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  1. Thanks all for participating in this poll. The subject of Rand's insanity and the mixed opinions on the subject throughout the years has been an interesting journey for me. When I first started reading the books, back in 1994, I was 16 and I simply could not comprehend a protagonist suffering like Rand suffered. His mental state to me was always reasonable considering the stresses he was under and the voice of LTT seemed plausible to me under the rules of WOT concerning reincarnation. That said, at that time Luke Skywalker was my hero. :) So, it was difficult for me to accept that my friend Rand was destroying people and he was unaware that it was in large part due to his insanity. Now that I have come some ways, it has been easier for me to see and accept Rand as he is. I was not a fan of messiness and Rand's mind was a mess. Now that I work with folks that have some serious mental disorders themselves, I have also grown to have compassion for such a state. What is truly unique and remarkable to me with this story, at this point in my life, is how someone with such obvious mental instability is given such extreme power and still be able to steer that huge ship toward a fairly sane star. Thanks again everyone!
  2. I am interested in the community's official stance on this topic.
  3. Any thoughts on this? I remember Rand using his fire sword in TDR while walking backwards out of the doorway in Tear. If he was able to use the OP there, why did Moiraine and Lanfear not use it?
  4. 2 things I think Lanfear got from the Snakes and Foxes: 1. The ability to access Rand's dreams. I think that's an obvious one seeing as how it doesn't seem possible for her to have that access otherwise. 2. Rand now desires her. I'm not sure how the Snakes and Foxes could do that but the clue to me was the description of his desire: it was like a "viper". I may be looking to much into a descriptive term but I don't think that is an accidental word. I think it points to the Finns and means big trouble for Rand.
  5. The fact that they have veils like the Aiel and short spears like the Aiel is that we are meant to think they are like the Aiel...only horribly different. If the Aiel are the People of the Dragon, these Aiel are the People of __________. Demandred? He is insanely jealous of Lews Therin and so it's not a stretch to say that he would want his own army, mocking the Dragon's. But I don't think so. I think they are meant to be People of the DO and have existed for that reason for who knows how long. During the War of Power, there were entire civilizations dedicated to the Shadow, not just dreadlords and Forsaken, but whole civilizations. It stands to reason that many of those people survived just like everyone else, remaining dedicated to the Shadow.
  6. Why didn't Moiraine and Lanfear use the OP in Finnland to "blast their way out there"?
  7. Tel'aran'rhiod reveals the philosophy of RJ. John Locke hypothesized that existence is an idea in the mind of man. Tel'aran'rhiod reveals this perfectly. Whatever a person wills, it becomes true. The stronger the will (the idea in the mind of a person), the more real the idea becomes. Stronger even than the One Power. Persons closest to the Wheel remain in TAR, like the wolf, telling us that existence is a matter of the will, or an idea. What is interesting is that in TAR the will of man is stronger than in the waking world. It seems to me that the will of the Creator is the "idea" that governs the waking world whereas TAR is sort of like the collective consciousness of the world. The relationship of the two is designed to tell us that there does exist a will that governs the WOT reality: it is an idea in the mind of the Creator, ala Jonathan Edwards. I think what makes TAR so dangerous is that it is (possibly) ruled by the will of limited, finite man whereas reality is ruled by the will of the infinite, infinite Creator. When the wolf dies there, they die forever. Is this true, too, of a person? The ter'angreal that are used for testing (and possibly the columns) tap into the power of the will, creating worlds through ideas.
  8. The sharpened teeth should be a big clue for us. They are cannibals, obviously. We haven't heard of any culture that practices cannibalism so my guess is that they exist in the Blight, as a civilization undiscovered. It makes sense for them to be cannibals as this would create a culture where only the strongest survive, making them perfect weapons for a future war.
  9. I think the red-veiled people are the "hint" about the BLANK. The Blight is HUGE and covers so much ground there are bound to be things up there we're not aware of. What if the Blight's spoilage was all a way for the DO to protect his area up there and after a hundred miles or so of the spoilage it's a cold, but hospitable, landscape? So, to me, a city in the Blight makes sense. Kind of like the Harad in The War of the Ring who were seduced by power, there is just a whole culture of people up there who can't wait to descend upon the South.
  10. I know everyone has been saying the Big Unnoticed Thing deals with the revelation that Mat's ashanderei would lead him out of the Tower. I get that and it is likely true this was it. However, before Moiraine's rescue I kept thinking the Big Unnoticed Thing was what Aviendha was experiencing in the Waste. What was going to happen to the Aiel after the Last Battle? I simply had not thought of it so to me that was "unnoticed" and "big". What will become of them? The columns told a tale that indicates they will die off because they stick to their Way which will no longer have meaning after the LB. Aviendha struggles with this realization as well. What is the point of carrying on a tradition that no longer had any meaning? It was tradition for the sake of tradition. This to me was the Big Unnoticed Thing. The Aiel are going to be vastly different after the LB. They will no longer be the People of the Dragon, in preparation for the LB. They may still be the People of the Dragon but in a more honorarium perspective, memorializing Rand. However, their lifestyle will be different. If not, according to the columns, they die. If they do change, they are no longer Aiel as we know them. What would they change to? Who knows but they can't go back to the Waste and be any different, so that won't work. They'll have to find a way to incorporate themselves into the lives of the main land. This reminds me of the plight of the American Indian, which I know was an interest of RJ's.
  11. Remember the Dark Prophecy about the Wolf dying by the Towers of Midnight? Demandred could be in charge of Seanchan like many people believer and somehow capture Perrin and bring he and his army into his stronghold where they will fight. BTW, why was the book named Towers of Midnight except for the significance of Perrin dying there at the end, as predicted by the Dark Prophecies?
  12. What if Noal goes into the ToG and has been there before? If he the going to be the hero who suddenly remembers his past and understands how to save Moiraine? I'd love that. Or, maybe there has to be some sort of one life traded for another deal. Noal, guilty from leaving his sick wife, decides to trade his life for Moiraine's, as he sees the love and dedication Thom has for her and wants to do for Thom what he did not do for his wife. This one to me makes the most sense.
  13. Nynaeve in the Borderlands: "will he ride alone?" Mat blowing the Horn of Valere Perrin finding out about his family - it was sad but wonderfully real Rand's wonders in Rhuidian - especially raising the water Nynaeve vs. Moghedian when she defeats her the first time Nynaeve vs. Rahvin Egwene vs. Seanchen in Fount of Power Rand felling the grolm with his bow when he was with Selene, Loial and Hurin in the Portal World - that reminds me, how did Lanfear control those grolm? Rand getting Lan to subtly prod Mat into describing the battle scene in the tent in FOH Tuon: "He is a lion" about Mat Padan Fain nailing the Myrddral to the door Anytime someone describes Galad walking Brigitte describing Mat and Talames together in the Rahad: "Surprisingly, Mat is the more dangerous of the two" Veins of Gold
  14. I also figured that Moiraine would learn something about defeating the DO from the Snakes and Foxes.
  15. My take on the blade of light and 3 becoming one is this: Rand must give up control to two channelling women to use Callandor in order to defeat the Dark One. In so doing he will die and die for love, not duty. Here's why: 1) Callandor's importance - p. 730-731 of TGS: "Taking the Sword That Cannot Be Touched was one of the first major prophecies that he had fulfilled. But was his taking of Callandor a meaningless sign, or was it a step? Everyone knew the prophecy, but few asked a question that should have been inevitable. Why? Why did Rand have to take up the sword? Was it to be used in the Last Battle?" Why did RJ and BS mention this as a part of Rand's struggle? It's during this portion of TGS where we see why Rand is struggling so much. 2) Rand's struggle tied to Callandor - Just as Gawyn struggled with his reasons for soldiering (as Bryne did before him and Tam as well), so Rand is struggling with the question of why? But why include Callandor as a part of this turmoil unless it is important not just for the Last Battle, but in answering the why question as well. During this struggle Rand has tried to become hard and he failed at this (p.756). This was leading him to becoming a monster. It was this hardness the DO used to subtly steer Rand toward the conclusion that all was meaningless, "NONE OF THIS MATTERS" (p.757). This was the same conclusion Elan/Ishy/Moridin came to (p. 237-238) and Rand's same conclusion about Callandor (see above). Everything is meaningless to Rand if life is all about duty and about being strong and all about being controlled. 3) This was the DO's plan - This was also the subtlety Verin was referring to I believe (p.600). The DO wanted Rand to see all of life as meaningless and destroy the world as a result...and he nearly did (p.758). Rand represents all of life in this series and if all of life is pre-determined and duty-bound, than it's not worth living. This is the DO's way and it truly is not worth living as Rand has found out. What is worth living for? Love (p.759). 4) The way of love is unselfish. Love puts the needs of others above those of oneself. It is unselfish which is the opposite of the Forsaken (p.600). Love means laying one's life down for someone else, not out of duty, but out of love. In order to defeat the Dark One, many believe Rand will have to seal the bore again fully. Moridin believes that the DO cannot be slain, as we see from Moridin's reaction to Rand's suggestion (p.238). RJ, however, has used Christianity as one of his influences and in the book of Revelation, chapter 20 verse 7, we see that Satan is bound in prison until a time in the future when the Spirit will release him to be slain (2 Thessalonians 2:6). I think, then, that it will be possible for Rand to slay the DO, though it's a theory which is probably not as strong as the one supposing the DO being bound again. Christianity also says that Jesus laid down His life for love, willingly accepting death as the two became one (God and the church) on the cross (see Ephesians 5:31-32). I think, therefore, that Rand will become one with two female channelers and slay the DO. He will have to give up control, duty and hardness to do so, which is exactly what Callandor requires to be used and what love is. The two are connected. The process, I believe, will destroy the One Power. I believe the OP and the TP will cancel each other out, so to speak. The process will kill Rand. Helping Rand in this will be Alivia and Moiraine, I believe. Alivia for the prophecies spoken about her helping Rand to die and Moiraine because of her prophecies and because she is the one Rand would trust most with Callandor.
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