I have a interesting question,

Is Nynaeve and Lan's Marriage Legit?

Because i just finished new Spring and doesn't Lan's 'first' have to give that lock of hair to the one he's to marry, which is impossible since it no longer exists?

Not important in any respect but interesting. also what ever happened to her?

I wonder if it's possible to create a weave opposite to balefire that repairs/returns threads of the pattern rather than destroying them... :B surely if you can create a thread that destroys while affecting time you could create one that does the reverse?

I'm more interested in what happens to the Tuathan Male channelers

*Edit for minor spelling errors

Also it may be some sort of scene in a fantasy novel or something.....

You're correct though. There are a number of things that happen in the first book or two that don't really make a lot of sense given the information present in the rest of the series. I'd rather not read too deeply into it when I can just chalk it up to the fact that RJ was still developing the world at the time

I can understand small discrepancies here and there when fleshing out something as large as the WoT however Ishi is one of THE main characters, from how i see it, plays as large a role as Rand so why wouldn't his character be as fleshed out? surely RJ would have come up with some excuse why a sword would melt when stabbed into someone, let alone someone of extreme importance.

Well Ishamael wasn't exactly a normal human. Considering this guy knows exactly how power-wrought swords are made and the fact that the True Power can sap even cuendillar, I don't really think it's too odd that he could melt Tam's sword like that.

Even if he did know how they were made and as far as im away a LOT of TP is needed to sap cuendillar.

I still dont see how stabbing someone in the heart = a melted power-wrought blade.

Also i dont get how Ishi survived, if it was a TAR battle then he should be dead,if it was real he should be dead. unless im missing something?

Did we ever find out why Rands sword melted during the battle in Falme?

 

As far as I know - No. I guess it has something to do with battling a forsaken in the sky while he is full of OP/TP or such.

I'm surprised no one has asked, i mean the forsaken are human after all, a sword shouldn't melt just because the person is channeling or holding the TP/OP.

Did we ever find out why Rands sword melted during the battle in Falme?

 

That's the whole point he made whiny characters, because IRL PEOPLE ARE WHINY, Aes Sedai are brought up to believe they are the bees knees, the main crew from Emonds Field are still quite young so i don't blame them being whiny and slightly incompetent, i mean lets take your average school leaver and plonk the fate of the world in their hands, lets see how they accept it. RJ made characters that are realistic, more so then most book series out there. it's because they act this way that i like them, and since when does a Hero HAVE TO roll up his sleeves and accept whats going on without issues? I cant think of too many HEROES that didn't have a whine about why they have to do what they do. IMHO it's Heroic BECAUSE they moan and groan about not really wanting to act that way, a hero is one because despite all the issues they have about what they have to do they do it anyways.

 

And Rand does strut around acting high and mighty, how many times do they aiel mention it? I mean come on, he tells EVERYONE that because he's the Dragon he can do whatever he wants. I never said that Cadsuane didn't act high and mighty, she does though she's kinda expected to she has been around for 300+ years and is Aes Sedai.

 

To repeat it one more time - if I wanted reality I wouldn't be reading fantasy - I'd turn on TV or read a newspaper.

 

Yes, real people are whiny. I don't come to fantasy to read about real people, I come to read about people that are a little better than those I find in the news everyday. That's why it's called FANTASY, because it is NOT REAL.

 

I never said they shouldn't have issues with what's on their plates. What I'm trying to convey is that they shouldn't have nothing but issues with what's on their plates. Go ahead, have a fit. Get drunk. Curse. Have a good cry. Whatever it takes. Then, leave the pity party, sober up, and get on with it and DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

 

But, most of all, STOP THE WHINING. It was boring after four books. After twelve books, it's enough to make me root for the Dark.

Then it's not a problem with the characters but rather an issue with you and your tastes. Just because you believe Fantasy should be written in a particular style doesn't mean it should be or that things are WRONG when they go outside of the stock standard fantasy setting. I'm glad things go outside of what is considered the norm otherwise all we would have is Dragons, Elves and Dwarves Wizards for magic and only a handful of characters we would ever get to see.

But, this is fantasy. The Good Guys are supposed to be larger-than-life heroes, and the Bad Gus are supposed to be even larger-than-life villains.

 

I totally disagree, i think making the characters less EPIC and more rounded makes us relate to them so much more. i mean come on i related alot more to rand knowing he feels anguish over the things he cant control, i cant say i would relate as much if all he ever did was strut around blowing away shadowspawn and acting all high and mighty.

 

As for Cadsuane, it's her arrogance that allows us to connect to her, we as people these days are just as arrogant. I can't say i like the character but i DO like the way she is written.

 

Who said anything about "strut around blowing away shadowspawn and acting all high and mighty"? Other than the "blow away shadowspawn" part, that describes Cadsuane. She's the one who struts around acting all high and mighty. There's nothing at all heroic in that. A hero is somebody who tightens his belt, rolls up his sleeves and gets on with the heavy lifting. Without whimpering or whining about the unfairness of it all. ( In fairness, Cadsuane does do a bunch of that. She just exerts her efforts in unproductive ways. )

 

To me, the function of literature, and fantasy in particular, is to encourage us to grow and to be better than we are, not to excuse us for being the least we can be. Jordan gave us lowest common denominator characters. Whiners, backstabbers, crybabies, poseurs, morons, and idiots. And, those are the "Good Guys." The Bad Guys are just lame.

 

Mat and Perrin are near tied at the top of the whiner list. Rand doesn't whine much but he has been a crybaby. Yup, he's supposed to die. Guess what? That's true for everybody. Nobility of all nations heads the backstabber brigade. The Aes Sedai, Wise Ones, Windfinders ( actually all Sea Folk ) are probably the worst poseurs. And, everybody, top to bottom, wall to wall rides the short bus.

 

A pox on all of them, but Cadsuane and Faile most of all.

 

Except for Furyk Karede. He doesn't whine. He doesn't pretend. He puts his head down, uses his brain for something other than to keep his ears from rubbing together, and gets on with the job at-hand. He aint perfect but he's pretty damn good.

That's the whole point he made whiny characters, because IRL PEOPLE ARE WHINY, Aes Sedai are brought up to believe they are the bees knees, the main crew from Emonds Field are still quite young so i don't blame them being whiny and slightly incompetent, i mean lets take your average school leaver and plonk the fate of the world in their hands, lets see how they accept it. RJ made characters that are realistic, more so then most book series out there. it's because they act this way that i like them, and since when does a Hero HAVE TO roll up his sleeves and accept whats going on without issues? I cant think of too many HEROES that didn't have a whine about why they have to do what they do. IMHO it's Heroic BECAUSE they moan and groan about not really wanting to act that way, a hero is one because despite all the issues they have about what they have to do they do it anyways.

And Rand does strut around acting high and mighty, how many times do they aiel mention it? I mean come on, he tells EVERYONE that because he's the Dragon he can do whatever he wants. I never said that Cadsuane didn't act high and mighty, she does though she's kinda expected to she has been around for 300+ years and is Aes Sedai.

But, this is fantasy. The Good Guys are supposed to be larger-than-life heroes, and the Bad Gus are supposed to be even larger-than-life villains.

I totally disagree, i think making the characters less EPIC and more rounded makes us relate to them so much more. i mean come on i related alot more to rand knowing he feels anguish over the things he cant control, i cant say i would relate as much if all he ever did was strut around blowing away shadowspawn and acting all high and mighty.

As for Cadsuane, it's her arrogance that allows us to connect to her, we as people these days are just as arrogant. I can't say i like the character but i DO like the way she is written.

Cadsuanes biggest mistake was laying claim to the idea of getting Tam, if Tam had mentioned Nyv or even not mentioned AS at all who knows what the result could have been.