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Paul H

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  1. What point are you trying to make with this thread? I followed the news about the final three books very closely, from the moment that Brandon was announced as the author, mostly by reading Brandon's blog and his Twitter feed. And all of Brandon's quotes that you posted here are consistent with the things he was saying while he was writing (or researching prior to writing) the last three books. So I don't see any big surprise or stunning revelation in what you have posted.
  2. I'm reading The Hobbit to my kids right now (a chapter or partial chapter each night at bedtime). They are enjoying it, and I am too. I read it many years ago, but I had forgotten most of the plot. It is interesting to see how huge a debt the fantasy genre owes to Tolkein. I see many things in The Hobbit (and I'm sure also in Lord of the Rings) that clearly influenced later fantasy books (including The Wheel of Time) as well as the Dungeons and Dragons role-playing game (and probably other RPGs too). I'm also reading The Brothers Karamazov (on my own, not to the kids), but it is going slowly. I have found it very slow and boring so far, but I am only about 150 pages into the book, and I am sticking with it in the hope that it gets better.
  3. I had the same question after I read ToM. At the time, it seemed to me that Brandon and Team Jordan had made a mistake here. However, I believe I did read an explanation similar to what wotfan4472 posted: Perhaps this is right, but I would have to re-read the book in order to convince myself that this is a viable explanation. My impression based on my first and only read-through of ToM (a couple of years ago now) was that making a gateway should not have been possible, because gateways were already not working before that point. (But it is also possible that I am mistaken.) I also heard one other explanation, that perhaps Tam and Nynaeve Traveled by opening a gateway some distance away from Perrin's camp, outside the area affected by the dreamspike.
  4. Brandon has made it known that neither the other prequels nor the "outrigger" novels will be written. The notes that Robert Jordan left for these novels were very sparse anyway. (In some cases, I think there was as little as one sentence.) And if I understand correctly, Harriet does not want the Wheel of Time to be something that goes on and on, with other authors writing in Robert Jordan's world. The one thing that is forthcoming is the Encyclopedia.
  5. (Warning: This post contains a quote from Brandon Sanderson with spoilers for Towers of Midnight.) I read most of Brandon's blog posts and tweets throughout the writing process, and I got the impression that any changes to Jordan's text were minimal, and were made mostly by Harriet. I think that Brandon gave the example of changing some verb tenses in RJ's text, to show that that was about as far as he would go with changing any of Jordan's text. I think he also mentioned that Harriet made some minor edits to blend Brandon's and RJ's styles a little bit, such as adding a few contractions in Jordan's text, and removing a few contractions in Brandon's text. But perhaps the edits were more extensive than that, and I guess there is no way that most of us will ever know for sure. I dug up a relevant quote about this here: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=722#8
  6. I read most of Brandon's blog posts and tweets throughout the writing process, and I got the impression that any changes to Jordan's text were minimal, and were made mostly by Harriet. I think that Brandon gave the example of changing some verb tenses in RJ's text, to show that that was about as far as he would go with changing any of Jordan's text. I think he also mentioned that Harriet made some minor edits to blend Brandon's and RJ's styles a little bit, such as adding a few contractions in Jordan's text, and removing a few contractions in Brandon's text. But perhaps the edits were more extensive than that, and I guess there is no way that most of us will ever know for sure.
  7. One thing that I will point out though: The parts that Robert Jordan wrote in books 12-14 are not as polished as his writing in the earlier books. If I understand correctly, we are reading what was essentially his first draft of those scenes (probably with some minor edits by Harriet), rather than his usual output which would go through multiple revisions. So don't expect RJ's absolute best writing, but it's still very good. No one has officially given a complete list of which scenes in books 12-14 were written by RJ, as far as I know. But I believe it was confirmed that he wrote at least one scene in each book's prologue (all of which were originally intended to be in a single prologue, back when RJ intended for books 12-14 to be a single book), as well as a scene near the end of book 13, and the very last scene of book 14. Maybe a few others have been confirmed as RJ; I'm not sure. There are several other scenes that I suspect he wrote, but it has been a while since I read the books, so I couldn't tell you which ones -- and I wouldn't want to anyway since I would be giving you spoilers.
  8. Yes, that's true. And being busy could be part of the reason that he hasn't posted any Wheel of Time annotations yet. However, Brandon is always working on multiple projects at once. And back when he was extremely busy with the Wheel of Time (as well as The Way of Kings), he was still posting annotations for some of his older books. So I suspect that he would post the Wheel of Time annotations sooner or later unless he has changed his mind about wanting to do it, or unless Harriet has asked him not to. And maybe one of those things has happened. I just haven't heard anything one way or the other.
  9. Back when Brandon Sanderson was working on the last three Wheel of Time books, he mentioned at least once on his blog that he might at some point post chapter-by-chapter annotations on his web site. He does this for some of his own books (a while after they are published), where he posts insights into the writing process or maybe additional tidbits on the plot and characters. If I remember correctly, he said that he would like to do the same thing for the final three WoT books, but that he would do it only with Harriet's permission. Does anyone know if this is something that still might happen at some point? Has Brandon, Harriet, or anyone else mentioned anything about this recently? I am guessing there is a good chance that Harriet has asked him not to do it, but I haven't heard anything definite one way or the other. (Or it may be that Brandon has decided that he would rather not open a can of worms, with all of the internet discussions that would likely ensue from these annotations -- or that he is just too busy focusing on his own books right now.)
  10. (EDIT: bofred, I should mention that there are only the most minor of spoilers, if any, for books 11-14 in this post, so I think that you can read it safely. I pretty much comment only on the structure of books 11-14, not the content of the plot.) Elayne's bid for the throne of Andor is one of my least favorite sub-plots in the entire series too. I couldn't remember exactly which books covered that sub-plot, but it makes sense that a lot of it would be in Crossroads of Twilight, because that is definitely the slowest book in the series. Knife of Dreams is a slow book too, but it doesn't seem so slow compared to CoT. And in KoD, I felt for the first time that things were starting to come together, and that we were seeing some plot resolutions. I've probably posted this before, but I found it interesting how my perceptions changed in regard to how many books it would take to complete the series, as I read through each book for the first time. I think it went something like this: When I finished book 1, I couldn't imagine the series lasting more than 3 books. (But I knew that there were already 5 or 6 books in the series at that time, which seemed like too many.) Even as I was partway through book 3, it still seemed like the series would end with that book. I couldn't imagine how Jordan could stretch it for three more books. (Book 6 was definitely out by this time.) When I finished book 4, I could see the series going 6 or 7 books, maybe even 8. When I finished book 6, I thought that it would take at least 10 books total to wrap everything up, and maybe as many as 12. When I finished book 8, I thought that there is no way he can wrap up the series in fewer than 12 books total, and that it will probably go longer, maybe 14. When I finished book 10, I thought that it would be difficult to finish the series in fewer than 16 books total. But when I finished book 11, I began to think that Jordan could possibly finish the series with only 14 books. So book 11 was the point at which the tide turned for me -- when my estimate of how many books it would take to complete the series actually went down for the first time. As for your reluctance to move on from the Robert Jordan books to the Jordan/Sanderson books, I understand. There definitely is a change in tone. And there are stylistic grammar changes -- one of which bugged me so much that it constantly pulled my focus onto the words themselves instead of what the words meant. And the organization of books 12 and 13 could have been a lot better. And I have a long list of complaints about book 14, some of which have nothing to do with Brandon Sanderson. But having said that, I am very, very glad that these books were published. I think that Brandon did a very good job overall, considering the monumental task that he had to complete. I greatly enjoyed books 12 and 13. (I didn't enjoy book 14 so much, but it was nice to finally have an ending.) And the last three books aren't all Brandon Sanderson. Robert Jordan wrote several scenes in each book, and in some cases it is pretty easy to tell which scenes he wrote. One of his scenes in book 13 is pure awesome!
  11. (Warning: This post contains moderate spoilers for Towers of Midnight.) I would say that all of the middle books (say 7-10 or 7-11) are somewhat underrated, probably by people like me who read the first six books one after another, and then had to wait years between books after that. I still think that these middle books are the weakest in the series, but I also think that if you read straight through, they aren't quite as weak as I had originally thought. They definitely have too many slow parts, and take too many pages to get through too little story, but the slow parts are easier to deal with, knowing that I can dive right into the next book. I would also mention Towers of Midnight as possibly underrated. It seems to get a lot of criticism due to the way it jumps back and forth in the timeline. I think that this is a very valid criticism, and these timeline problems definitely detracted from my enjoyment of the book. (For example, there is a point at the end when Perrin's and Egwene's timelines converge, yet I thought that Perrin was still a month behind Egwene at that point, so having them meet each other suddenly seemed to come completely out of left field.) However, having said all of that, there are some very, very awesome scenes throughout Towers of Midnight. I would even include a certain scene with Mat, Thom, and Noal near the end as one of my favorites of the entire series. And Aviendha's vision, while bleak, harks back in a very powerful way to The Shadow Rising, and reveals some very interesting things about the world of the Wheel of Time. If Brandon and Team Jordan ever wanted to take the time to reorganize The Gathering Storm and Towers of Midnight to fix the timeline problems in ToM, these would be two of the strongest books in the series, in my opinion. As it is, I still would categorize ToM as an underrated book, though not quite as strong as some of the early books.
  12. I think it is just a different (older?) usage of the word, where each half (left side and right side) is a singular moustache, so that both halves together are moustaches (plural).
  13. This is a good point. I think maybe they came across as more evil than you give them credit for, but several of them seemed to be obsessed with various worldy goods (power, comfort/leisure, sex, etc.) much more than being purely evil. But then I think in a way that is the point -- that many people on the side of evil are not 100% evil. Sometimes they are just looking out for the best situation for themselves. I would have liked that too. Though there could be too much of a good thing. If the epilogue were too much longer, it might feel anti-climactic. I wonder if the upcoming WoT encyclopedia will contain notes on outcomes of various characters, beyond what is revealed in the books. (However, they can't include that information unless RJ had it in his notes.)
  14. It is very hard to pick just one scene, but the scene that I thought was most awesome at the time that I originally read it was the ending of Lord of Chaos, with the battle and the rescue of Rand, and the Aes Sedai swearing fealty to him. Here are some other scenes that I thought were great: Rand's visions of the history of the Aiel in Rhuidean in TSR The whole scene at Falme, with Egwene's rescue and Rand battling Ba'alzamon in TGH The cleansing of saidin (in Winter's Heart?) The escape from the Trollocs into Shadar Logoth in TEOTW The rescue of Moiraine in book 13 (I can't think of the name of that book at the moment) The "Darkfriend Social" in TGH Pretty much any scene where the Forsaken are plotting with or against each other The initial journey through the Ways. (At this point I forget exactly who was in the traveling party, where they were going from and to, and which book it was in.) I am sure that there are some Mat scenes that I should add to this list, but I can't think of specific ones right now.
  15. I started reading in 1995, and finished reading a few months after the release of A Memory of Light. Before the last two or three books, I re-read books 1-11 or 1-12. I can't remember if I read book 12 before the re-read, and then read it again as part of the re-read, or if I read it only once at the end of the re-read. Either way, I think that it took me about one or two years to read straight through books 1 to 12 (with a few smaller books read in between, but not many).
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