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Treesong

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  1. Thanks for your well thought-out take on the Epilogue. I bolded some parts of your post that I wanted to discuss. As I understand it, RJ had already figured out how Rand would survive and how he would ride away as a normal man, unburdened , being able to live a normal life. I am all for that. I am doubtful however if this last chapter was already completely fleshed out by RJ, ready to just tack on to whatever came before that. As it is now, it feels more like a draft that has not been written out completely. It would have been easy to have some resolve, reunions, some winding down and licking of wounds, some glimpses of the future and of rebuilding, and after all that still have Rand take off in the sunset to get some well-earned peace. It just felt completely weird that Rand leaves so many dear friends and his own father (who played a big role in aMoL) grieving over his pyre, just so that he can sneak off and not be bugged by paparazzi or some? It makes no sense at all why he could not have reunited with his father and friends for a while and then take off (if he must). With a mirror spell maybe or using his newly found Patternweaving Powers to go undetected. The epilogue feels very unfinished and I just do not think RJ would have left it at this odd campscene (which at one point reminded me of the ET-scene, where Elliot is suddenly getting better while ET's life is slipping).
  2. The whole campscene where Rand sneaks off, chuckling and pipesmoking, to go sightseeing, thinking about how to juggle his 3 girlfriends while leaving his friends and father to moarn at a pyre that is actually consuming Moridin just felt totally inappropriate and very unlike Rand. These people have lived and suffered together for 12k pages, and now he sneaks off? There should be some resolve, maybe a few scenes in the Two Rivers, of key-characters licking their wounds together, a few glimpses of things being rebuild. It is not that I want every loose end explained, just something more emotional and deserving then Rand sneaking of for his "well deserved peace" through some bodysnatch trick. I feel that RJ would not have really used this ending like this if he had lived to finish the series(I heard this chapter is his) just that this was how he imagined how he could let Rand live in the end. I guess RJ also wanted to give Rand back his own life to live normally again, but what about the others? The thousands that were killed, maimed, burned out and emotionally wrecked? Also, not the most unique iteration of "How to trick a Prophecy of a Hero's Death" imo. "The hero lives on, we only made his body die, neener, neener!" I kept thinking there was more to the Moridin bodysnatch, but I guess in the end it was just to give Rand a fresh body with 2 hands. Oh, and off course a different face so he could sneak off while his friends think he is dead. Anyway, I hope Tam kicks the *** out of Rand when he finds out that he is still alive.
  3. @Tesseract: Agreed. I think BS did a great job, I thoroughly enjoyed the last 3 books, exept the Epilogue in aMoL which felt off (Rand traipsing off in the night, leaving his best friends and father to mourn at his pyre after a 12k page ordeal). But then I found out that the last chapter had already been written by Jordan, so I understood it a little better. Not because it was badly written but because I have a feeling that chapter might have seen some revision/expanding by Rj himself, if he had still been alive. I loved RJ's writing too, moreso then BS's, he just lost his pace imo. I also want to say that WoT for me is hands down THE most interesting Fantasy Setting ever created (moreso even then Tolkiens...) and I have read a lot of series ( I like the early Feist trilogies too). Also the first Chapter of the series (after the prologue) in Emonds Field for me is the pinnacle of what Fantasy (or an RPG) entails for me: the "from rags to riches" theme, but even better. 3 boys in rural Emond's Fields getting exited over the coming local festivities, Bel Tine. Such a homely scene, it immediately grabbed me, endeared the whole setting to me instantly, including the characters. And then those subtle signs of things to come...... awesome. Even better then Hobbits celebrating in the Shire! :D I need my fantasy rooted in such mundane beginnings, this is probably why I can't get into Eriksons Malazan series. You get thrown right into an epic war there. :(
  4. Just finished reading it: 800+ pages of awesomeness and being pumped up all the way to the end, and then, out of nowhere, the sound of "fbrlbfblrbtlrbbflrbbrltbfbfblrft" of a balloon that was the very short, wanting and somewhat weird Epilogue. That Epilogue actually kept me from sleeping 2 hours after I finished, which was a pity, since I LOVED the book. I understand that Rand has deserved some peace, but this sneaking off into the sunset to go play the tourist, chuckling and smoking, leaving his friends and father to mourn at his pyre just felt very off, and unlike Rand. Especially since it took 12k pages to make Rand learn to "care" again for himself and others. Also, one of the pillars of the series imo are the intricate and emotional relationships of so many key-characters with eachother over a long period, and this traipsing off of Rand, while musing about how to juggle his 3 girlfriends, just felt too lighthearted and out of sync with the rest. Also, Rand is not the only tragic figure that could need some peace here, and I would expect them to share these moments. As others already have mentioned, I would have expected to see a longer epilogue where there is some winding down, possibly a few scenes in the Two Rivers, characters seeing some fruit of their labor, licking their (emotional) wounds together, a few glimpses on the world being rebuild, people coming to their own again. With such an epilogue, I could have been perfectly ok with Rand actuallly being dead too( ok, not perfectly but still). Someone told me that this was actually the end that RJ had in mind, and that explains it a bit. It leaves me wondering though wether RJ would have stuck to this ending if he could have seen the series to its end himself, seeing how it turned out. I could see this ending for a much shorter and lighter WoT, but not for the 14 books that make up WoT now. Even so, best series in the world, would (will) read again. :)
  5. I loved the book, pretty much the best in the series for me(together with the first). However, after getting pumped up immensely for 800+ pages (or rather 12k+ pages) I found the epilogue very short, wanting and to be honest, a bit weird. It not only left me wanting, but also befuddled about how Rand was handled. I understand the wish of many here (after reading some threads) to give Rand some well deserved peace, but him sneaking out of the camp, chuckling and pipesmoking, to go play the tourist while his friends and father mourn him at the pyre felt really off to me. Especially after such a long buildup of making Rand "care" again about himself and the ones around him. One of the strong points of this series imo is the focus on the interaction and emotional relationships of key-characters with eachother, over a long period of time. The three boys together, Egwene and Rand, Nynaeve and Lan, Moiraine and Rand, Mat and Tuon and many, many more. Some of these get really fleshed out, some not so much. In this light, I always found his "love-interest" in his three girlfriends to be of minor importance, exept maybe his love for Min which plays an important role in Rands "dark and aloof" days. The focus therefore on this love-interest in the very short epilogue felt off. Instead of Rand and other keycharacters being allowed to rejoice with eachother in these new times, re-establish bonds and lick their (emotional) wounds together, he traipses off, leaving his father and two best friends in shambles, his babes behind, and his mind on how to juggle 3 girlfriends at the same time? I understand Rand deserving a break, but so does every other single keycharacter imo. He is not the only tragic figure in this tale. Egwene, annoying as she could be, is the more tragic one to me, to be honest. And I also would think Rand deserves this break with his loved ones. The fact the he wears Moridins face is complicating but can be overcome. I would have expected to see an epilogue where there is some winding down, maybe a few scenes in the Two Rivers, characters seeing some fruit of their labor, licking their (emotional) wounds together, a few glimpses on the world being rebuild, people coming to their own again. With such an epilogue, I could have been perfectly ok with Rand actuallly being dead ( ok, not perfectly but still). Rather that, then this sneaking off in the night. Also, it is obvious that Rand is now capable of tapping into the Real Power........ ;)
  6. Loial with his commitment issues and quivering ears whenever that girl-ogier was near. What a goober.
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