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  1. Seriously? I really hope that's a joke Look, the entire scenario that introduces these guys is presented from the PoV of a dying merchant. We're not in some third-person narrator's perspective for this, nor are we in the perspective of a character we could trust to properly interpret what they witness. The merchant thinks they're like fades, then that they're like Aiel. They have spears and red veils. They're encountered in the Borderlands near the Blight. The whole "Aiel" thing to me reads like a giant red-herring. There's a bunch of superficial similarities designed to make the reader think they're some kind of Aiel, heck Aiel are even directly mentioned. But it seems more likely to me that these guys have nothing whatsoever to do with Aiel, or at least no more to do with Aiel than with any other Randland culture. I think it's more likely that the big unknown thing up in the Blight is a human city whose residents are sworn to the Shadow. Similarities in their clothing and weapons with the Aiel can be explained by the fact that living in the Waste and living the Blight would be very similar. It's very hot, common objects like sticks and rocks can kill, potable water is scarce, and breathing the air can be dangerous or unpleasant at times. The true Aiel adopted veils to cover their faces when committing violence, to hide their shame in abandoning the Way of the Leaf. But they kept those veils in the Waste, when everybody but the chiefs and the Wise Ones forgot they ever followed the Way, because face-coverings are darned handy in a desert. They'd be equally handy in the Blight. Same thing with spears. They're a light, easily wielded and maneuverable weapon, ideally suited to both attack and defense, small enough to be useful in stealthy scouting operations, and robust enough to be a main weapon in outright battle. If I had to pick a weapon to defend myself from an attacker or to attack an enemy, and I had a spear, a sword, a stave, an axe and a hammer to choose from, I'd pick the spear every time. Basically, the circumstantial evidence that links these new bad guys to Aiel is way too circumstantial. We don't see anything really culturally unique to the Aiel reflected in these red-veiled warriors, and the weak circumstantial evidence we do get is given in such as way as to just scream out Red-Herring! That said, there is more evidence linking these guys to Aiel than there is evidence linking them to any kind of channelers, because there's none of that. There's no flames erupting from nowhere, or earthquakes rending the ground, or lightning striking nearby, or anything at all to indicate any kind of channeling, past or present. We don't know how the Borderguard fort was overrun, or whether channeling was used in destroying it or not. So, no evidence that they're channelers, and weak evidence to suggest any connection to Aiel, evidence that could easily be a red-herring. On the other hand, we know there's something big in the Blight and we know humans live in the Blight, but we've never seen them, only evidence of their existence in the form of farming Blight-resistant crops and the transplanted village. A simple matter of parsimony leads me to believe this is our first look at these Blight-natives. Yep, denizens of the Blight, but where did thye come from? Simple darkifriends? Some must surely be Aiel gone wandering into the Blight.
  2. The Shadow is in dire need of channellers though. There far more Aes Sedai and Ashaman on the Light's side than on the Shadow's side. It's likely to be around the same proportions with the Windfinders and Wise Ones (it's pretty unlikely any damane would be darkfriends). They're completely outnumbered. That's why I think Shara and the Ayyad is a good solution for the Shadow. A powerful nation with countless channellers to recruit. My first thoughts as well.
  3. Yeah, but it would be quite strangegiven the large distance between them and the Blight.. Travelling, Waygates (being capable of use by Dark forces) and Portal Stones mean that distance isn't the factor it once was... Oh yes, for some reason I forgot all about them lol
  4. Myddraal are sterile... Well the thing is that Myrddraal are still born, odd offspring of Trollocs (though we don't really know how trolloc's are born). If they are born it would imply there ARE children? Though these guys are not that clearly. The merchant thought they were Aiel so they must look like Aiel, borderlanders know what Aiel look like. We also know that Aiel have darkfriends. We also know that Aiel youth sometimes go to blight to go "hunting for trollocs" or some such. Needless to say some are captured, add to that the darkfriend Aiel who might betray some of these youth groups, some forced breeding. Tada, Aiel who are darkfriends, army of them to fight Rand's Aiel. Filed teeth might also mean cannibals ;). Seriously? I really hope that's a joke Look, the entire scenario that introduces these guys is presented from the PoV of a dying merchant. We're not in some third-person narrator's perspective for this, nor are we in the perspective of a character we could trust to properly interpret what they witness. The merchant thinks they're like fades, then that they're like Aiel. They have spears and red veils. They're encountered in the Borderlands near the Blight. The whole "Aiel" thing to me reads like a giant red-herring. There's a bunch of superficial similarities designed to make the reader think they're some kind of Aiel, heck Aiel are even directly mentioned. But it seems more likely to me that these guys have nothing whatsoever to do with Aiel, or at least no more to do with Aiel than with any other Randland culture. I think it's more likely that the big unknown thing up in the Blight is a human city whose residents are sworn to the Shadow. Similarities in their clothing and weapons with the Aiel can be explained by the fact that living in the Waste and living the Blight would be very similar. It's very hot, common objects like sticks and rocks can kill, potable water is scarce, and breathing the air can be dangerous or unpleasant at times. The true Aiel adopted veils to cover their faces when committing violence, to hide their shame in abandoning the Way of the Leaf. But they kept those veils in the Waste, when everybody but the chiefs and the Wise Ones forgot they ever followed the Way, because face-coverings are darned handy in a desert. They'd be equally handy in the Blight. Same thing with spears. They're a light, easily wielded and maneuverable weapon, ideally suited to both attack and defense, small enough to be useful in stealthy scouting operations, and robust enough to be a main weapon in outright battle. If I had to pick a weapon to defend myself from an attacker or to attack an enemy, and I had a spear, a sword, a stave, an axe and a hammer to choose from, I'd pick the spear every time. Basically, the circumstantial evidence that links these new bad guys to Aiel is way too circumstantial. We don't see anything really culturally unique to the Aiel reflected in these red-veiled warriors, and the weak circumstantial evidence we do get is given in such as way as to just scream out Red-Herring! That said, there is more evidence linking these guys to Aiel than there is evidence linking them to any kind of channelers, because there's none of that. There's no flames erupting from nowhere, or earthquakes rending the ground, or lightning striking nearby, or anything at all to indicate any kind of channeling, past or present. We don't know how the Borderguard fort was overrun, or whether channeling was used in destroying it or not. So, no evidence that they're channelers, and weak evidence to suggest any connection to Aiel, evidence that could easily be a red-herring. On the other hand, we know there's something big in the Blight and we know humans live in the Blight, but we've never seen them, only evidence of their existence in the form of farming Blight-resistant crops and the transplanted village. A simple matter of parsimony leads me to believe this is our first look at these Blight-natives. I hadn't thought of an Aiel- Dark Borderlandish city in the Blight but that's quite possible, a means for the DO to bolster his forces by forced breeding between captured Aiel and Borderlanders going into the Blight. Their strange behavior can very well be like u guys said their turning 13x13. As to whether they are channelers, as many of Aiel channelers go into the Blight it is really likely but from the thousands of years of inter-breeding they could have lost all OP and culture and as u said become the denizens of the Blight. Guess we' ll have to see what happens in MoL, can't wait !
  5. Alright then we cnclude that they are Aiel belonging to a Dark Aiel clan in the Blight!
  6. Yeah, have been thinking about it all these things are posible i guess we will find out in 'A memory of light'..
  7. Possible theory ahd forgotten all about the city in the Blight so yes it could be a mix or something or just corrupted men who live in Blight nc idea.
  8. Yeah, but it would be quite strangegiven the large distance between them and the Blight..
  9. COULD be Aiel brainwashed male channelers, but I doubt it. I also dont think they are simply Aiel or not Darkfriends. Forgot, the Sharans' way of thinking about the OP, you are right, it cant be them either... But, I thought of another possibility because of Durinax comment about souls.. What if they are simply a new breed of Gray Men? I hadnt thought of the possibility of being a city in the Blight, I guess we ll just have to wait and see.
  10. I myself have wondered if the Sharans would into play, but isnt Shara a little TOO far away from the wetlands?
  11. Lol. Yes, I could never forget that, and I said I didnt remember such detail, so... Well, back to the main topic, those Aiel with their teeth filed to points...What do you think? Have they simply surrendered and become slaves of the DO or r they sth else?
  12. Impossible. 1.) The Aeilfinn and the Eilfinn (or whatever :D ) cant get out of their tower. 2.) They dont use steel, cause they cant, they are afraid of it and it hurts them. 3.) How could the DO have caught them..He has no ter'angreal that would lead him to their cave. 4.) Also, in Mat's trip to the tower (SPOILER! SPOILER! SPOILER! ) where he went to save Moiraine with Thom and Jain Farstrider, there was no mention of foxes or snakes having an evil attitude. (Evil as the DO at least.) So, we see no signs of his influence there. :) 1. Until Mat carved out a doorway in ToM. Also, the doorway ter'angreal in Tear still exists, only the one from Rhiudean was destroyed. 2. They have other weapons. In book 4, Mat saw one of them using a brass dagger, and "would give all the coin he had" for it. In ToM, the snakes chase after them with swords. 3. They can warp reality, as shown by the nature of the ToG. Also, as known from ToG, you exit where you entered, so it's conceivable that they exited in/near the blight. 4. The foxes killed him once already (book 4) and then took his eye in ToM. In KoD, Mat has a panic attack when he realizes the finns can see into his memories permanently, which is why he remembers so many deaths from other people (they couldn't have entered the tower after death, therefore, the finns are now watching him as well.) Tuon relates a story about how the finns let people eat but they get the sustenance instead, and after the person dies, they wear their skin (which is somewhat verified in both the Moiraine storyline and in book 4 when mat sees the fox wearing leather made of human flesh.) Very nice explanation, sorry for saying 'impossible'' lol , but I hadnt read the books for some time and forgot the details.
  13. Agreed, but why kill the man without using the OP? could be to make the kill personnal, for more enjoyment of the kill. its obvious that the fellow was enjoying killing the merchant Yeah, thats a possible theory.
  14. The Isle of Madmen is mentioned in the 'The World of Robert Jordan's: The Wheel of Time by RJ and another guy'. It is not mentioned in the books only in that book.
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