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Lord D

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  1. BLKNIGHT, you've missed the number 8, and don't have the Gathering Storm in your list.
  2. My views of justice are not very pleasant to many others. So if it was up to me, I'd have tried to capture Demandred alive. Then after the LB he could be tried for war crimes, found guilty, and put to death by slow impalement. Many evil women but few evil men in the series get fates worse than death (see my thread discussing those fates), so a barbaric method of execution would even the scores.
  3. The DO tainted saidin, causing men who could channel to go mad and Break the World. I'd have to say that is "doing something".
  4. This has probably already been discussed to death on the "Rand's arc" thread and "quality discussion" thread.
  5. If I was Demandred and wanted to draw Rand out, I would have done my best to seize Elayne, and brutally rape her. Rand's warden bond would have drawn him like crazy.
  6. I'm sure that the Guide says that the release of the DO in the AoL did indeed have this impact, and the Guide was written when RJ was still alive.
  7. Suttree, I've found the Age review online: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/books/a-memory-of-light-20130301-2fbam.html
  8. 1. Link to the review? Was mentioned earlier but in the industry there are a number of well known reviewers who reacted negatively. Take this example from Pat's Fantasy Hotlist. http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/search?q=memory+of+light+review 2. If you think it was a strong finish could you please break down why? Really hoping to see analysis of not just individual nice moments but why this was a strong finish as a book from a literary perspective as the timeline mistakes, unpolished writing, blunt plot work and continuity errors have been discussed in detail. It would be nice to see positive opinions backed up by support for why they feel that way. Here are some links to positive reviews:http://io9.com/5975831/the-wheel-of-time-rolls-to-a-stop-io9s-review-of-a-memory-of-light http://fantasybookcritic.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/a-memory-of-light-by-robert-jordan.html http://nethspace.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/review-memory-of-light-by-robert-jordan.html http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7743175-a-memory-of-light (this has popular ratings that avg to 4.6 from a total of 8,524 ratings) http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/01/the-wheel-of-time-a-memory-of-light-spoiler-review I can't find the review from "The Age" online, but it was in the Age's review section last Saturday. You can get many more positive reviews than negatives from googling "memory of light review". So, although many people here seem to disagree, the general sentiment on this final book is very positive.That really wasn't where I was going. I was interested to read the one you were referring to specifically but more so it quite clearly offers no backing for an argument around quality to take pop reviews(especially for things like Tor and Goodreads) and try use them as support. Anyone can find reviews both positive or negative which is what I tried to show above. Using "general sentiment"/popularity as an argument for quality is a logical fallacy. What helps in a thread discussing quality is #2 from above. Interested to hear your thoughts. I am not interested in getting into a flame war. I liked the book, you clearly didn't. Not all the reviews I posted are pop reviews; the Melbourne Age newspaper is a credible paper, and the review was posted in its review section on Sat 2 March. Here's the google page for "Memory of Light review". It seems that at least 90% of the reviews are positive, and many of them would be from reputable people. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=memory+of+light+review&rlz=1C1BLWB_enAU511AU511&aq=f&oq=memory+of+light+review&aqs=chrome.0.57j60l2j0l3.5210&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
  9. I never said damane were evil. The whole fall into the War of Shadow from the Age of Legends came about because, after the Bore had been drilled, the DO's influence was able to increase the amount of evil in humans. This was necessary because the AoL was very peaceful.
  10. 1. Link to the review? Was mentioned earlier but in the industry there are a number of well known reviewers who reacted negatively. Take this example from Pat's Fantasy Hotlist. http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/search?q=memory+of+light+review 2. If you think it was a strong finish could you please break down why? Really hoping to see analysis of not just individual nice moments but why this was a strong finish as a book from a literary perspective as the timeline mistakes, unpolished writing, blunt plot work and continuity errors have been discussed in detail. It would be nice to see positive opinions backed up by support for why they feel that way. Here are some links to positive reviews: http://io9.com/5975831/the-wheel-of-time-rolls-to-a-stop-io9s-review-of-a-memory-of-light http://fantasybookcritic.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/a-memory-of-light-by-robert-jordan.html http://nethspace.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/review-memory-of-light-by-robert-jordan.html http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7743175-a-memory-of-light (this has popular ratings that avg to 4.6 from a total of 8,524 ratings) http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/01/the-wheel-of-time-a-memory-of-light-spoiler-review I can't find the review from "The Age" online, but it was in the Age's review section last Saturday. You can get many more positive reviews than negatives from googling "memory of light review". So, although many people here seem to disagree, the general sentiment on this final book is very positive.
  11. As Tuon said, there's a difference between a marath'damane and a Damane who escaped. That Egwene was the second was a huge deal to Tuon. And how exactly will they control male channelers? And who'll ensure the men don't die in the process? Or take control of the women controlling them? Male channellers will be controlled using the male a'dam. On your 3rd point, the sul'dam will try to break the men quickly. Men who resist beyond a certain point iwll be killed. However, I can see a scenario where one man slips through the cracks, and starts dominating the sul'dam. No sul'dam knows anything about saidin. So they can't control or do anything to the male channelers. I don't get that argument. Men and women are able to link without either sex knowing anything about how the other sex's power works. Effectively, the a'dam creates a forced linking, so the sul'dam will quickly learn how to control the male damane.
  12. I had a comment deleted earlier for being off-topic, so I'd just like to say here that my local paper's professional review was very positive towards aMoL. Maybe there are some inconsistencies, but overall it was a strong finish to the series.
  13. As Tuon said, there's a difference between a marath'damane and a Damane who escaped. That Egwene was the second was a huge deal to Tuon. And how exactly will they control male channelers? And who'll ensure the men don't die in the process? Or take control of the women controlling them? Male channellers will be controlled using the male a'dam. On your 3rd point, the sul'dam will try to break the men quickly. Men who resist beyond a certain point iwll be killed. However, I can see a scenario where one man slips through the cracks, and starts dominating the sul'dam.
  14. Rand's vision without the DO was basically a world of Stepford Wives. The DO is literally the source of evil, and gives people free will. With the DO sealed away, people are left with their own innate evil. If the DO is killed, evil is also killed, and the world becomes like the Stepford Wives. With the DO able to touch the world, as he was in the War of Power, and while the seals were failing, the evil within people is enhanced, so there are more evil people globally. So sealing the DO away does reduce the total amount of evil, and the Blight will also disappear now. As to how knowledge was lost between our Age and the AoL, just have a nuclear war. That'll do the trick. And maybe the survivors of that holocaust have their genes altered by radiation in such a way that a few can use the Power.
  15. Fionwe, I think Tuon would view Egwene as a marath'damane - one Tuon had to negotiate with, but still a marath'damane when all was said and done. And if Hawkwing doesn't rip Tuon over the damane, then the Seanchan will have no reason to abandon the damane. I think my scenario is looking more probable with the Seanchan going back to Seanchan, and beginning the training of male damane, and a breeding program, hoping one day to be able to invade Randland again. I doubt that the powerful Randland channellers will be motivated enough to actually invade Seanchan, since this would cost a lot of lives, and there is the Dragon's Peace.
  16. It was a sad death for both Bela and Egwene, but at least Egwene took at Taim.
  17. @Hime, I actually agree with you that the Seanchan will NOT give up the damane easily. However, as I've been saying, they'll now need male damane, and the backwash effect will allow the male damane to eventually take control of the sul'dam. If one male damane remains unbroken by that stage, then the sul'dam will have HELL to pay, and will be an addition to my "bad girls who suffer fates worse than death" thread.
  18. Quote We do have the interview from RJ, but afaik, we don't know exact population numbers of countries in any of the books, so I don't see how we could extrapolate the percentages without RJ's interview. What I actually mean is: how many people can be taught to channel for each person who is born with the ability and will channel regardless?
  19. Do we have any info in the books or the guide as to the ratio of people who are born channellers to those who can be taught to channel?
  20. There's lots of discussion of this on the Seanchan thread. Remember that the male collars have a flaw that allows the man to eventually control the woman. I can imagine the men getting revenge on the sul'dam after being flogged, etc. The sul'dam would need to break the men quickly, or else kill them. Well it was stated that effect could be mitigated by passing control around. I doubt the empire would have a problem instituting a policy that kept certain sul'dam from working with the same man for extended periods of time. I may write a story at some stage in which the male damane get revenge on the sul'dam, and start dominating the sul'dam. In that case, the sul'dam would suffer a Fate worse than Death.
  21. I don't think I'd like to attempt to fly using Gateways, thanks all the same.
  22. Actually I don't want the Seanchan to do anything about the damane by themselves. I want the male damane to do something about the sul'dam using the backwash effect. As they say, God helps those who help themselves. And maybe the male damane who leads the rebellion will name himself Emperor of Seanchan.
  23. Thrasymachus, the Seanchan continent is a LOT bigger than North Korea. Maybe a better comparison would be to the Soviet Union, who had their KGB and Siberia for dissidents.
  24. Cybertrolloc, if you want to bust the planet with the OP, just open a Gateway to the core of the Sun. THAT should do the trick.
  25. Thrasymachus, your assumption that what the rest of the world thinks will matter to the Seanchan is wrong. Look at North Korea in the real world. The rest of the world might grind its teeth, and threaten sanctions, but will they actually invade Seanchan to enforce the rights of channellers, especially given the Dragon's Peace. In all probability, Seanchan will be ignored until it actually invades Randland again. However, I think there's a good chance that the male damane will get some revenge on the sul'dam, given the feedback flaw in the male a'dam. I may write a fan fiction story about such a scenario.
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