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A WHEEL OF TIME COMMUNITY

Vinny

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  1. I'm only in the 2nd book so I still love all the characters!
  2. The Mayans never said the world would end. People interpreting their calendar said that. So no worries!
  3. What did planet earth do to deserve such punishment...???
  4. Dude. here's what you do: you wait until the Anniversary Date to buy the book, then you open a bottle of champagne and have a little celebration, okay? We get it already!
  5. While there might have been an upswing in story development when BS took over, I've read passages from his volumes and there was definitely a severe plummet in prose quality. Let them take as long as they need to make this a book worth buying. It's going to be HC and really huge, it won't be cheap. I for one will appreciate it being the best book possible.
  6. PS: Over 300,000 words is physically painful to edit! The longest novel I've written was 130,000 words, and it was not fun getting it fully polished. 10 months to prep something three times that length is no piece of cake. After a while, you get to know the text too well, regardless of length, and your eyes just slide off the page; there are passages that have obvious problems but no obvious solution, there are passages that have obscure problems which nothing seems to fix. It takes time and patience to get a ms right. And who wants this to be a mistake? And I'm sure Harriet will want to do things like eat, breath, sleep, and enjoy life while she preps this massive ms for publication!
  7. Ya know, I'm only into Book2, so this doesn't effect me at all. I can say one thing, tho: I don't like Brandon's writing. So, for me, I think taking heaps of time to get the final book as close to Jordan-standard is a good thing. They should take all the time they need to ensure a publication of the highest quality. Brandon is clearly willing to work himself to collapse getting it right. Why waste his willingness to work extra hard? I applaud Harriet's decision to make this a memorable event, not just a rushed attempt to get it all over with. Savor this, guys. After 1/2013, the ride is really over.
  8. Yeah I don't see any big connections between these two series, apart from the fact that they are both big series. The tone is completely different. And martin seems to have strong political feelings, while Jordan is almost like an anthropologist, just showing these different nations as they are.
  9. For what it's worth, here's my take on the book covers "issue." I can understand why some fans don't like the DKS covers. If you're looking for literal illustration, they are certainly not going to provide that. When I picture the characters, they look nothing like the DKS versions, except for Moiraine, I think he got her face perfect. The eBook covers are perfectly fine. I can see why people like them. They are professional, modern in style, and apparently follow the texts closely. I like some of them a lot - I think "New Spring" is my favorite. However, I'm more a fan of Sweet's WOT covers. Firstly, there's nostalgia: some of my earliest memories of books are actually memories of DKS covers, that's a very deep personal connection to an artist. Secondly, I really do like his work -- his characters have a unique "look" that no other artist has, it is distinctive. The eBook covers are nice and streamlined and contemporary-looking, but to my mind, they will "date" a lot fast than the Sweet covers. Let me repeat that I respect them and I think the artists are talented -- but they look more "generic fantasy" to me than the Sweet covers. I like seeing real paint-strokes, I like the "faults" (or quirks, to me), I like the style of composition and lighting which come from classical illustration, particularly the Brandywine "school" (Howard Pyle, N.C. Wyeth, Maxfield Parrish etc.) and I like the influence that creeps in from his Western art, a genre I really love; I like Sweet's arms and armor, and I really love his landscapes, he was a very gifted landscape painter; I also like the continuity of having one artist for [sadly, almost] all the covers. Lastly, I don't think a book cover should be a literal, photographic illustration of a text. If the painting has the same level of quality as the book it is illustrating, then one acts as a companion to the other. My biggest complaint about the DKS covers is that he made Rand look like "Kreese" from the 1984 Karate Kid :P You can guess my least favorite DKS cover! However, apart from that, I think I prefer the original DKS covers. So, that's my take on the Sweet covers. I wish they had included both for the eBooks (that's what I'm reading) for fans of the originals, but I guess they didn't want to confuse new readers.
  10. As soon as I finish the new James Bond, the Steve Jobs bio & re-reading A Princess of Mars, I'm diving into TGH! I'll try to post more detailed notes on my reading this time around.
  11. PS: I also thought I'd add that I originally read EOTW because I was such a fan of his Conan novels in the 1980's. I keep meaning to get back to those but there never seems to be the time...
  12. To recap: I read The Eye of the World in 1990 and remember liking it, but I never read any of the further WOT volumes. Over the years, I became curious about the series, especially when my nephew started reading it through. I bought the last two volumes for him as Xmas presents and this opened up a lot of discussion about the series. I finally decided to give WOT a second chance last august and picked up EOTW. Due to various factors, it took me longer than expected to finish the novel, which I did last night. I remembered almost nothing of the story from 1990, it was like reading a new book. So here's my immediate response: Criticisms: 1. I could lighten this text by about 10,000 words, easily. Jordan has an awful lot of literary "tics" such as his overuse of "though" which softens passages that otherwise might have more impact. At least once a chapter there is an awkward turn of phrase. He uses the pointless descriptive "wordlessly" - if a character is silent, no authorial comment is necessary. It is never necessary to describe dialogue as anything more than "he/she said." 2. Jordan's nomenclature is inconsistent in quality; I'd say half of his invented words and names have a believable ring to them, the other half are either a little tinny (Cenn Buie) or are outright poor, such as "Dhoom." 3. Jordan accrues a great deal of narrative debt, but very little is paid off by the end of the novel. 4. Some parts of the text drag on, others seem to rush by with little or no detail. 5. Towards the end, characters lapse into Hollywood movie declamations, especially "No!" and two instances of the dreaded "Nooooo!" Compared to other fantasy novels (most of which I loathe with great passion) this is a very slight catalog of offenses. What I liked about the novel: Despite the above mentioned faults, Jordan could write. The text here is head and shoulders above contemporaneous fantasy novels. I can think only of Tad Williams and his "Memory, Sorrow & Thorn" trilogy as being equal in quality of prose for an "epic fantasy" of that era. What Jordan captured that eluded Williams was a real sense of depth, not only of invented history and lore, but of text - Jordan's text seems truly to have developed slowly, painstakingly, over time, you can feel the weight of his thought process in every sentence, sometimes with every word chosen. Jordan brings with him a weight of philosophy, as well. I have no doubt that he must have been both a deeply learned but also a deeply thoughtful man. His fictive world is fully imagined. Not in the canned RPG-manual way of Brandon Sanderson's truly unreadable opus "The Way of Kings," but after the manner of Faulkner and Tolkien; it is difficult to explain, but no mere accumulation of detail can achieve this effect, it is the result of something deeply rooted in a text, something not easily achieved. EOTW has that quality. By the end of the novel I completely believed in Jordan's world, its peoples and history, its languages and creatures. I think he particularly captured the glimmering, misty aura of the medieval romance perfectly - the stuff of medieval tapestries and Pre-Raphaelite paintings, the worlds of Malory and Scott and Tennyson. The novel is a real treat if the reader is familiar with various religious doctrines and myths and has read the great heroic sagas and romantic epics; a fair knowledge of world history helps as well. Lastly, to keep this brief, I will add that his characters are vivid and memorable, even the most archetypal of them live and breathe on the page as few "epic fantasy" characters ever do. My favorite characters: Rand al'thor (Jordan takes his time developing our young protagonist, but by the end of the novel, EOTW is Rand's story.) Moiraine (The female Gandalf! Wonderful!) Lan Thom Min Elyas Loial The Green Man (his appearance is all too brief!) The Eye of the World definitely deserves a place beside The Lord of the Rings, the Oz books, The Chronicles of Prydain, Gormenghast, Narnia, The Dark Is Rising, The Neverending Story etc. as one of the very best fantasy novels ever written. I look forward to reading it again one day. For now, it is on to "The Great Hunt"!!
  13. I read it in 1990 but all I remembered was the Two Rivers stuff & the fact that I liked it. So, yeah, it's all "new" to me!
  14. Padan Fain!! Pardon my French, but wtf?!?! The last character I was expecting to return!!
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