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Axon

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  1. Logain should have defeated Taim or Dem. Lan killing Demandred was preposterous. It's practically Lan killing Rand.
  2. IIRC Rand became a Tavern just before Moriane landed in 2 rivers so it makes sense that he is no more tavern now that the need for the tavern is finished. When he became ta'veren is unclear, but you may be right. However, what you said here is exactly what I'm saying - the pattern is done with his heroics - save that LTT is gone now. It's certainly left ambiguous and it's certainly in contradiction to what we were told earlier about Rand and LTT being the same "soul" but not the same "life" (a cool concept, but one which doesn't really hold up under any kind of scrutiny. At least I've always felt that way). Unfortunately, we will never know for sure.
  3. I used to think that as well (granted we are told that), but the ending doesn't add up if that's the case. RJ may have just chucked the concept for the happy ending or w/e
  4. It could be that since LTT is the only soul that is specifically respun by the pattern for a rebirth, his soul had left Rand after he awakens. Rand's channeling and strength in the power could actually be tied to LTT's soul, rather than Rand's. We would know if one of the Heroes of the Horn saw him I suppose, since they all called him Lews Therin and indicated that they recognized his soul. Of course, the question of the pipe remains in this scenario. As to Rand feeling relief at his lack of ability to channel, I believe that, for Rand, channeling is tied to his duties as the Dragon Reborn, which he was relieved to have shed. He never liked the mantle - all he ever wanted was to tend his farm in Edmond's Field. I mean, think about it - sure, you're powerful, but you're surrounded by enemies and schemers, and the spectre of your death in the very near future hangs over you at all times. Oh, and if you lose your upcoming fight with what appears to be a god of some kind? The world ends. No pressure brah, you got this. All of that is somewhat ironic because, without Rand, the hole in the bore is not "forged anew." Thus, in my mind, Rand is the greater of the two men.
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    Farewell

    thanks for all the fish. I don't post much, but I've been on these forums a while and always respected your knowledge.
  6. Brandon's def. more skilled at writing the soul searching, self-depreciating guy than he is at writing a reluctant swashbuckler type (Mat), cocky ass kicker (Logian), or dominant alpha male hero (Rand).
  7. Demandred didn't want to fight Rand power to power, he wanted to fight Rand sword to sword to prove he was the better man. Besides he had no way of knowing really knowing what Rands skills were like as a channler. Yes Rand killed off a good number of forsaken, but Dem was going to be rprepared and holding one of the most powerful devices ever made and he knew rand destroyed the statue. So Dem figured he had the deck stacked, he thought himself the better swordsman and if Rand tired a fight with the power he had a weapon that should easily destroy Rand.. While he def. tells Gawyan that he wants a fight with a sword, he subsequently tells Taim he wants to take LTT on with the one power. Homeboy was cray cray He wanted to prove that in warfare, the one thing he was acknowledged as better at than LTT, that he was completely the master. He wanted things to go like this:Step 1 - Defeat LTT armies with own armies. He may have outnumbered them, and trollocs are stronger than a man 1v1, but formations and different weapons, able to travel through gateways, individual initative, all that stuff that men have, while trollocs only have tight formation charge and tight formation stand still, made the fight even-ish enough to satisfy Barid. Step 2 - Defeat LTT with OP. Be it mano a mano, or circle with sa'angreal vs circle with sa'angreal. I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if LTT had shown with a circle of 25 and callendor Demandred would have broken all but 25 people out of his circle. Step 3 - Defeat LTT in hand to hand combat once all other threats are nuetralised. Step 4 - Smile for the first time in 3000 years, because damn you are awesome. Cray cray? Probably more than a little. Completely batty? Not quite there yet. There are some people like this in the world, they just dwell and internalise their problem more and more, making it into a bigger and more powerful emotion than it was in an infinite loop. And he has had a looooong time to build hatred for LTT. I understand all that, and sure, that was his plan in his mind. Still, there were just a lot of hints (and some over comments) about his possible insanity. At the least, he had a white whale type obsession with LTT, to the detriment of the shadow's forces. Having thought about it, his issue is better described as an obsession rather than insanity. Dem otherwise was pretty clearly not insane. My opinion is that he would have lost in a confrontation with Rand/LTT anyway....all Rand does is eat these guys for breakfast.
  8. Demandred didn't want to fight Rand power to power, he wanted to fight Rand sword to sword to prove he was the better man. Besides he had no way of knowing really knowing what Rands skills were like as a channler. Yes Rand killed off a good number of forsaken, but Dem was going to be rprepared and holding one of the most powerful devices ever made and he knew rand destroyed the statue. So Dem figured he had the deck stacked, he thought himself the better swordsman and if Rand tired a fight with the power he had a weapon that should easily destroy Rand.. While he def. tells Gawyan that he wants a fight with a sword, he subsequently tells Taim he wants to take LTT on with the one power. Homeboy was cray cray
  9. Yes, that occurs before Rand switches bodies and the dark one is sealed, etc. Clearly, he is still channeling at that particular moment. it's possible Rand's soul somehow changed after everything he went through, but I'm more into the Neo theory.
  10. I believe the same....though some of the places people are taking it seems to be a little over the top for me. It's left ambiguous for a reason, but we've had quite a few hints before (Rand threatening to bend the pattern, Rand acting as the inverse of the dark one's taint, Rand making the land flourish clearly as an exertion of his will before Fortuna). Interestingly, Rand refers to his own pipe as "wrong" - I wonder if that's a hint as to what he did.
  11. A lot of WOT's battles, tactics and results don't really add up. Rand has been dropping the forsaken like they were nothing since EotW. As Rand Therin Telamon, he literally fought and defeated the dark one with some assistance (and even then, through what appeared to be more of sheer force of will then strength in the OP.) It's not believable, at least not to me, that Demandred would have had any chance against him. Though this is an aside, a lot of the commentary from the Forsaken seems to indicate that if LTT had just been a little bit more of a decent dude, a lot of this would not have happened. Anyway, Brandon's numbers with the last battle and the skirmishes leading up to it are off, and we'll just have to accept them as is.
  12. RJ stated flat out that he never intended Taim to be Demy.RJ never held the oath rod.Shrug. Just me but I prefer not to call the man a liar. I don't think it's trampling on his grave to say that he probably changed it up. But hey, who knows. It was entertaining the way it went down.
  13. For the record has anyone been saying this? People need to be realistic about Jordan as well, he was an upper tier fantasy writer for his time. Unfortunately though these last few WoT books have fallen well behind the curve for what is "upper tier" fantasy these days. Also question, you said you're concerned with plot above all. Where you satisfied then with how that was handled these last few books? I would not say plot work was a strength in the slightest. It is all too often blunt and the execution was frequently flawed. When taking the three books as a whole the structural issues stand out quite clearly as well. I agree. While RJ was good, no one is saying he's the greatest prose-man of all time. But he's better than Brandon, at least in the context of this series. Brandon's dialogue drives me nuts; it reads how college kids from the year 2013 talk. I expected Elayne to break out an "lol" in there.
  14. Sigh. Something tells me I'm just going to be copy and pasting this post over and over. "While the series got away from Jordan clearly during the tPoD-CoT(although the quality of the writing never suffered) swing KoD reversed it and he had things pointed in the right direction. There was an appaling amount of filler in these last three books and even larger structural problems. The books sped up do to where we were in the story arc more than anyting else and the same would have happened under Jordan. We will have no idea how good Brandon on this point until we see him at a similar spot to CoT in his own Stormlight archives." Knife of Dreams put me to sleep (save for Mat). At least the Gathering Storm had some nice action. But yes, BS' three books had a lot of filler. That said, I'm not sure what RJ would have done differently other than write in a style I would prefer for the WOT series. Brandon's dialogue occasionally drove me batty. I'm also not remotely convinced that anything Brandon does in another series will show us what "would" have happened here.
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