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futurehermit

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  1. I really enjoyed book 7 and don't get the hate for it. Back to Shadar Logoth, battle with Sammael, Rand and Moridin connecting via balefire -- lots of goodness there. Honestly, the serial position effect combined with the agonizing wait for each book does make it hard to recall the middle books, but I remember enjoying each one, and am looking forward to a full reread now that the series is complete. Can't help but wonder if Jordan would've been able to finish the series himself though if those middle books had been trimmed down by 3...
  2. Rand and Egwene at the end of Eye of the World. I had tears in my eyes and that was when I knew I was hooked. I had no idea I'd be reading the series for 20+ years of my life, but that was an incredible scene for me. In many ways, I see that as a pivotal moment where they both broke away from the lives they thought they would live back in Emond's field and truly set forth on their fated paths. In many ways, it was very sad, especially the fear Rand must have felt and the pain/sadness Egwene must have felt for him. Rand was so isolated, so alone at that time. The Dragon Reborn, a sheepherder who could channel. Just such an incredibly powerful scene imo. Jordan at his finest. The other one that brings tears is when Nyn walks into the tavern and asks if the Golden Crane flies alone. Still brings goosebumps just thinking about it. Lan is just another tragically fated character and Nyn's love for him just shines like a beacon there and she puts in motion the awesomeness of Malkier marching toward Tarmon Gaidon with the borderlands flocking to his banner. Lan is my fav character and I love his arc with Nyn and that was a powerful height of their arc together for me. Just awesome stuff.
  3. The LoR movies cut out some "boring" parts (i.e., Tom Bombadil parts early on) and I thought it made the story better :shrug: WoT is my all time fav series, but I would pay a LOT to see it made into a movie or tv series. To do that, it would need to be abridged. There were definitely some slower parts that could be looked at. I've read the series a bunch and am still a bit "huh?" on the whole Bowl of the Winds arc. I get that it was important-ish, but I dunno. In general, I think it could be leaned down to something that could be presented in a 6-8 season tv show, which would be absolutely amazing. I think that would do it better justice than 6 very long movies (6 movies is prob the max one could ever hope for imo and likely wouldn't have enough mass appeal to ever happen, unlike LoR).
  4. Perhaps off topic to the current debate, but relevant to the thread title: I was a bit disappointed that "good and evil" was framed, in the end, as evil (and hence the dark one) being necessary for humans to have free will/choice. Instead, I felt it would have been more fitting to frame it as that humans ARE both good and evil and have to wrestle with it. THEREFORE, if you take away the dark one (and hence evil), you take away something essential that makes humans human and reduce them to the automatons that we see in Rand's failed attempt at Creating/Visioning the future without a dark one. This would kind of fit the psychoanalytic ID-SUPEREGO struggle aka the angel vs. devil on your shoulder struggle. I also think that Galad's arc and realization in the end could have been tied in even more effectively with this overall theme.
  5. I always enjoyed Fain as a villain. When he was last seen heading into the Blight with Mashadar tendrils and obviously quite bad-@$$ powerful, it was pretty disappointing to see Mat put him down so easily. To have him ending up not having much impact at the Last Battle made him seen like a major red herring in the end. I really enjoyed reading theories on these forums about how Rand might push Taim into the Bore and use him a la how he cleansed Saidin. I think that would have been a pretty fitting outcome for Fain. I mean, he WAS introduced asap in the first book and had a major recurring role through much of the first half of the series at least. He was a lot of evil rolled into one and I had hoped for more from him in the end. I don't have any interest in bashing BS, as this could have been a RJ decision and, in the end, I'm still happy with the end of the series and, obviously, the series as a whole.
  6. I don't care whether it was RJ or BS, Logain's glory being foreshadowed for years and years and then happening off-screen while doing next to nothing during the freakin' LAST BATTLE is lame imo
  7. Androl not only stole logain's thunder, he made characters like flinn and narishma completly forgotton. It was basically sanderson putting his mark on the series and getting rid of established jordan characters. pathetic Androl didn't steal Logain's thunder - Logain's 'thunder' was (and will be) in the rehabilitation of male channelers with the rest of the Randland population, started with rescuing those refugees. Based on Q & A sessions, the majority of things that Androl did were ear-marked by RJ for one Ashaman or another to do (I doubt that he 'stole' the jobs from Logain, or that Harriet would have let him if he'd tried), and none of the Ashaman we saw would have fit into the story as well as a BT Ashaman - the Ashaman at the BT needed to rescue themselves and not be rescued, otherwise they were setting themselves up for a lifetime of second placeness. As such, none of the Ashaman we spent time with would have worked as well in the story as a BT Ashaman, of which other than the bad guys we had a few named, Androl was one, and BS developed him. Nor am I convinced that another Ashaman (Flinn, Narishma, Grady) would have worked as well stealing back the seals, they have no connection to Logain, why would they take the seals back to him instead of their AS colleagues? It's possible that Androl took the jobs of 2 or more other Ashaman (that RJ may have written), but I feel that trying to use an 'established' Ashaman would be trying to force them into the story. The problem is that your basically lowering Logain's faction to being the 5 people that Sanderson wrote about, Logain had dozens of followers. The only justification was to give him a ridiculous backstory of being some well traveled guy who saw it all a combination of Jain Farstrider and Guaire Amalasan. When Sanderson got through with Logain he was a pathetic wretch who was flat out handed glory. Imagine if Sanderson wrote the White Tower arc like that with some previously minor Aes Sedai all of a sudden mounting a rescue, holding off the Seanchan by herself without any help from anyone and then telling the Tower Aes Sedai that the only person who can be Amyrlin is Egwene. The Egwene fans would throw down the book and tell Harriet to fire Sanderson and yet thats what we got in this book. Some previously barely mentioned character is all of a sudden revealed to be the greatest Asha'man of them all better than both Taim and Logain, not only does he single handily win back the Black Tower, but he defeated two forsaken at the same time causing them to run. The only reason his not the leader is because for some reason he wants Logain to be the leader despite being a complete loser. I wanted to read about Logain not the Sanderson Reborn. You cant write about how some character is going to do some great thing and then 15 years later you end the series with the character not having done the great thing you spent 10 books talking about. I literally laughed out loud when the seal breaking scene happened because the fact that Sanderson tried to make it some big deal was hilarious. You might as well of had Almen Bunt destroy them with a shovel. Brilliant absolutely brilliant!! someone send this post to maria and sanderson +1
  8. Sure, but at the expense of more established characters in the series imo. Where was Androl in the first 10 books and why am I reading so much about him in the last one, by comparison?
  9. Androl and the Black Tower resolution was one of the hugest disappointments in this series that I've been reading for 20 years. During all those years of waiting in anticipation for the next book, etc., during many re-reads, I came to fall in love with many of the primary and secondary characters. Logain's glory had been foreshadowed for many (real life) years now. Once the Black Tower arc started to develop, I was sure that it had to end with Logain facing Taim in an epic, epic showdown, with Logain coming out on top. What happened instead? Logain gets captured then rescued by some guy -- Androl -- who I have very, very little invested in by comparison. Then, once Logain is free, it's again Androl who outshines Logain during the Last Battle. Sure, in the end, we see Logain -- basically, against his own instincts to go after the sa'angreal -- luck into being in a situation where the commoners start to like the Ashaman and we see that Logain will get his glory by being the Amrylin equivalent in the Black Tower. Great, but that will happen off-screen in books that will not get written and I will not have the pleasure to read. Androl is a character who steals Logain's thunder and I am really disappointed in that, despite having nothing against Androl's actual character per se -- he's a likeable and heroic enough guy, just in the wrong place at the wrong time for this series imo. He took up waaaaay too much screen time in this last, pivotal book compared to other primary and secondary characters, many of whom are reduced to cameos. Very disappointed in this character arc.
  10. I think that Caemlyn will be the impetus that brings the three Ta'veren together again and also Rand and Elayne together again. I agree though that Rand is also needed at the WT. So, I could see Rand, Mat, Egwene, and the Seanchan arriving to save Caemlyn. A lot of ducks would have to align in a row though; but, given that it is the last book, ducks lining up in a row is what should be happening imo. I think some of the critical questions for the three ta'veren are: 1) Will Mat go to Caemlyn or the WT? If he goes to the WT can he then get to Caemlyn in time? 2) Same question for Rand + will Rand have other pressures on his time? 3) Can Perrin get to Caemlyn in time? If so, will he end up there?
  11. Lan at the gap. But, the whole book, really :)
  12. The Aes Sedai symbol doesn't have the black spot in the white half or the white spot in the black half. It is based on yin/yang, but not identical. Look at the banner on the cover of tPoD. The guy got it wrong in this painting. Ah, for mourning. Fair enough. What are you talking about? The above are my first reactions to the painting. If you have something to comment on with regard to those reactions, then I suggest you offer it, because your post comes across as provocative and juvenile. Maybe he didn't get it wrong. Maybe the change in the symbol is representative of some outcome of the last battle?
  13. I think it would be more compelling if Taim WAS Demandred, than to have everything Demandred did be offstage and only really appearing en force in the last book -- *unless* he is a bamf in the last book :)
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