aes Sedai?

"Take what you want, and pay for it later"

Wow I just find it hard to believe that no sister in 3000 years has managed to discover that a stilled sister can lie. I can think of 6 Severed Aes Sedai in this story, and that's a 2 year span. Granted, its a time when the dragon reborn walks the world, and its supposed to be a pretty crazy time period. But 0 sisters were burnt out or stilled, and were willing to prove they can lie? Seems ridiculous.

Is it true all Aes Sedai lose their oaths when they are stilled? Would that mean the three Aes Sedai who were stilled at Dumai's Wells and Healed by Flinn can lie?