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KristiDeming

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  1. Okay, Ariel is being a kind, wonderful person, so I won't be.

    She has been working on these cards, originally just as a "what if" idea, since way back in Feb 2011, and had her account on deviantArt, http://reddera.deviantart.com/, for over 4 years.  Ever since starting on the images on her Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Memory-of-Robert-Jordan/164127706972822, her intention was always listed as a hope something might happen to get the images made into a poker deck, since James loved to play Poker.


    From the very start, she asked, even PLEADED, for input from fans.  I've been there since very nearly the beginning, constantly amazed at her talent and willingness to accept critiquing.  Perhaps if some of you had been more involved with what she was actually going through BEFORE the idea even had a hint of becoming reality, actually looked at the original line drawings and designs, maybe you'd have a different perspective.  How many of you remember Berelain's diadem looking like the eagle from Wonder Woman's costume?  Or when Moghedien looked like she was a runner up for playing Regina in "Once Upon a Time"?  How about when she was at a complete loss for what to do with the Aelfinn/Eelfinn, and EVERYONE was pitching in because no one had a real definite ideal of them in their minds.  What about when she floored us with her Mesaana/Danelle dual presentation?  (And I'll forever love her for using Goran Visnjic for Barid Bel (and those of you who know me KNOW I had to just add that in!))  Where were you guys when we tried convincing her that Robert Carlyle (as Rumpelstiltskin) was PERFECT for Fain?  What about when Rand looked like Hayden Christensen (<shudder>)?  When we had a Trolloc Teddy Bear, instead of the one we have now that actually LOOKS like the twisted blend of human and animal stock?  Or the glorious moment when Hopper was added to Elyas' card?

    I can, literally, keep going.  At one point, she was simply creating the characters from her mind's eye, and then when it turned into "official" interest, she received the "list" of desired characters (and I'm still vocal about my disapproval of Rhuarc being ignored.)  Even through the increased pressure of an official commission, she was ever gracious and friendly, still constantly open to criticism and suggestions.  When the time came, she submitted the images for approval.  And, whether any of you like it or not, if HARRIET says "this is the way these characters look", I dare you to go up to HER face and tell her she's wrong.  Even after submission, Ariel was asked by TPTB to make changes for more accuracy, until each and every single one of the 54 cards passed the test. 

    There are some of you complaining about accuracy, in which case I would point out that maybe you'd better read the books more carefully!

    For instance: Mat's scarf was black up until he tries to sneak a visit in the rain to the Palace to see Birgitte in ToM, and he ends up using it to block a knife thrust, which shredded it (ToM, ch 22, "The End of a Legend".)  He still wears it until ch 31, "Into the Void", where he drops it in the middle of the Dusty Wheel (better known as the Rumor Wheel) because it has a hole in it, right before the final fight with the gholam.
    And then, in ch 52, "Boots", he has gotten a new scarf, and deliberately chose RED in honor of Tylin and the others the gholam had killed (he even thinks to himself that he very briefly considered "pink"...VERY briefly.)

    For those of you who are complaining that Rand is too "pretty", need I remind you who his brother is?  It's been stated constantly throughout the series the effect Galad's appearance has on ALL women...do you REALLY think his younger brother is going to be that much unlike him?  And even more significantly, how often did women throw themselves at him (before he became "harder"), talking about how handsome he was.  Look at Berelain's performance in the Stone in tSR, where she tells him how attractive he is.

    And, last time I checked, he wasn't a "half-mad Dragon Reborn".  Some of you may have missed the end of tGS and didn't read ToM at all, or you would have known that issue has been resolved courtesy of the Fisher King/Rand Sedai effect.

    And finally, the "comparison" to Dem888's "Tarmon Gai'don" (or should I say very thinly veiled accusation of copying).  Here are the two, together:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2583777409356&set=a.1313934384074.34850.1702137269&type=3&theater

    First, let's start with the Banners.  Now, it's pretty hard to argue about them: James was VERY specific about them in the books:
     
    Perrin's Wolfhead is pretty straight forward, it's going to look similar.  

    The Banner of the Band of the Red Hand is very distinctly stated as being a red, open hand (Ariel's certainly looks more like a hand to me, but maybe my hands are just shaped differently).  It also, VERY specifically, states that the Band's motto is on the Banner: if you look at Ariel's, near the rim of Mat's hat, you can see the motto plain as day.  It is NOWHERE on Dem888's.

    The Dragon Banner is also VERY specific: if you look at the cover of PoD, Ariel's Banner is close enough to be acceptable without anyone being able to accuse her of stealing DKS's image.  The Dragon Banner, on Dem888's picture, is "letter-wise" rather than "landscape": the Dragon is supposed to be flying across the sky, not looking up at it like a statue.

    From the banners to accessories:

    I assume Dem888's Mah'alleinir has a leaping wolf on it (I mean, I can see some wavy lines that might be the shape of a wolf.)  You can't miss Hopper on Ariel's.

    As far as Callandor goes, it's a crystalline-looking blade, slightly curved.  I must have missed the bluish tinge in the description somewhere...I know it's crystalline and all, but "blue" would have been mentioned somewhere...whereas, again, Ariel's appears a far more accurate depiction, based on the actual book descriptions.

    Mat's Ashendarei has the most differences: there are two ravens on the blade...and ONLY two ravens.  I have no idea what Dem888 did with his blade...I mean, there COULD be a raven on there...somewhere.  The ravens on Ariel's are too light (yes, actual criticism!)  But the most important thing?  The INSCRIPTION is actually on Ariel's (we tried to get it in the Old Tongue, but there weren't enough of the words available.)

    And finally, the appearance of our Ta'veren:

    Perrin, in Dem888's version, looks like he should be screaming "This is SPARTA!" at someone.  Furthermore, his eyes are just WRONG.  Nynaeve very distinctly states, in tEotW, that the yellow only touches his irises.

    Mat's (James Rigney's) hat is supposed to be BLACK.  PERIOD.  And for all you worried about Mat's scarf, up until the point mentioned above that takes place after the gholam is beaten, Mat's scarf is BLACK, not GREEN.  Oh, and Mat's coat was green from Ebou Dar until Thom buys him a new one in ToM before they leave to get Moiraine.  Not blue.  My final complaint (for now anyway)?  The knives.  Mat wears two lower leg knives in the top of each of his boots, not the insides of his thighs.  As far as I know, I've only ever seen women who are supposed to be "spies" or assassins wear a knife on the inside of their thigh, and usually under their skirt.  Not to mention the fact that four knives, set up the way Dem888 has them, would make walking rather...difficult...

    Finally, there is Rand.  Rand with eyes that are supposed to be grey sometimes, other times blue.  Dem888 makes them ice blue (to match Callandor I suppose), Ariel gives the blue-grey  I don't know where Dem888 got his idea for Rand's outfit, it's very Imperialistic, suitable for the meet and greet with Tuon.  Ariel kept with the current, at-ease-with-himself Fisher King.  Also, Ariel's version has the Dragon belt Aviendha gave Rand, Dem888's does not (and Rand doesn't take it off except for bed...)

    About the only thing I can say they agree on is the height...

    So, who wants to "thinly veil" accusations of copying against Ariel?  She produced a piece that is factually accurate, per the given descriptions in the books (minus Mat's inscription not being in the Old Tongue.)

    Don't get me wrong: I like Dem888's pic well enough for what it is.  I personally could not produce anything like either of these two people.  But I'm not going to just sit here while people bash Ariel's work, or even toss in "copying" remarks, after watching her bust her rear for the past two years to bring us something fantastic.

    You guys don't like her work?  Don't buy it.  It's really that simple.


    And since it's taken me such a ridiculous amount of time to write this, I'm certain I'll have more comments to make...

  2. Actually, Brandon has said that whether or not there are prequels would depend on Harriet, but don't count on it.

    The only games in the works are a) one that Red Eagle was working with Obsidian Entertainment to create (they blew it, so it looks like that isn't going to happen; and b) two mobile/tablet games with Jet Set Games, which they were only able to raise $3000 of the required $450,000 necessary (so that isn't going to happen either.) Considering Mr. Rigney's opinion of Red Eagle, I consider this a blessing. I'd rather have NO more WoT material than anything Red Eagle touches.

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