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Naggash

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  1. The Wheel spins them, yes, I wasn't talking about that. I said that ta'veren's influence is possible because the WW is a dreamshard and TAR laws apply. Basically, a ta'veren is someone who the Wheel spins with the unconscious ability to affect the dreamshard, being able to affect the world around in a very diluted version of what a trained dreamer can do in TAR to others and the enviroment. The fundamental workings of a dreamshard are: if you do not know that you're dreaming/in a dreamshard you can't possibly take control or affect it; if you do know you're in it it's still insanely hard to try and change things opposing the will of the shard's creator; the creator of the shard may allow others to take certain levels of control. I've always thought of ta'veren as people that don't know they're in a dreamshard, but who are granted a minimum lvl of control. Also, when Rand gets to light the pipe, I see two explanations relative to this theory: 1) When he was fighting the DO outside the pattern he realized the true nature of the world, so know he is a dreamer (quite a powerful one) conscoius of being dreaming, so he is able to affect the shard. 2) In addition to the above, the Creator granted him a free ticket for "do the hell u want here, u earned it". I'm not a fan of this one but some people are. And if you remember, when Perrin is learning to leap from WW to TAR he sais more than once things along the lines of "it was like waking up from a dream you didn't know you were dreaming". This are only some tidbits that add to the theory, but there are many many more. I'm speaking of this well, because it's what we're talking about xD
  2. I think creating dreamshards aka worlds is not so much interfering as it is, well, creating. Being in his dreamshards he could make the dreamers do whatever he desired but he doesn't. He just creates a buffer between souls and "life" so that souls don't actually die and get to have infinite chances in life (unless they are killed in the TAR, being it the real world), but still get to live a mortal life in the dream (lifespan and mortality as driving forces of mankind is one of the themes in the series). It's like saying that if souls were truly immortal, the world would end up falling into apathy, but having them live just one life is too restrictive, so this TAR-WW mechanism is created.
  3. The TAR is the real world and the Waking World is a dreamshard of TAR maintained by the Creator. And it has been since the very beginning. I've always believed this to be true since it makes too much sense to disregard and on top of that I simply like it; but moreover, I think it's a pretty extended and accepted theory. That's how ta'veren, wolfbrothers, sniffers, Horn of Valere and other weird skills and events (such as entering the TAR in the flesh) happen. This includes lighting the pipe or pushing the horse, as well as jumping between TAR and WW.
  4. The Windfinders were all taking turns to operate de BW, at least all the strong ones. The others aren't mentioned but I suppose they would be helpping in the battlefields like some Aes Sedai loners who fought "on their own" (and not under WT command) where they were more needed. Also, on Rand and Elayne's pregnancy, I think Ohkam's Razor will do quite a nice job here. He heard of her pregnancy from anyone on Perrin's 'team' (because A LOT of people in that camp knew) and assumed he was the dad. From who did he hear it specifically? Well, I don't know, could be almost anyone in that camp, but I guess it came up in his first reunion with Perrin following his arrival, whether it be Perrin who mentioned it or Faile or some other person from the "command core" who assisted that meeting, not even necessarily brought up on purpose but maybe on idle chat.
  5. Yes it is. I was actually defending him and other characters like him, not the other way around xD
  6. Also, killing off characters that have fulfilled their roles is poor writting actually. It just means you can't keep track of them so when they have done what you wanted you kill them. That may happen sometimes because of plot but other times those characters will just continue their lives without needing screen time to assert their existance. And when you write like RJ, having some points where the plot must be headed but leaving the "how to get there" up to "what would the characters do based on their personalities and situation", it is only natural that Fain would go after Rand and not just be forgotten (and I insist killing him just because is absurd), as well as it is only natural for those minor characters to go fight at the Last Battle (or loot corpses like our mercenary friends).
  7. Well by your way of thinking 80% of the characters in the last book should just have been killed previously. Characteres like Hurin, who fulfills his role and then is "forgotten" save for three small scenes, two of them irrelevant. Why didn't he kill him earlier instead of just giving us a small glimpse in the last book? There are tons of characters like Hurin or even less important having a brief moment of attention on aMoL. Just because RJ is a planner doesn't mean everything has to have ulterior motive. Those characters still appear to make us connect deeper with the war. Minor characters from all over the saga are showed fighting in the Las Battle for us to think "man, this huge battle, everyone is here, even that one farmer from the first book, this is it, this is the Tarmon'Gaidon". And Fain appears because he is an important character that didn't make sense to have killed earlier just "because he has done what he had to for the plot". I don't really think there's more to it than that. Of course your opinion is 100% valid but your arguments seem weak to me. As for the "value of argument" thingy, I have to say you're right. I didn't mean it was futile, just that it was trivial in this case. And I meant that once all parts have exposed their arguments and agree to disagree, more argument is meaningless when nothing can be proved. Not that I don't enjoy this. And not that someone else couldn't join and add arguments for and against you or me, renovating the discussion.
  8. "If there was no further plan for Fain he could have just shown up as Fain and been killed" No, because we are told since nearly the beginning that he is undergoing "some kind of" transformation, and we see part of it early in the books. If he had shown as regular Fain it would have been inconsistant with where his storyline was headed. And I still think it is meaningless to argue because no matter what argument you wield, someone else will go another way about it and there is simply no way of confirming anything. I see why you think RJ had more plans for him. Fain is actually a very intersting main protagonist or antagonist depending on the kind of book you would write about him. There is so much depth to him. But this is tWoT, not "Fain 'n' fellas". We know he wants to kill Rand. He tries to chase him, he tries to lure him, and in the end, when nothing works, he said himself that he is going where he knows he will be. And when he is shown to us walking through the Blight towards SG he has killed a freaking Worm like nothing (let me tell you one of those almost kills Demandred) so we already know something is going on with him. Not much sense for him to appear on any battlefield or meeting or whatever. He just wants to go to SG and kill Rand. He does so by walking (pretty slow eh), and we have to take into consideration the time warping. So, where and when do you want him to be? It just wouldn't make any sense. Maybe in RJ's mind he had a more epic last scene? Well, maybe, but I don't think he would do anything remotely relevant at that point because it just wouldn't make sense.
  9. Yes. Ishamael dies at the Stone of Tear. Then Moridin is 'born' and dies at Shayol Ghul.
  10. I don't think this discussion will take us anywhere. I'm more on Sabio's side (though I give Fain more importance than just a troublemaker) but both your and his opinion are equally valid and so will they remain forever because we have no way of knowing the right answer, which would have to be given by RJ (if he were willing to). I sometimes, when reading the books, wonder how things would have been in the last three were him still alive, but in the end it's just trivial pondering. We cannot expect BS to be on Jordan's mind. We are lucky enough that such a talented writer was willing to provide closure for the series (not that he didn't gain something in return, but that isn't bad either).
  11. I think Fain, as Demandred although not nearly as important, is somewhat a reminder that a lot more things of importance happen in the world than what we see through the POV characters. Fain could have a book of his own, narrating his own journey, and I actually think it would be interesting, but in tWoT he is not a main character and as such he only is depicted when he is relevant to the actual WoT story. I also think a trilogy about Demandred would be terrific. We know he is a deeper character than what is shown in the books, and we know he has had an adventure of his own, but tWoT is not his adventure. As well as some books about Tuon or maybe Galgan, showing the Seanchan empire. But again, that is not the story at hand. So yeah, Fain is deeper than what secondary characters tend to be and we know that he has gone through things we didn't see happening. I can only find that fascinating.
  12. Fain didn't want to take part in the battle, he just wanted to kill Rand and maybe the DO, so he naturally goes where he knows he can do that when he knows he can do that. He wouldn't have any reason whatsoever to appear anywhere else. Certainly not at any battlefield. I would also have liked a little more of him in the last book but I guess there just wasn't room for it and though sudden he does what he has to as a character in the story. I don't think Brandon was wrong. Mat and him are in the mountain at the same time because both go there at the crucial moment. It may seem convenient to you but Mat had his good reasons to go when he did and not after or before, same as Fain had his reasons to go when he did. So well, coincidence happens in real life, you shouldn't blame it on "convenient story telling" just because.
  13. Throwing knives a small distance is quiet easy actually (I've tried it a few times in my youth and it's almost like playing darts), more so if they are made precisely for that. Still I see why it threw you off. You're right it's not Moridin-ish. Perhaps that was intended, as a surprise sneak attack "didn't-expect-that-from-me-did-ya". Or perhaps we are taking a simple scene into too deep consideration xD
  14. Ilyena Sunhair's blond hair isn't a fan-art thing.
  15. I think you crossed the line there...
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