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Seeker Matt

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  1. The Red Ajah has most likely been the single most important institution in Randland from the day Saidin was tainted until the day Rand cleansed it. Obviously, in "cleansing institutions" such as a Red Ajah, a culture that seems unhealthy grows up, but it's actually necessary to harden these women to take all the joy out of the lives of men. So it might be uncomfortable in general, but I would deem it a necessity. I do not see the necessity in it at all. * My least favourite is the Sea Folk as a whole and pretty much the White Tower/Aes Sedai. Character aspects/decisions would have to be Rand's List (though on rereads, an appreciation of the taint on him lessens this quite a bit) and Rand's leaving the BT almost wholly in the hands of Taim.
  2. I would also vote for quality, however many or few books that takes. If it would take X books with the kind of pace seen in tGS and ToM then it should take X books - I think the pace shown in those books was almost perfect.
  3. If the two are both dreamwalkers or there physically perhaps. (helpful, repetitive quota filled.)
  4. How you get from suggestions that Rand may be more than a man to the poster being Dragonsworn is beyond me but speaks more of fanaticism than anything else I've seen. Some people seem to react quite angrily to any suggestion that Rand is anything but a gifted channeler. Your repeated use of Dragonsworn as a derogative branding is also pretty extreme. In a world (this would be WoT) that is in turmoil and where many commoners are likely pretty cynical about their rulers it seems reasonable to me to swear yourself to the man destined to fight the Dark One. You seem to be countering other people's arguments that I didn't make or indicate support. I am probably largely responsible for this for poorly wording my posts and insufficiently indicating that my post was separate from other's. This is my original post: "Well I think that he is something beyond a supremely strong male channeler now. Him reaching a state of enlightenment seems to have allowed either the Creator or the pattern to use him as something approaching a vessel. For me, Nynaeve's delving of his madness is evidence of this as is his children seen through Avi's visions. Even greater strength is probably just a lesser aspect of this; it may not be a part of it at all - I do not think it was ever implied that he had reached his potential power anywhere in the books previously and male channelers do gain power in jumps. Enlightenment probably does wonders in allowing you to utililise your full Power strength potential. I think he is much more than he was in the Age of Legends."
  5. Case closed. Perhaps's it is being ignored/not considered "case closed" because some feel that it is an inadequate judgement. It comes down to what is Self/Being. I think that in VoG both Rand and LTT died (LTT again) and a new person was born.
  6. Yes, fanatics typically reference, use evidence and use questioning, unassertive language. The light combating the darkness of the DO's taint on Rand's mind IS suggestive. The difference in the way Rand's and Avi's offspring channel IS suggestive. The whole tone and use of the title Champion of Light and being the DO's "ancient enenmy" I think is suggestive too. I don't think Rand was the Champion of the Light before VoG, he only had the potential to become it and that is has little to do with strength of power. Now he is more than he was as LTT, as I think is evidenced by the lack of awareness of LTT in the prologue of EotW (ofc even though he had been temporarily "healed" his lack of awareness could easily have been a consequence of his madness and grief) compared to Zen Rand. I should probably clarify that I don't think Rand is a vessel, only that he has been bestowed greater powers than mere strength in the OP and having the qualities of being the strongest ta'veren. OFC perhaps his greater powers are just an extension of the strength of his ta'veren qualities. I certainly think that Rand was talking about the TP when he spoke to the Borderland monarchs and I also think that it could be used to break a circle of thirteen. However, it just doesn't feel right to me that that is the principal reason why no circle could shield him now. That's sounds pretty inadequate but I have nothing else atm. I think it is unlikely that he used the TP at Maradon simply because of the cost of using it (and he would have used a lot). I also suspect we the readers/Nynaeve would have see some evidence of it's use (ofc she wouldn't have known what it was that had been used) when she examined Rand and saw the membrane of light shielding his mind (she did this after Maradon I think?). I think the closeness to triggering the LB was a serious risk because of a combination of the weakness of the DO's prison and the changes Rand underwent in VoG. * That's a lot of speculation and novice-level theories by me and it's only my opinion.
  7. Well I think that he is something beyond a supremely strong male channeler now. Him reaching a state of enlightenment seems to have allowed either the Creator or the pattern to use him as something approaching a vessel. For me, Nynaeve's delving of his madness is evidence of this as is his children seen through Avi's visions. Even greater strength is probably just a lesser aspect of this; it may not be a part of it at all - I do not think it was ever implied that he had reached his potential power anywhere in the books previously and male channelers do gain power in jumps. Enlightenment probably does wonders in allowing you to utililise your full Power strength potential. I think he is much more than he was in the Age of Legends.
  8. I have to say that I would also never censor Wheel of Time for any age. There is nothing in it that I think is unsuitable for young kids yet alone young adults. Though personally if a kid has the desire (and the ability) there is little I would try to censor, provided they have a person how they feel able to approach with any questions they might have. I find that most fantasy fiction tends to be young adult and actually I think that -certainly the earlier WoT books- it is nearer older child than YA. That's not to say that it isn't wholly suitable reading for adults. * As for the youth of the leaders I would also say that in RL there have been many examples of brilliant leadership from the [very] young. There is also the fact that most of these leaders are not alone, most have mentors, or are actually 420 years old with the knowledge of the Age of Legends or have the knowledge of hundreds of the finest generals! ;)
  9. How are they equal? Rand is the Dragon Reborn and has become the Champion of the Light whereas Egwene is the leader of one fraction of female channelers. * I doubt Eqwene will oppose Rand on the FoM. Unfortunately I also doubt that there will be any kind of agreement for equal representation and recognition of male and female channelers as it was in the AoL, with the Dragon's fang and Flame of Tar Valon joined once more - other events will likely intervene. I doubt that the next age or even the age after the LB will see it as I suspect the one power may be a victim of the LB.
  10. My 2 cents (and it is only 2 cents compared to the depth of other peoples musings) is that in Veins of Gold Rand became the Champion of Light and was endowed with gifts and abilities by the Creator to neutralise the Dark One. I do not necessarily believe he used those powers in Maradon other than in being able to access his full strength and knowledge of the workings of the OP. After all, he did possess the greatest raw power of all Aes Sedai in the AoL. Perhaps it is too much Deus ex machina for some and may also be undesirable as it's kinda the true end of the WoT story. However, while the battle for possession of the 'vessel' of the possible Champion of the Light is over, the actual state of Randland is yet to be determined and that may be crucial to the next encounter with the DO; it would also be cool to actually see Rand the "Vessel" imprison the DO once more and a resolution of sorts to all the characters and lands we have come to know.
  11. I'm not sure that that exactly devalues or discredits everything else in that post. While I’m not sure I’d say Egwene was worse than Elaida in terms of a Amyrlin Seat I could probably make a defence of such a proposition so it isn't a totally unreasonable argument: Perhaps Egwene's successes will mean her advocacy for a disastrous course of action that much more likely whereas Elaida may have made herself impotent due to her utter incompetence? Perhaps Egwene is as bad as Elaida as she still appears devoted to many of the more moronic aspects of the White Tower and female Aes Sedai?
  12. That's interesting. I had thought all the climate problems and bubbles of evil were the result of the weakening of the seals on the Dark One's Prison. I had wondered why, in the AoL, such affects weren't seen when there weren't any seals on the bore for decades.
  13. I haven't been able to resolve this question either. It rather undermines my perception of the Dark One if he cannot compel just one of his channelers of sufficient strength to use balefire. From what I remember it seemed to me that a mediocre strength channeler with an angreal would be enough to break the pattern.
  14. I apologise as this has probably been asked many times before but I could not find an answer when searching these forums. "I have won again, Lews Therin." I believe this is what the DO said to Rand at the end of each life he experienced through the portal stone when travelling to Falme in The Great Hunt. I do not understand it; surely if the DO has won before, the pattern will have ended? Does this also not mean that to win all the DO has to do is kill Rand?
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