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Semirhage666

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  1. In terms of what is and is not established procedure for things, isn't WoT unprecedented in sheer scope in the publishing world? And as such, who's to say that as long as it manages to establish itself as a money making show that maintains a viewership that it couldn't manage to be given 10-12 seasons and just about work on a 1:1 book to season ratio? It broke barriers in one format, it can in another. Cut out some things toward the end such as portions of the Plotline of Doom, and restructure CoT to be absorbed into WH and KoD, and you could easily only need 10-12 seasons, which while large for a genre show, is not unheard of for shows in general. Almost everything else to complain about could directly be laid to the tight budget and schedule. Can't hire decent actors? Hire mediocre ones. Can't take the time to actually write a half hour's material? Stretch a contained scene into half an hour. But there's NO fucking reason why they can't slap a goddamn wig on the actress playing a character about which the ONE THING we know and the ONE THING relevant to her is her hair color. Really, people. IIRC, we have at least one reference to her being widely known as "Ilyena Sunhair" and we know absolutely nothing else about her on a personal level. Say things were to progress from here and the company was given an actual TV-show sized budget. Decent actors could be hired, reasonable CGI could be done, time could be taken to write a real script, but what the fuck are they going to do about something as fundamentally simple as that hair? Write it off as Lews Therin remembering her with her hair dyed? Insipid. Just have her hair be forever changed? Can't do that, because then you are going to run into a problem in Book 4 where Lanfear finds Rand in a dream and complains about that "sun-haired chit" and he thinks she's talking about Elayne. Have some standards. This is like the one thing they could have financially managed to fix. This may be true in theory, but the way to translate theory into practice is NOT to make a show like that LotS shitfest where the episodes were so disjointed as to view like random chapters plucked from here and there and arranged in no particular order. LMAO at you even referencing Goodkind or that show in a discussion about how to make an ACTUAL good TV show. And the worst thing that could happen to this franchise is people giving so little fucks about the quality of an adaptation that they will watch anything, and the resulting adaptation being allowed to be so awful that it turns off the general public from being able to get into the series. I'm embarrassed that anyone unfamiliar with the books might stumble upon this horror show. Do you want people to think that THAT is representative of one of the book series you read?
  2. Ugh, I can't believe the REE CEO is trying to pass this off as something legitimate and not the pile of garbage that it is. Hopefully Harriet sues the hell out of him then gives him over to my care. and you obviously have never read the series. seriously, if you're going to make a movie, tv show or game out of a book franchise, at least read the damn series! Ishy is a main antagonist all through the series. To be fair, he's pretty much going to be masked as Ba'alzamon or be in a different body as Moridin at all times, so recasting him isn't an issue, which is probably what he meant. gah not only are you inept at being knowledgeable about the cash cow you're trying to pimp out; you're beyond inept at the WoT's main competitor. GoT's has not ran out of material. the show is only on book 4 of a 5 book series (with 2 more books scheduled to be published). Yes, it has. Those last two books won't be out for years. The producers are trying to wrap the show up w/ 7 seasons, so they won't stretch the concurrent storylines of books 4 and 5 out beyond Season 5. The show shoots all year long, which means unless they go on hiatus, they will officially be at a loss for content come April/May when they try to get to work writing Season 6. GRRM's ridiculous laziness is about to seriously screw that show over.
  3. No, I did not enjoy it. I don't know if I'd watch a series going forth from this. I don't think so. This was awful. They couldn't even stick Ilyena in a blonde wig or pronounce her name right, the guy playing LTT was wooden as hell, they gave him a son called fucking Lews Jr and had them SHARE A FUCKING FIST BUMP, and Ishamael was played all wrong. He would never be that emotional or use such flamboyant hand gestures. He's essentially the male AoL equivalent of a White sister, and they have him smiling and gesturing emphatically. During bits of it, I felt bits of excitement at seeing a WoT adaptation, but every time, 2 seconds later, something ridiculous would happen, like seeing a bunch of damn dolls all over the place or A GODDAMN FISTBUMP. I'd sooner have nothing over something like this. I feel like we as a community need to hold ourselves to a higher standard and not allow our decades-long thirst for a WoT movie/show to delude us into thinking "it wasn't so bad." It was. It really was.
  4. That scene was written acceptably well to be just a scene where something happens. Not as good as it should or could have been, but acceptable. Being told now that that scene WASN'T just a scene where something happens, that instead it is THE scene Moiraine is needed for, makes me laugh because that is ridiculous. The way that scene was written, Moiraine did not come off in any way as utterly world-saving. My God. I'm so disappointed with SO much of this point, I'm wondering how the heck I had no big complaints with the last 2.
  5. I hardly think Demandred's fixation on killing LTT is at all among the foremost problems with this book though. I had absolutely 0 disappointment with the last 2 at all, I thought they were well done, nothing truly glaring stuck out at me. THIS one however, is a [removed], and Demandred's fixation is something that could easily be believed to have developed off-page seeing as he's had very little page time in the first place. I'm more concerned about why the hell Leane just randomly appears with a PoV after being captured by a frelling Forsaken and that experience was summarized in a paragraph by her thinking "My captivity was, like totes unpleasant." I'm more concerned with Canler being in a party one minute, the PoV character thinking "everyone was still alive" after the party is attacked, the party escaping, and Canler being never mentioned again. I'm more concerned with Moiraine's specific presence being necessary to save the world and then all she does with Rand is stand around in a circle. Anyone could have done that.
  6. No-one was expecting perfection. But I dislike people who say that we should just be happy that we got an ending and leave it at that. Maybe an ending is better than no ending, but a good ending is better than a bad ending. I don't think we should have to make do. We can and should be willing to call out both authors on their failings. While Sanderson was placed in a difficult position, we don't have to make excuses for him. Let's treat him like a grown up. There are failings in his WoT books, and in his own books. We can ignore them and try to be happy, or we can offer criticism, and hope that he improves - because if he improves, that means his future works will have fewer problems, and so there will be fewer problems for us to ignore. We have respect for Brandon, and therefore try to voice our dissatisfaction in a way that helps him identify the weaknesses in his writing, and will allow him to work on those weaknesses, and thus to grow as an author. Sweeping Brandon's failings under the rug - which is what the "I'm just happy we got an ending so I won't criticise mindset amounts to" - is an attitude that does more to infantilise him that it does to help him improve, and consequently is an attitude marked by a fundamental lack of respect for him. I don't think a lack of respect is what people are trying to convey, but that's what it amounts to.This times a 1,000. Well said Mr. Ares, way to articulate the reality of the situation.I suppose I agree with this, but I'm not going to pick apart the book and complain about things that should have been. It's over. If you want to change something, I'd be happy to see a fanfiction or the way you think it should have been. Well, neither I nor Suttree is a professional author. Given that many of the problems lie with the execution, expecting someone with no skill or experience to execute things better than a professional author is possibly asking a bit much. Probably sums up my reasons for not picking apart books. I just don't see a purpose is not enjoying what you got. You can't change it.lockquote>Maybe we can't change AMoL, nor any WoT book. But Sanderson is still alive, and still writing books. While he probably won't read most of these criticisms, there is still a chance that some things that are said will get back to him, and if he gets a fuller understanding of what he did right and what he did wrong, then he can improve. He can make his next book better. Better pace, better prose, better characters. Better author. Plus, as Barid said, this is the quality discussion thread - saying that you loved it or that you hated it is really not constructive. If you don't want to discuss it, don't. But it wasn't built up for many books. Demandred wanted LTT dead, by his hand or another. Saying that he has changed recently is noting a change, but not explaining it. Consequently, it comes across more as a handwave to justify a difference in his character than it does as an actual example of character development. And Ishamael, unlike all the other Chosen, is noted for his extensive, almost exclusive, use of the TP - all the others display reluctance to use it, and are well aware of the dangers. They shouldn't have the same addiction or insanity resulting from it as Ishy did. What build up was there? Why the change in character? I had a similar problem with the last Mistborn book, where the Lord Ruler being insane is tossed in, almost as an excuse for his actions, and doesn't really feel like a natural development of his character. Insanity is not a "get out of jail free card", that excuses any and all out of character actions. What signs of insanity do we really see from Demandred? Compare that with Rand's insanity, something which really was built up over several books. Demandred can be considered insane in the way B movie villains are - not suffering from a recognised mental condition, so much as a blanket excuse for any illogical actions, with no defining symptoms. We are left with Demandred's character having changed, but no real explanation as to why. Girl, Demandred's irrational hatred for LTT was mentioned way freaking back in book 6 by Semirhage in the same PoV in which we learn she, Mesaana, and Demandred are in an "alliance." It was nothing new. I may have been wrong but I was always under the impression Demandred had an irrational hatred for LTT. It was because of that he turned to the shadow in the first place wasnt it? Exactly. So to act like that was something that came out of nowhere in this book is just wrong. IMO, Demandred's thoughts about LTT were pretty much in line with what had already been established by Jordan.
  7. No-one was expecting perfection. But I dislike people who say that we should just be happy that we got an ending and leave it at that. Maybe an ending is better than no ending, but a good ending is better than a bad ending. I don't think we should have to make do. We can and should be willing to call out both authors on their failings. While Sanderson was placed in a difficult position, we don't have to make excuses for him. Let's treat him like a grown up. There are failings in his WoT books, and in his own books. We can ignore them and try to be happy, or we can offer criticism, and hope that he improves - because if he improves, that means his future works will have fewer problems, and so there will be fewer problems for us to ignore. We have respect for Brandon, and therefore try to voice our dissatisfaction in a way that helps him identify the weaknesses in his writing, and will allow him to work on those weaknesses, and thus to grow as an author. Sweeping Brandon's failings under the rug - which is what the "I'm just happy we got an ending so I won't criticise mindset amounts to" - is an attitude that does more to infantilise him that it does to help him improve, and consequently is an attitude marked by a fundamental lack of respect for him. I don't think a lack of respect is what people are trying to convey, but that's what it amounts to.This times a 1,000. Well said Mr. Ares, way to articulate the reality of the situation.I suppose I agree with this, but I'm not going to pick apart the book and complain about things that should have been. It's over. If you want to change something, I'd be happy to see a fanfiction or the way you think it should have been. Well, neither I nor Suttree is a professional author. Given that many of the problems lie with the execution, expecting someone with no skill or experience to execute things better than a professional author is possibly asking a bit much. Probably sums up my reasons for not picking apart books. I just don't see a purpose is not enjoying what you got. You can't change it. Maybe we can't change AMoL, nor any WoT book. But Sanderson is still alive, and still writing books. While he probably won't read most of these criticisms, there is still a chance that some things that are said will get back to him, and if he gets a fuller understanding of what he did right and what he did wrong, then he can improve. He can make his next book better. Better pace, better prose, better characters. Better author. Plus, as Barid said, this is the quality discussion thread - saying that you loved it or that you hated it is really not constructive. If you don't want to discuss it, don't. But it wasn't built up for many books. Demandred wanted LTT dead, by his hand or another. Saying that he has changed recently is noting a change, but not explaining it. Consequently, it comes across more as a handwave to justify a difference in his character than it does as an actual example of character development. And Ishamael, unlike all the other Chosen, is noted for his extensive, almost exclusive, use of the TP - all the others display reluctance to use it, and are well aware of the dangers. They shouldn't have the same addiction or insanity resulting from it as Ishy did. What build up was there? Why the change in character? I had a similar problem with the last Mistborn book, where the Lord Ruler being insane is tossed in, almost as an excuse for his actions, and doesn't really feel like a natural development of his character. Insanity is not a "get out of jail free card", that excuses any and all out of character actions. What signs of insanity do we really see from Demandred? Compare that with Rand's insanity, something which really was built up over several books. Demandred can be considered insane in the way B movie villains are - not suffering from a recognised mental condition, so much as a blanket excuse for any illogical actions, with no defining symptoms. We are left with Demandred's character having changed, but no real explanation as to why. Girl, Demandred's irrational hatred for LTT was mentioned way freaking back in book 6 by Semirhage in the same PoV in which we learn she, Mesaana, and Demandred are in an "alliance." It was nothing new.
  8. I'm currently still working my way through Chapter 37 and something stuck out at me. In one Pevara PoV, she, Emarin, Jonneth, Canler, and Theodrin all travel up to the Heights, get attacked, Pevara notes everyone is still alive, she does her freak in-a-circle gateway thing, they escape, and in the remaining Androl/Pevara PoVs, Canler is nowhere to be found and no one remarks on his absence or recalls his death or anything. Did Brandon really [removed] so badly as to leave us with a randomly disappearing character, or am I missing something? Cause that's a pretty unforgivable [removed] if it is one.
  9. The first thing Evin says after he was turned is just SO DAMN CREEPY.
  10. Glad I'm not the only Egwene fan having issues with her. I was under the impression that the Forsaken who visited Isam was the new Graendal. I personally feel like finding a way to reverse the 13 x13 turning would cheapen the impact of it. It should be permanent to really drive home the direness of it all.
  11. Umm no. I'm baffled by how quickly she leaped to the conclusion that Rand was wrong about the seals, and how stubborn she is being. He is the Dragon Reborn, and has the memories of LTT. I think he's a BIT more effing qualified to be in charge of the seals than her, FFS.
  12. Who is this enormous freaking C U next tuesday masquerading as Egwene? I've always liked her a lot, but DAMN to I want to smack her right now.
  13. @Ireond If Nynaeve was asked "you and what army?" she could respond "Only the largest amount of Saidar anyone alive can channel unaided." Don't go dissing Nynaeve, girl.
  14. @BlackAjah nicola makes the boat prophecy in book 6 in Salidar right after the bubble of evil is over.
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