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  1. i have sorta simular thoughts... i believe that the DO can only win if he turns Rand to the shadow... like at VoG... if Rand had given in to the darkness.. he would have ended the pattern which is sorta what the DO ultimatly wants... but i think after VoG, thats when the last battle began... Rand holding of the shadow was almost liike the first attack and when that failed... the attack on everyone else for the pattern comenced... if u get what i mean like...
  2. I felt that mat and gawyn were the two charaters that changed the most.... i felt as if i'd lost a friend who will never retern with mat's charater... like it was to be expected wiv BS and i'm glad hes finishing the WoT but its sad that the mat we are used to disapeared under a shallow potrail of what he was...
  3. Well, i reconomended to my friend to read it after he has finished all the published books like i did, because after the black ajar revalations in TGS, it was interesting to see how some of the black ajar aes sedai/accepted started off... it gave NS for those parts and intersting dynamic since you knew who the charaters really are... get what i mean like... i wanted that dynamic experience to be avaliable to my friend too, but ultimatly, it is up to him. I was to engrossed in the main series to want to read the prequel till i had finished the 13 books anyway.
  4. I always thought it was obvious that the lightning eye thing was a reference to Mat giving half the light of the world to save the world... lightning is a form of light... and when he sacrificed half the light of the world, his eye got ripped out... do you get what I mean like.... that’s why in this prophecy it says “the lightning his eye” it was symbolising mat giving up half the light of the world (his ‘lightning’ eye) to save the world....
  5. i just like big books and long series... thats what go me to pick up WoT; i get through books so quickly but why i love WoT, i just love how RJ describes things in so much detail and hides clues of what is to come. I love how the charaters develop, change grow and sometime go backwards; i really get invovled with the charaters. The story is great, leaving me wanting to read more and the actual world that has been created could easily be a real place. Ive never read anything as good as this series and thats why i love WoT. Compared to other fanacy i've read, it is definatly top or a joint first
  6. its back so soon.. yay my vote goes to saphira every time!! the inheritance cycle got me into fantacy... :) (i will also vote for morraine aswell ) and i will always vote agaist Mr wednesday!! ( american god's -worst book i've ever read it put me off reading for 6 weeks...) oo...Gimli and Iorek Byrnison also get my vote but if the paired up it would have to be Iorek Byrnison
  7. Ive always liked this (Barid Bel Medar) theory. I always thought along the same lines but you have really refined it... like when the dark one and the creator are viewed as good and evil it doesn't make sense because if the creator was good he would stop suffering but him being a creative force matchs in with his actions (or lack of) thoughout the series. The same goes for the DO. Also the concept of good and evil has always seemed... naff to me, espacially in fantasy series... and the way the DO and the creator paired up mirrors some physical notions which we know RJ knew about from his science background...
  8. isn't as good as my first one but i liked the image
  9. No it makes sense, I have seen those arguments before and I used to think along similar terms. To me though I can't get past that quote I provided. Again the question refers to a specific incident in text where Ishamael was referring to Rand's soul, not some generic "Hero of the Light". RJ says in that instance Ishamael was not lying. To me it's pretty cut and dry. In text if Ishamael had just said "we have turned the Creators Champion" or some such there would be an argument. Ishamael however was specifying Rand's soul and RJ said he wasn't lying. lol probally me making those arguments... i'm very pasionate about this theory and its on a few topics relating to the subject i see where ur coming from but... that quote doesn't prove anything because maybe the person who asked it intent was on a specific incident in the text but all RJ hears is the question askes "Was Ishamael lying when he told Rand that the hero of the Light had turned to Shadow in other lifetimes?" RJ doesn't know its on about a specific incedent in the text.. all hes being asked is that was ishy telling the truth when the hero/champion of the light and in context of the question RJ says yes to the question which asks only if ishmeal was lying to rand about the hero of the light.. it doesn't ask "Was ishmeal lying when he said that Rand had turned to the shadow in other life times". also ... why didn't RJ say... "no, rands soul has turned to the shadow in other life times"?? he instead answered with a very vague answer which answers the question only... "Even those who lie sometimes tell the truth when it serves their purposes." RJ is screaming here.. in context of the actual question RJ was asked specifically that ishmael was telling an aes sedai truth at this instant that the original question refers to.. do u get what i mean.. i know ishy does say "you" to the Rand has been turned... but thats NOT the question being asked above... like i wud have been conviced i was wrong if RJ answered that rands soul had turned.. or if the question said "Was Ishamael lying when he told Rand that Rands's soul had turned to Shadow in other lifetimes?" but all he says yes to is that the hero of the lights' soul has turned... Anyway... this quote below contradict the above quote unless in the incident when ishmeal metions the hero/champion of the light has turned... he was on about other heros/champions of the light.. (this was what RJ said when it is actually asked if rands soul aka LLT soul has turned in the past) RJ states that ishmael was lying when he said about LLT/Rands soul had turned but if u believe the first quote is on about rand then these two statments by RJ contradict.. and for them to not contradict... when ishmael was on about heros/champions of the light being turned.. rand can't have been one of the heros/champions of the light that had turned.. it was other people ishy was on about who had turned, not rand and ishy said about the hero/champion of the light knowing rand wud assume he was on about himself as rand wudn't know about other heros/champions of the light.. which meant ishy was telling the truth.. like RJ said.. but ishy knew rand wud thing ishy was on about him...
  10. Moridin didn't want him dead because primarily of the link. We see how upset he was about Rand just losing a hand and how that affected him. Also they didn't just kill him because there are degrees of victory. Per the game of Fisher killing him outright doesnt assure you victory and may not achieve the DO's goals. As for Rand's soul we know it has been turned because... Looking at the statement RJ is saying Ishamael wasn't lying in this instance and in the book Ishy was referring specifically to Rand, not some generic "Hero of the Light". Mordin didn't want rand dead before the link though and the quote u showed says the hero of the light aka the champion of the light not rand... look at the way RJ answers... there have been other souls who were hero of the light/champion of the light and all RJ says is that the hero of the light has turned... he didn't say rand had turned... ishy was telling the truth but using an aes sedai truth to torment/tempt rand... to serve his purpose... all ishy said was the hero of the light had turned... ishy didn't say rand or rands soul... and RJ has said that the hero/champion of the light has turned before in a quote below the my fist quote (but he didn't say rands soul... only the champion of the light) anyway heres some quotes: Now this quote shows, from Lord of Chaos chapter 6, that the DO wants to turn Rand almost asmuch as the DO wants to escape... i'll talk about the later part of the quote ive bolded later but for now.. i'll talk about DO wanting rands turned... like another quote says that now why would the DO want rand turned if it results in a draw...?? how cud the DO want this almost as much as being free.. which wud result in the wheel being broken..? what i conclude/think is that there CoTL (champions of the light) that turned were other hero's of the horn, not rand and rand was kept alive to turn him because he hasn't been turned before.. and only his turning can bring about the DO totally winning (or the DO being free) like if rand had turned at VoG.. the pattern wud have been destroyed.. and the DO wud have totally won so ishy wants rand alive in the beginging because he knew this and cos the DO wanted rand alive.. but i do agree that ishy wants rand alive/safe aswell now because of the link.. i forgot about that... only read the books through once see... but that doesn't explain keeping him alive before the link... IIRC didn't mordin SAVE rands life in the same chapter of CoS (pulled him up from falling or something) before the link was made..?? why save his life there for?? there was no link... there had to be another reason dofre the link to keep him alive anyway... in the previous book quote its mentions the creator's champion... it doesn't say rand... and the creators champion can be other heros of the horn... and it can't be rand who ishy was on about because of this quote: this is asking about the LoC quote (i think) and when the question specifically asks was ishy lying when he says RANDS soul has turned... RJ says ishy was lying but when asked if the hero/champion of the light has turned RJ says thats true ... meaning that the only way RJ doesn’t contradict himself is if there are other CoTL and that they have turned and out of the CoTL that have turned rand has never been one of the ones turned to the shadow.. remember RJ said that ishy was telling the truth about the hero/champion of the light in a fishy/ aes sedai way.. indicating RJ was saying ishy was telling the truth but only about the hero/champion of the light being turned.. which was what the question asked... not rand being turned.. and when it is asked DIRECTLY has rand soul/LLT soul turned using rands/LLT specific name.. RJ says no ishys lying about rands soul turning to the shadow... ^^ sorry a little bit of a tangent... but is still relates to the main topic as it shows (well evidence towards it anyway) that turning rands soul has never happened before and mordin keeping him alive (before and after the link) has its roots in either or in combination of ishy knowing that turning rand is one of the only way for the shadow to win and to turn him, rand must be alive and/or the DO telling ishy not to kill rand but to try and turn him as its one of the ways that allows the DO to totally win and destroy the pattern.. thats my theory anyhow... I hope it makes sense..
  11. My theory that i have thought for a while is that Mordin doesn't or what I believe didn't want rand dead before VoG because the DO can only true win if rand is turned to the shadow. Why else would they keep him alive..? surely it would be easier for the shadow to just kill him and keep him away from the LB (like the world looks screwed without rand so y not just kill him). It has never been confirmed that rands soul has been turned to the shadow... the champion of the light has... who can be any hero that is bound to the horn... but it has never been stated directly that rands soul has turned to the shadow... Like if rand had turned to the shadow (gave in to his dark desire of destruction) at VoG... he would have destroyed the pattern.. and isn't that the DO ultimate goal/victory..? Seriously can you think of any other logical reason to keep rand alive.. like yeah rand has caused dissension and chaos before VoG which the DO wants so it could be a reason to keep him alive but the dissension and chaos was caused by the DO influence on rand via the taint... but the taint was the DO way of turning rand to the shadow so the resultant chaos rand produced around him was a by-product of the battle the DO has been fighting for rands soul From TEoTW the main battle has been for the rands soul more than anything... why go through all the effort of turning rand unless turning him is better for the DO to have rand than killing him??? well thats my theory tho i have said it before on other topics and people have disagreed wiv me
  12. theres something about Padan Fain... he will survive... hes like a cockroch... i think he will survive but end up in a have life state... mordin will die i think, tho can death die..? Also... demandred will die in an epic battle.... and i hope lanfear sacrifices herself to save rands life... that'll be an unexpected romantic twist, going on the motion that anyone who's in the shadows grasp can retern to the light... and who better than the person who unleashed the DO..?
  13. i noticed them too but they must just be coincedenses.. no-one can be that blantent about copying others work.. like many people say that TEoTW is RJ copying LoLR.. tho i will agree... inheritance cycle is a fantacy version of star wars.. though that doesn't stop the series from being good (if CP never wrote eragon i wud have never have found my love of fantacy and subsuquently TWoT)
  14. i thought that the term dragon for rands soul was a play on eternity, the snake eating its own tail is the same as a dragon eating its own tail like the consellation draco.. it can be seen as a dragon like in the film dragon heart or as a snake... i thought it was used to reflect that the wheel will keep spining and rands soul will be reborn time and time again.. anyway.. to the topic... IIRC i think i thought it was a girraff as well
  15. used to hate reading till about the age of 13.. where i picked up some kid action books (alex rider :P) all because of an accident in school... now i was 13 and very immature but if it wasn't for this i wouldn't have found my love of reading... me and 3 friend sat around a table in an English class and the teacher chucks 4 stormbreaker books down and tells us to read... i was preparing to endure an hour of boredom where my friend on pg 31 IIRC notices if u change BMW to mean Big Man's W___ (i assume u can guess what the third word was...)from the car then the most hilarious scene unfolds.. ( like i said.. young and immature) like the word BMW comes up alot in the scene because it is a scene describing BMW being crushed in a junk yard... like IIRC a quote from the book was "the BMW screamed as the two metal plates crushed it" we were in fits laughing and i was sad to put the book down at the end of the lesson. Because of this i bought the book and now for someone who hated "hobby" reading... i read each consecutive book in the series so far every 1/2 days..i was shaking while reading many of the scenes from anticipation and the thrill of these books.. i finally knew why i used to hate reading, i just hadn't found the right ones.. and thats what headed me down action and adventure books and then fantasy... though to get to fantasy was an accident which relied on a few factors miraculously coming together.. such as my bro having the second book of my first fantasy series (inheritance cycle) being given to him when i was 10/11 a primary school friend having motioned her love for the series when i was 9 and the fact i could remember about this ... the fact the first book was published though the film eragon coming out in cinema (rubbish film)which made me remember about the series and the fact i was desperate to read because i had just finished harry potter and was feeling depressed... anyway.. from there i read lots of kid fantasy still some action books as well.. some adult (LoLR which was a waste of 6 days of my life tho i loved the films)... read twilight (dw... im not a fan.. they were rubbish books that i read to see what the "hype" was about) and finally found WoT in WH smiths because i saw the word dragon (and i liked dragons since i was an eragon fan :P) and i saw the length of the books and series (13 brick-like books long when i found it.) a and since i read quick.. i thought these books would occupy me and here i am... posting on a fan site because i love the books so much.. if things had turned out different i might have never have found reading.. which for me now.. is a horrible thought like i have a 60+ book pile to get through.. and i love it.. edit: very bad spelling.. as always for me :/
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