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Glip

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  1. Yes. I very much liked the dark intro leading us to a laughing Rand (in the middle of a conversation with Perrin which for all we know could've already taken quite a while). It also shows both Perrin and Rand being more confident, more mature and way way way more relaxed then the previous few books. This I like. It gives the reader hope that we have rightly put our trust in these characters, we have invested years in these guys. So good to see two friends being that, two friends. Being friends. In a non-gloomy-doomy way. Yay!
  2. Brandon just tweeted he is currently writing his FINAL scene an AMoL! After that he will add RJ's scene and the first draft will be done. So just an hour or so and there will be no official writing anymore on The Wheel of Time...EVER I feel
  3. Here you go. Rand's actions in the closing stages of TGS are in summary: TGS47: Rand meets Tam, is angered by hearing that Tam was 'manipulated' by Cadsuane. Rand seizes saidin: "The void shattered, but somehow saidin remained, struggling against him. He screamed as the nausea hit him, and he threw his anger against it in defiance." He almost balefires Tam, but stops in horror at himself. Then: "Still holding tenuously to saidin, Rand wove a gateway to Ebou Dar, then ducked through." We next see Rand in Ebou Dar (TGS49). He has been with the Tinkers, and had traded his 'fine black coat' to a Tinker for a 'common brown cloak'. He resolves to 'burn the Seanchan off the land', and seizes saidin (so at some point he let it go). The nausea overwhelmes him and he collapses, to the concern of passers-by. He wants to strike, but can't because 'they cared'. He makes a skimming gateway, and skims to the meadow where he tried to fight the Seanchan with Callandor. After contemplating this for a 'long time', he opens another gateway, to the top of Dragonmount: "He set the access key into the bank before him and wove Air and Fire to keep himself warm." He also weaves Air "so that it compressed slightly around him", allowing him to breathe (TGS50). At this point, then, he has not let go of saidin since he seized it in Ebou Dar: "He still held to the Source. He didn't dare let go. This last time he'd seized it had been the worst he could remember, and he feared that the sickness would overpower him if he tried again" (VoG). And then he has his epiphany. The nausea has not been mentioned since AFAIK; but then the only Rand PoV we had in ToM was right at the end! Thanks! So it's safe to assume it's neither the amount of power Rand's holding nor the duration that's causing the sickness. It's purely the act of seizing saidin. Is it in ToM somewhere that Min mentions Rand did not appear to get sick? At least if he was she couldn't tell. Is it possible to mask physical illness through the warderbond? I mean, this part in ToM was very ambiguous to me.
  4. Nakomi walking back to where here stasis box has opened saying "It is up to her now. I have done as they asked, as you planned, Sealdre."
  5. I want to make it clear that I did not mean Egwene wants him to submit nor have I said so. I made a personal observation that Egwene understandably thinks she can go against Rands plan.
  6. I agree. Rand is more important than the amyrlin. Haha just to put some oil on this fire... You could argue the point that the office of Amyrlin Seat(whomevers backside warms it) has more political, economical, environmental, spiritual, educational and social influence on the world since it simply has more time to act. The champion of the light is spun out by the pattern for one single purpose, the preservation of creation. One lifetime to act (and it looks like a rather short one this time) does not leave a whole lot of room to exert influence on a personal level over, let's say, a person living half a millennium after his death. The office of Amyrlin however could easily still exist by that time and influence that person... Just like comparing Obama to Jesus... When you bring real life into a discussion concerning fiction I could argue that Mr. Obama has way more direct control over my life then Jesus (also, I feel I should mention my being agnostic here). So are we comparing Rands current power to Egwenes current power or are we comparing the station of Champion of Light to the station of Amyrlin? For the latter I'd say there is a difference in power, but due to the difference in purpose they are ofcourse incomparable really. Egwene as the Amyrlin wants the Dragon to "submit" to her tower...you don't ask the person vastly more powerful and important than you to "submit" to you unless of course you are completely delusional to how insignificant you are compared to him. You are right, it is disproportionally presumptuous of Egwene to expect the fight against the Dark One will only go according to Tower Law as laid down by Miss Ain't-I-Awesome. But, playing devil's advocate here, there is a logic in her way of thinking. Rand plans to break the seals to make way for something better instead, but somehow, deliberate or not, did not tell Egwene he was working on a better way. He just said he was going to break the seals. Egwene has this idea that 'her' tower is the be all and end all of how the world should be ruled and has done a pretty good job of it as far as she herself is concerned, so both are at fault of this 'misinterpretation' of Rands role.
  7. I agree. Rand is more important than the amyrlin. Haha just to put some oil on this fire... You could argue the point that the office of Amyrlin Seat(whomevers backside warms it) has more political, economical, environmental, spiritual, educational and social influence on the world since it simply has more time to act. The champion of the light is spun out by the pattern for one single purpose, the preservation of creation. One lifetime to act (and it looks like a rather short one this time) does not leave a whole lot of room to exert influence on a personal level over, let's say, a person living half a millennium after his death. The office of Amyrlin however could easily still exist by that time and influence that person... Just like comparing Obama to Jesus... When you bring real life into a discussion concerning fiction I could argue that Mr. Obama has way more direct control over my life then Jesus (also, I feel I should mention my being agnostic here). So are we comparing Rands current power to Egwenes current power or are we comparing the station of Champion of Light to the station of Amyrlin? For the latter I'd say there is a difference in power, but due to the difference in purpose they are ofcourse incomparable really.
  8. Very nice theory. But where's Fain and what about Calandor?
  9. Are you positively sure? IIRC he was sitting down to comtemplate his existence right after he Travelled to Dragonmount and made himself a warm breathable patch to do some serious soulsearching. Was his soulsearch-POV in VoG right from the start from within the void? Always seemed to me he seized the power some time later. Could be wrong though, have to look it up at home.
  10. Well lets make a list of people likely to survive or die then. Based on prophecies/RJ-BS quotes/storytelling-logic/etc. Likely to die: -Rand (prophecized, storytelling-logic since, what, the prologue of TEoTW?) -Moridin (Well, same as Rand really) -Fain (what use, story-wise or other, could he possibly have after TG?) -Lan (heading towards death since the New Spring timeline or before even) -Slayer (well, just about everyone both storycharacters and fandom wants him dead...awwww Hopper) Likely to survive: - Matt (no use planning outrigger novels for a dead guy, except when RJ was planning a Wheel of the Living Dead) - Tuon (see Matt) - Moiraine (been presumed dead -storywise- too long to make a return and die again) - Logain (semantics maybe, but the idea of 'glory to come' also sounds like lasting a bit longer then the imminent armageddon) More educated guesses?
  11. Can some-one please check something for me? If I recall correctly there was no mention of the sickness when Rand was on dragonmount while he used the Choedan Kal to hold the OP in that huge amount before he had his epiphany. Is that right? If so, the actual VoG epiphany was after the sickness was gone. One would have expected holding that much of the OP would have made him at least throw up last weeks breakfast.
  12. I think RJ put a Bhuddist view of the workings of the Wheel there. A lot of his symbolism and themes concerning the turning of the Wheel and the way the pattern works stems from Bhuddism. Bhuddism strives iirc (since I'm no expert in that field) to escape the endless cycle of birth and rebirth by reaching elightenment. Through this enlightenment - nirvana - one is able to 'step off' the Wheel. Ofcourse this 'stepping off' is meant in a spiritual way and even in RJ's story physically this is not very likely since only the DO exists outside of the pattern, but my point is that in Veins of Gold we already saw some enlightenment in Rand which was very much like Siddhārtha Gautama Buddha's spiritual journey under the Bodhi tree. So a solution to the endless turnings of the Wheel could very well come from such directions.
  13. IIRC Moiraine said the Finns claimed they drained Lanfear too quickly and she died. Afterwards 'a man' came and said he was looking for someone other than Moiraine. No certain way to tell right now what actually happened, the Finns could easily have lied to Moiraine.
  14. Yes, I think you're right. I re-read this scene recently and there's no line which could be interpreted as Aviendha doing something to change how the ter'angreal works. It seems to me either that no-one survived a second trip or that a decision was made not to allow a second trip. That sequence was probably the most depressing part of the whole series. If that were true though, why would the ter'angreal work multiple times for visions of the past and just once for the future? Aviendha felt something "almost alive" when she probed the ter'angreal, afterwards it was dead. So either Aviendha actually DID do something or the ter'angreal was a one-shot-gun for the visions of the future. Please discuss. Actually, come to think of it, it was the words of Nakomi (Verin or not) that started Avi's line of thought that put her through a second time. Some more oil on the fire of that theory?
  15. Nicola Treehill Runaway good for nothing overly-ambitious blackmailer. Even her death was unsatisfying.
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