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  1. I'm just going to focus on one thing: the use of Callandor.

     

    I am of the opinion (and have been since book 7 or so) that through various circumstances Rand, Alivia ("she will help you die" prophecy), and Moridin (explained shortly) will be the circle wielding Callandor. This fits in very nicely with "the three shall be one" because each of the powers is used. To those who say that the true power shouldn't be used, please read the following paragraph.

     

    Rand, at the moment, believes that at least one of the things that went wrong with Lews Therin's attempt to reseal the bore was not using saidar. He thinks that maybe this is what allowed the DO to retaliate and taint saidin. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but I believe that if the TP (through Moridin) is used as a buffer between the DO and saidin/saidar. Essentially it would look like this:

     

    (Dark One)(TP)(Saidin/Saidar weaves)

     

    This way, the DO cannot retaliate directly at Saidin and Saidar. I refuse to speculate about how the "rubble" will be cleared away before Rand can rebuild, though. I want to be surprised. =)

     

    For the body swap theorists, I will describe how I imagine this above theory working with the body swap theory. Once the DO is sealed (or maybe as he is being sealed), Moridin will lose access to the TP. He will then open himself to saidin and activate the balefire link with Rand. As they will both be channeling saidin, WHAM body swap. Alivia perhaps feels it happen because she is in the circle, or maybe Min pops up and uses her visions to figure out that they switched. Alivia runs "Rand" through with Callandor or maybe helps Min or Rand (in Moridin's body) run "Rand" through... something like that. Perhaps it is even at this point that we get Rand's blood on the rocks of shayol ghul. Then those cool paper puppet dreams come into play because it will be given out that Rand is dead and then Aviendha/Elayne/Min can all go live in a hovel somewhere. Not really, just Rand will live there, but they will visit regularly. Perhaps nightly. Hehe... o.o

     

    Don't bash me too hard. ;)

  2. Isn't there a theory that the TP is to be used through Callandor instead of the OP?

     

    Yes, this is a theory that doesn't really fly with most people, but I like it. =)

    Personally, I've always thought that Rand would link with Alivia and Moridin (by the way, this is all at Shayol Ghul) since the "three shall be one" prophecy, because Alivia is supposed to help Rand die and Moridin can channel the TP. However, now that we know Nynaeve is going with Rand, I'm not near as sure... Someone posted a theory about how Moridin and Cyndane and Moghedian would be pulled into the circle, which could work for me if Alivia and Nynaeve are with Rand already, although I always liked the 3 people vs. the Dark One type ending. Meh :/

     

    Anyways, I think that Alivia has got to at least be there, and then the "into the heart he thrusts the sword, and the one who draws it out shall follow after" will be fulfilled (I personally don't think that thrusting callandor into the stone fulfilled this, but that's my opinion, and I haven't bothered to look up any interviews to see if he has dubunked this...) by Alivia perhaps helping Rand kill himself (maybe after a little body swap action later resulting in some dark haired babies for Avi?, but hey, who knows?) and then Logain will pull it out and yeah... Obviously this isn't going to be exactly what happens as I kinda have a lot of "it could go this way, or that way" type stuff in this post.

     

    Also with the killing himself, we get that "and all he is is is up for the taking" (REALLY paraphrased that one, don't have the book on me and I can't remember the exact wording...) bit from ToM where he perhaps lets the DO come inside him somehow or some other crazy thang and then stabs himself and body switches.

     

    Thanks for reading my ramble, and sorry about paraphrasing all the prophecies, I hope I got the wording right on most of them (besides the last one xD).

     

    edited for clarity... didn't help much o.O

  3. (Quick note: If I contradict you in some way, please don't take it as a personal offense, I'm just trying to add some more logic to the argument)

     

    The Land of Madmen Theory:

    Yes, the LoMM is talked about in the BWB, but to introduce the LoMM in the last book? Keep in mind that there are tons of WoT readers that haven't read the BWB and maybe haven't even heard of it. The only reason I knew of it and read it was because a friend of mind gave it to me. It's not really a major part of the series. It's nice for information on circles and various things, but I don't think RJ would put in a whole new race that hasn't been mentioned in the books at all (as far as I know). While, it could work, Aiel or Shara theories are going to be stronger as we actually have reference points.

     

    The Aiel Theory (my favorite theory, so I'm *slightly* biased):

    When the man first saw them, he immediately thought they were Aiel. Thus, they look like Aiel (in at least some regard). If you are going to argue that they don't look enough like Aiel to be Aiel, the guy thought they were Aiel, they wore the cadin'sor, and they carried short spears. Aiel much? I think so.

    Now, this CRAD (Creepy Red Aiel Dude) used his knife to kill. He may have been able to channel, he may not have. We don't know. Lots of male Aiel channelers could have been turned, and if there is a sept of DF Aiel in the blight, they could have been bread to try to get more channelers. Obviously, this means not all of the CRADs could channel.

    (For some quick evidence of an Aiel sept in the blight, like an earlier poster said, look at the village that Perrin found in the middle of the blight thing. It could have been one of those switcheroo's that we've seen occur in the WT, just on a larger scale and over a greater distance. Pehaps since the DO is near the blight, the crazy effects occur more often and with more potency near the blight. The village showed signs of life and showed that maybe some people could live in the Blight in certain areas, ie Aiel DFs. Maybe the DO purposely lessened the potency of the blight in certain areas to make room for them to live. o.O)

    For the physical changes of the CRADs (eye color and skin color? Not sure on the skin, because I don't have the book on me, lent it to a friend), personally I don't see why the DF and male channeler Aiel couldn't have been bred with Sharans or even the possible corrupted Aiel from the Portal Stone worlds. This would account for the traits that we see. For time constraints on the breeding, obviously channelers would have been going to the blight for thousands of years. Perhaps in those periods where Ishamael was free for a few years, he would rally some DF Aes Sedai or Kin or something and then have them turn a few Aiel channelers, get a few Sharans, and breed away for the next thousand years. Perhaps difficult, and perhaps requiring some foresight, but still, entirely possible.

     

    Finally, The Sharan Theory:

    Possible, but since they were described as Aiel, I would think it more likely that the Sharans may have been bred with Aiel.

     

    Portal Stone World:

    Likely, me likey much. Crazy, awesome, possible, and feels kinda like something RJ would do just to make us feel like we should have thought of this when Demandred's rule was first mentioned and just to make us feel stupid. =) Heck, maybe the whole Nae'blis with Demandred thing was so that the DO would make him Nae'blis in a portal stone world. xD

     

     

    Again, please don't flame me unless you have direct evidence against what I have said. I know that I come across very harsh and affrontive (made up word?) on this post (and a lot of my other ones) but usually it's just because I don't take the time to go back and make it sound nicer because I'm laaaazzzyyy.

     

    Edit: de-lazified my self and edited some things to make my post clearer, and added the portal stone world theory. =)

  4. I had long thought the something strange about her kids would simply be that they would be able to channel, but the always on channeling does seem interesting too. It could be attributed to the Dragon's blood, but I think they're might be something more. Aviendha was able to create that one gateway when running from Rand, and has had trouble making ones as big even while using all of her strength. I think there is something off with Avienda and Rant both that would create this always on channeling. Sorry if this sounds a little disjointed, but I haven't really thought it out much, it just occurred to me. That gateway thing has always struck me as funny. :P

     

    Anyways, I also thought it was interesting that one of Rand and Aviendha's kids had black hair, the reason being that he took to his wetlander side. Rand is half Aiel, and his mother had blond hair, and Avi has red hair and is all Aiel. Where is this dark hair gene coming from? Perhaps some support for body swap?

     

    All just speculation, but I think there are lots of secrets we could dig out of this viewing. And finally, is Aviendha like 20 days behind everyone else or is it just me? She mentions the clouds breaking over her, which would have occurred when Rand was at Dragonmount since Min and Elayne experience similar things for themselves and Avi is bonded to him too...

  5. The problem with Elayne is that at every "ingenious" thing she does in this book, I simply wanted to shout at her and tell her that a ten year old could have thought up something as good. She's supposed to have trained in this stuff since she was like 2 months old and she still has Dyelin and Master Norry tell her everything. :P Sorry, I was venting. But really. Me no like Elayne arc.

     

    And to the person up ahead that talked of Elayne's problems, while her problems are extensive, I think there are better ways that a fully trained queen could handle them.

  6. Thats an interesting theory... but wouldn't killing the dark one distribute the Wheel of Time completely to the point that it stopped.. I dont think it is actually possible to kill the Dark One; contain him to the point where his influence doesnt even seep into the world, yes. But actually killing him... How would the 3rd age come again then? I could be completely off, please enlighten me if so.

     

    However, I do like this theory of one evil imprisoning another..

     

    Some people speculate that the reason RJ wrote about this age specifically is that Rand, in defeating the dark one (which we guess will happen), may do something that causes time to be linear rather than cyclical. This way the people of WoT world wouldn't have to continually rebuild after the breaking that happens every seven ages. Does that make sense at all? I'm not a huge fan of this theory, as I can't think of how it would work and the cyclicity (word?) of time seems to just be part of the world, not something that can be changed. And I'm more of a "wait and find out" kinda guy rather than a "speculate like crazy" kinda guy. :/

  7. The prophecy at the end of TGS also possibly implies its Rand, Moridin and Lews Therin.

     

    At the end of time,

    when the many become one.

    The last storm shall gather its angry winds

    to destroy a land already dying.

    And at its center,

    the blind man shall stand

    upon his own grave.

    There he shall see again,

    and weep for what has been wrought

     

    The many become one is very similiar to the three shall be one, far too similar since both examples happen in the same book. Then you have the ray of light from the sunlight that could be seen as a blade of light.

     

    I dont know whether I believe it, but I can see why some people think that it may be the case.

     

    I think the many becoming one is referring to when rand remembers all his past lives.

     

    That was the answer. It all swept over him, lives lived, mistakes made, love changing everything. He saw the entire world in his mind's eye, lit by the glow in his hand. He remembered lives, hundreds of them, thousands of them, stretching to infinity. He remembered love, and peace, and joy, and hope.

     

    In the prophecy, it is speaking of when Rand was on Dragonmount and if Rand and Moridin "become one" it will likely be at a later date.

  8. With the whole treatment of Mat thingy, I'm waiting for a scene with the three supergirls and Tuon and Mat. They will all flip out at the fact that he's married and then Tuon will give some totally strait-faced line about how ungrateful they all are and then will say that she respects Mat and doesn't respect them and then all the girls will flip out and Tuon will just walk off and they will all gape at her. Then Mat will give a little grin and totally ruin the moment and then everything will return to normal. =D

  9. If your at all worried about Brandon being able to write it, read Warbreaker. He uses the fade to black thing, as mentioned above, but it is actually pretty similar to the whole Rand and Aviendha. If you haven't read Warbreaker, it is absolutely phenomenal. Ending is more mind blowing that Mistborn (imo).

  10. To Tuon haters, this is kind of a long winded explanation for something fairly simple, but I think it needs saying.

     

    Fact: For a relationship to work, both sides need to put time and effort into the relationship.

    I'm sorry, but if you dream of meeting the perfect woman/man and then you will get married and he/she will be perfect and do everything for you and be exactly what you dreamed of, your dreams will never come true. Do you know why 50% of marriages result in divorces nowadays? Cause they think its love at first sight and end up realizing that their spouse isn't perfect and therefore the only solution is a divorce (in their minds).

    As a side note, this is what pisses me off so much about Elaine. She hasn't spent the time with Rand to build a solid relationship. It makes me want to hit her with a stick (and I kinda want to hit Min, too, cause she only thinks about... well... that). So then comes Avhienda whom spent a few months with Rand, and although this is still a short time, they were practically with each other 24/7, making the relationship at least somewhat viable.

     

    But, back on topic: Tuon. Mat and Tuon did spend some time together, and again this was a 24/7 type thing, but I will admit the marriage was a little rushed. However, I think that is exactly why Mat was so changed by being married; he is finally realizing that he has to work in the relationship and actually try, while before it was a fun night and and then a, "well, guess I'll never see you again." The fact that he realizes he is going to have to work for Tuon is what I think  will make the marriage turn out OK.

    Tuon is of course very single-minded. But that is exactly how she was raised, so you can't blame her too much. She had probably been expecting Randland to still be in its perfect Hawkwing utopia. Anyway, in my mind, this single-mindedness is what gives Tuon such great potential. Tuon's world is being turned upside down, her family has been killed, and there's this one guy that seems to be able to help her through everything. In the end, I think Mat can change Tuon's single-mindedness and in that way Tuon and Mat will become that perfect match that everyone has been hoping for. I think that right now they fit each other great. Tuon has that way of... well... you know whenever she does something and you can just picture the sly grin on her face? And Mat thinks something like that woman could change the face of the world if she wanted to. Those moments show what a great match they could become.

     

    Quick (hopefully) note to Faile haters: Perrin, I think, for most people, is a hard character to connect with in his entirety. He's thoughtful, very careful, and driven largely by goals. Many people can be thoughtful, but rarely do people also possess one or both of the other traits. I'm personally a careful person, but Perrin outdoes my carefulness by a long shot. So in the end, I don't think many people can truly understand what connects Perrin and Faile to eachother beyond love. In my mind, they fit, and I think that maybe RJ was trying to show us that when things don't work out how they should in our minds, they can still work out, and we have to accept that.

     

    Well, thanks for reading. Have a nice day. By the way, I know I'm gonna take some heat for this post, so know that I've got my flame shield on and I've got spare batteries in my pocket.

  11. I haven't read the books in a while, but do they give any indication of how heavy cuendillar is? Even if its indestructible, it may be very heavy and thus not practical for armor.

     

    I do like the architecture idea, though... Is whitebridge cuendillar? Cause that would explain its extreme thin-ness and white color...

  12. I think beer rot has it right, but I have a similar question. In the prologue to TEotW, Lews Therin traveled, but thats all it says. It never says he made a gateway and went through it, he simply traveled. Then at the end, when Rand is holding the pure saidin from the eye of the world, it talks about him suddenly being in different places and there is nothing about him making gateways (iirc). So how does that all happen?

  13. Relationships without love seems rare in this series.

     

    *cough* Elayne and Rand *cough* Min and Rand *cough*

     

    But honestly that is a pretty good point. Despite Birgitte's *occasional* (not really, but meh) vulgarities, I don't think of her as one to go cheating on Gaidal. Seeming as she cries about him at night all the time.

  14. The problem is that Rand/Mat/Perrin using their ta'veren power to bend the pattern and fight the dark one (not sure what the exact theory is there) doesn't involve the blade of light. Even if Rand is wielding callandor at that time, just saidin cannot defeat the DO (as proven by LTT). While Rand could be in a circle and have Mat and Perrin with him to do their ta'veren thing, I'm still going to put my bet on the 3 powers. Also, Rand/Mat/Perrin ta'verenatizing the DO doesn't really imply three becoming one... despite that fact that their "ta'veren powers" (couldn't think of a better way to say it) are combining  into one. I believe that the three becoming one part of the prophecy implies three seperate things becoming one, and ta'veren nature is not really distinguishable between people as far as we know from the books, besides the fact that some people are stronger ta'veren than others.

     

    Finally, if the 3 powers becoming one seems like a "too perfect" theory, does that disregard it as being a possible correct one? If Rand, Mat, and Perrin use their ta'veren natures to defeat the DO and the 3 powers aren't involved at all, heck I'll post an apology for the fact that my theory was wrong and that I should have guessed better.  :P But honestly, I didn't mean to start a big argument over which theory is correct, seeming as we won't know until one and a half years from now at the earliest who is right. I just stated my opinion, said that I thought Rand, Mat, and Perrin becoming one would be awkward (half sarcastically since I know that they wouldn't fuse together or anything) and went on with my day. Sorry for starting a huge flame war over whether or not you/I/him/her/thatrandompersonthatsometimespissesyouoffbecausetheydon'tputspacesbetweenwords was right or wrong.

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