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  1. Luckers, on a different note, can you tell us what you thought of AMoL overall? Just a thumbs up or thumbs down? Leigh Butler has given her non-spoiler review and provided a whole heckuva lot more than thumbs up/down in it - and I am sure she had to sign an NDA as well.
  2. There is something that I just can't make sense of in regard to Logain's faction being slowly 13x13'd and I am wondering if you all can explain this to me.. Why are we seeing the Asha'man that were with Logain s l o w l y showing up as being turned? How would this be possible unless Logain's entire group was accosted and captured all at the same time? If this is true, then, unless Logain was killed during this event (which we know cannot be the case due to Min's viewing), why wouldn't he have been the first to be turned? IF Logain's group was not all captured at once, and they are being singularly captured as they randomly return to the Black Tower, this seems.. odd. Since the Dreamspike is in place, wouldn't the inability to Travel directly to the BT immediately raise an alarm in Logain's group? After they send one Asha'man back to the tower to see what is going on, and he doesn't return, wouldn't you stop sending them? Anyone have any ideas here? I really hope this is thoroughly explained in aMoL or I am going to be peeved.
  3. Oh, right, forgot about that. Yes, he could repeat that act, although I wonder if it's thematically prudent to have him blow the Horn twice in one book (anyone thinks it wouldn't be needed against the Shadow?). Of course, your second sentence kind of flies in the face of that. I do remember Hawkwing at Falme, and he didn't seem to have any effect on the Seanchan there (he was plenty visible, leading the Heroes as he did). For all we know, it was the reason the Seanchan were so thoroughly beaten. The only thing I find odd is that there is no mention of Hawkwing by any of the Seanchan (that we know of) after Falme. Either we just were not privy to those thoughts or they didn't even recognize him.
  4. So, have been re-reading ToM and am curious whether the Seanchan will launch their attack against the White Tower or not. While it seems obvious that they would, and this would have dire consequences for the Aes Sedai, I just don't think it will be a simple attack. It seems like it may coincide with an attack of Shadowspawn or something. Or that the attack will not happen at all as something will occur that makes the Seanchan unable to or no longer willing to. I am curious what the thoughts are out there on this?
  5. Just saw this on Brandon's twitter. Hey Brandon - I always thought Logain had a cool character arc. How much of him do we see in AMOL?@BrandSanderson BrandSanderson Brandon Sanderson @Bmueller11 He will be seen. How much, or in what capacity, would be a spoiler, I'm afraid. Oct 06, 3:31 PM via web In reply to… So, at least we know he is not dead. Ha, however, I don't think that is much of a surprise.
  6. Or is imprisoned by Taim. That would be sweeeeet That would just be odd if he was imprisoned by Taim. Seems like they would either turn him or kill him.. imprisonment doesn't make sense. It makes more sense that Logain is planning something major.. perhaps an assault against Taim. I am curious how Mezar was captured as well. Donalo and Welyn are unnacounted for as well - so they are either with Logain, Rand or captured. Something else to consider is that Logain has bonded 2 Aes Sedai. If he were captured, they would also need to have been captured or killed or they would likely raise an alarm. Of a more curious note is that Mezar (who we know has been 13x13'd) also bonded an Aes Sedai (Adrielle) and they have become "fond of each other". I wonder where she is? Surely, the warder bond would reveal the trauma of being captured and turned to the Shadow by 13 evil dreadlords channeling through 13 Myrddraal. I wonder what the effect on the Warder bond this has? What does it do to the Warder (in this case a female channeler)?
  7. a_lilly_in_winter posted the below as a new topic by mistake: "Androl had been worrying for weeks now. Ever since Logain had left in the night. Where had he gone? Why had he taken Donalo, Mezar and Welyn---three of the most powerful Dedicated loyal to him---along?" Androl's p.o.v. in ToM p. 682 Later, in "Something Wrong" (p. 818) in T.o.M., Mezar reappears in the BT but he has been turned to the shadow, presumably by the 13/13 trick. ------------------------ Some clarification here.. Logain left with Donalo, Mezar and Welyn but they all were with Rand when he met the fake Tuon. The Wheel of Time Wike explains it best: "Mezar bonded Adrielle unwillingly, although they have now become fond of each other. He has Traveled to Tear to join up with Logain and Rand. He watches Rand's meeting with the Daughter of the Nine Moons from a distance and Travels in as back up when it is revealed that the Daughter of the Nine Moons is actually Semirhage. In Towers of Midnight, he is sent back to the Black Tower, and then he becomes one of Mazrim Taim's favourites. His eyes also change, look different, and his smile is wrong. Most likely, he was turned to the Dark One by thirteen Myrddraal and thirteen Dreadlords." So, my guess here is that Mezar came back to the Black Tower on his own, and was accosted by Taim and his lackeys and turned. The reference to Logain leaving with Mezar, Donalo and Welyn is when they joined up with Rand in Tear.
  8. I think it is also mentioned that Rand does not know where Logain is either. According to wot.wikia, it is states: Logain mysteriously goes missing sometime after this incident (Semirhage acting as Tuon). Rand suspects something may have happened to him. I do not know exactly where this is referenced in the books, but if this is true, something major is going on with Logain. He has been gone for weeks.. maybe a couple of months, where no one we have a POV from knows where he is. Very odd. I don't remember Rand ever suspecting that something may have happened to him. However according to ToM when he Naeff to the BT, he believes that Logain is at the BT. Which he is not. So whatever he is doing and wherever he is, it doesn't appear to be on Rand's orders. Rand actually gives Naeff instructions on a message for Logain. So, it's obvious he assumes Logain is at the Black Tower.. and we know he is not, unless he is in disguse.
  9. I think it is also mentioned that Rand does not know where Logain is either. According to wot.wikia, it is states: Logain mysteriously goes missing sometime after this incident (Semirhage acting as Tuon). Rand suspects something may have happened to him. I do not know exactly where this is referenced in the books, but if this is true, something major is going on with Logain. He has been gone for weeks.. maybe a couple of months, where no one we have a POV from knows where he is. Very odd.
  10. I am re-reading Towers of Midnight and one of the more perplexing questions I have (and there are several, as you all know) is WHERE DID LOGAIN GO? Even Rand does not know where he is, so that takes away the possibility that he and Logain are plotting something together. And, if they were purposely keeping this a secret, why would he send Naeff to check on the Black Tower? I can only think of a two possibilities, but neither of them are rock solid: 1. He has been captured by the Shadow. Certainly possible, but since we know he has "Great Glory" in his future, he is not dead. And if I were the bad guys, I would either turn him to the shadow forcibly or kill him. If he has been turned to the shadow, then how will he get his "glory"? 2. He is plotting something on his own. The only thing here that makes sense is if he is plotting to take the Black Tower back from Taim. If this is the case, he would likely need a lot of Asha'man and Aes Sedai. How could he keep that a secret from everyone? Any other ideas here? This is one that just doesn't make any sense to me.
  11. I disagree. Why would Slayer think that Perrin could get inside the tower? Is it that easy in Teleranrhiod to enter the Tower of Ghenjei? I doubt it. It would be.. lame if that is what Jordan meant to do in that scene. Plus, Birgette implies that Slayer did go inside - hence her warning for Perrin not to do so. I think there is more here than just some Slayer subterfuge. Someone should ask Brandon a clever question if we will see the Finns in AMoL. And whether Slayer has any dealings with them. Maybe we won't get a RAFO.
  12. In The Shadow Rising, Slayer is seen entering the TOG. Now that we know what it is like inside, because of Mat, Thom and Noal's rescue of Moiraine, does anyone have any idea what Slayer is going there for? He must have a way of getting out as well, which we all know is not easy. Mat's Ashendarei does not appear to be a very common item. One of my theories is that the veiled creatures at the end of Towers of Midnight are actually the Foxes, somehow lured into Randland to fight for the Shadow. Their pointed teeth are eerily familar to what is described of the Foxes by Mat. Thoughts?
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