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Gathering Storman Norman

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  1. I already know what Terez will say to this, but didn't Rand already "die" on Dragonmount during Veins of Gold? Kind of like Obi Wan telling Luke Vader killed Anikan. When Rand and LTT merged, the Rand from Two Rivers died and Rand/LTT was born. I still think he will physically die, but I wouldn't be surprised if the LTT/Rand merger counted as Rand dieing. And when he does die (if he does) it will depend on how it is written as too what extent it impacts me. I really don't know why Verin's death impacted so many people. It wasn't like she was a very likable character. I loved the chapter because of how well written it was, but it wasn't like Hopper dieing (either time) or when Rand almost choked the life out of Min. Maybe I just never bonded with Verin like some of the other people here have. I could list two dozen purple that would have had more of an impact on me than Verin.
  2. Are we supposed to view this as the result of a somewhat misandrous, female-dominated society, the same way that males acted towards females throughout much of history (and still today in many places)? Aes Sedai as a whole are quite guilty of misandrous attitudes, and I think that's quite intentional, given the make up of their institution and their status in society. I don't remember Seanchan or the Aiel being quite so bad. RJ paints women differently based on what society or culure they came from. The one thing that is common is that women definitely have more power and voice in WOTdom. It is funny, a lot of people see the wot women as overbearing, self righteous, or even men haters. I for one like the woman in wot. They are strong willed, capable, fiery, and usually very honest (not counting the AesSedia). Never have understood the dislike for them. And if you ask me they treat their men much beyer than a lot of today's women do.
  3. First let me say I absolutely loved Mistborn and aWoKs and disagree that the Mistborn books got worse as they went along. The ending of the trilogy was fantastic! I want to know what parts of TGS and ToM you thought were god awful? They were two of my favorite books in the series. One thing I do want to point out is I do think RJ did a much better job of world and character building, just in tEotW alone than BS accomplished in all three Mistborn books. Only a handful of the characters in the Mistborn series were anything but paper thin. There are already a dozen characters that you know more about in WOT than you do about Vin.
  4. this is a forum where people can discuss whatever they like, there is no reason to be nasty and imply how offensive it is to you to voluntarily read things you dont like...if you dont like a topic then dont read it, or feel free to hit your head on something solid and gently land face first in a puddle So this is a forum where people can discuss what they like, but you object to him trying to discuss what he likes? I think The 3 ta'veren is entitled to his opinion on this matter. He didn't imply it was offensive, just not particularly fun to read. Mr. Ares, Thank you, that is what I was trying to say. I understand people saying they don't like this our that about a character, but it goes way over the top here. Such a great site, but it is painful to listen to all of the incessant whining. I do get a kick out of people whining about how much Perrin whines. Oh, the irony.. The funniest are the ones that had a problem with him being obsessed over getting Faile back. REALY!!! Your wife is kidnapped and you just take it in stride, now that would be realistic. (sarcasm). I have many more I could vent about, but of course now I fall into that whiney category too.
  5. What frustrates me most about WOT characters is the never ending, over the top need for WOT fans to whine, bitch and moan about the thing they can't stand about the WOT characters. Now I'm not saying these characters are perfect, but they are far better than the whiny people that nit pick all of their minor flaws. Flaws that jordan write into these characters so they all weren't perfect and they all weren't the same. The non-stop whining is why I don't come to this fantastic site as much as I would of there weren't so many whiny people here. Sorry, that had been bottled up for a while!
  6. I thought about that too. The entrance thing would explain it, but so would the dream spike (if in fact that is a dream spike he is carrying). If the shadow can't see him then that might explain the stalagmite / stalagtite not racing to him.
  7. Of the five two rivers' characters I liked then all at first accept Egween. I didn't start to like her until she paid her toh to the wise ones, she grew up at that point and stopped being an adventure seeking, spoiled brat. She has become one of my favorite characters since that point.
  8. This is why I feel 13 months is longer than is reasonable to edit and publish a book. The first 8 books in this series were WRITTEN, edited, and published in less than the 13 months each. Most were done in eleven months. So am I supposed to accept that it will take Harriet longer to edit a book written by Sanderson than it took RJ to write the book and then let her edit it. If the artists selection is what drove the extra long time then why not just say it?
  9. As has been explained numerous times in the thread the second rough draft hasn't even been turned in. Not sure how the editing could take 13 months when we are almost in March and the revision process has barely started. The correct reasons for the delay have been giving in this thread and the cover art process could be another piece to the puzzle. I must have missed the release from TOR, team Jordan, or BS saying why the release date is so far off. Everything in this thread is just fan conjecture, speculation and opinion. Editing started in December when the first draft was turned in. So 13 months is accurate. You mean like when they told us this... That announcement came after BS addressed the issues with the first two books, changed his writing process and said they could not make the same mistakes and had to get aMoL right. Peter has posted numerous times in this thread discussing the situation as well. So no it isn't fan conjecture, they have made the reasons for the delay perfectly clear. As for the work still to be done there is a reason why it is called editing and revisions. As has been explained the way Brandon writes results in drafts that are far rougher than the average author. RJ would finish 12 drafts before the editing process would even start. Brandon has only a few days ago finished the second very rough draft. In the quote above he said the next draft is the "big one" so in actuality the real work for the team is only just beginning. I read that entire blog post by BS and if you really read it, you can tell BS doesn't understand what the delay is and is just trying to explain why it could possibly take such a ridiculously long time to edit the book and putting a positive spin on a situation that he doesn't agree with. How do you know the 2nd draft BS turned in was VERY rough draft? Look I can understand why Harriet wants to get this right, but she is allotting basically four times the amount of time she spent editing the last two books. At some point you reach a point of diminishing returns, where continuous tinkering isn't going to dramatically change the quality of the book.
  10. As has been explained numerous times in the thread the second rough draft hasn't even been turned in. Not sure how the editing could take 13 months when we are almost in March and the revision process has barely started. The correct reasons for the delay have been giving in this thread and the cover art process could be another piece to the puzzle. I must have missed the release from TOR, team Jordan, or BS saying why the release date is so far off. Everything in this thread is just fan conjecture, speculation and opinion. Editing started in December when the first draft was turned in. So 13 months is accurate.
  11. Tell me where I suggested they were trying to milk us for money. I don't have any idea what the delay is for and that is what I have the problem with! The only thing I know is it isn't for editing (i don't care how many posters say it is, I would have to be retarded to believed they need over a year for editing and publishing). If there is some rational reason then they should just say so. If there is a good reason for it then I'm fine with the delay, but right now I don't have one, because they haven't provided one. Heck if BS thinks the delay is too long, then it is too long. Maybe I'm tech stupid, but I have no idea what @233 is. By the way, I don't think when they release AMoL will alter how many copies are sold our how much they are sold for. The readers that made it through books 1 - 13 WILL BUY AMoL whenever it comes out. And new readers won't buy book 14 of a 3 to 4 million word series.
  12. Terez, The link you posted has nothing to do with providing clarity to information that will be posted Monday. It is just that idiotic rant by Leigh Buttler that compares WoT fans to petulant, whiney children. Just because some have rightfully expressed their displeasure that they are unhappy that a book they have been waiting patiently for years is being delayed by three more months for no apparent reason. If you are Leigh Buttler I apologize! Not for calling the rant idiotic, because it was, but for doing it here, because I respect most of what you post. I hope TOR or someone does clarify to the WoT fan base why they are waiting 3, 4, or 5 months longer than they need. Maybe there is more going on than we are aware of, but there is no way you can convince me it will take 13 months to edt and publish AMoL. That is what fans are ticked off about! And it is clear that even Brandon doesn't think it should take that long. Hopefully, you just provided the wrong link or my smart phone is linking me to the wrong link.
  13. Just some thoughts on what I've in the comments: - No TOR, Harriet and Brandon are not our "bitches" but they do work for us! We pay their salaries so they work for us! - A release date of November would have given Team Jordan and TOR over ten months to edit, advertise (like that really needs to be done!), print and distribute. Ten months is an insanely long time to accomplish that. 13 months is just absurd. - Yes, we want the book to be great but ten months is more than enough time. And I would also like to point out that RJs books weren't without fault either (like Domon not recognizing Thom when he see him again in Tanchico, after the rescuing him, Rand and Mat from a Trollocs attack. You would think Domon would have remembered the Gleeman spending several days on the Spray - This IMHO is one of RJs biggest gaffs!) I can't remember any gaffs in TGS or ToM that were anywhere near that bad! - BS thinks that a November release was a good conservative timeline and it is apparent that he thinks January is WAY to long! - I am looking forward to some cover art that is better than what DSweet has been putting out since tEotW, but I'm afraid they will put some nondescript, graphics or design on the cover of the hardback because they won't want to pick another artists!
  14. I always figured the Pattern was the Creator’s way of keeping things on track w/o squashing free will. If things go too far off course he creates Ta'veren to help right the ship. Now can the kids still burn down the house (let the DO out)? Of course they can. However, even though the Creator doesn't interfere directly, the Pattern and Ta'veren are there as cosmic fire extinguishers.
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