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Isgrimner

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  1. Gawyn is, beyond question, guilty of egregious douchebaggery. But your example is not a good one. Gawyn had no reason to believe Suian's deposing was improper. Neither did the Warders who attempted to free her. As far as either group knew, Suian was properly removed. Gawyn was following the law as established.

     

    And that's without even getting into the fact that joining an organization does not deprive one of moral agency. If he felt the actions of the rebel Warders to be unlawful and wrong, he should have opposed them. The same goes for those rebel Warders themselves.

     

    I feel this is pretty much correct. The only think you probably could nitpick is the understating of Gawyn's level of douchebaggery, because if douchegaggery was like the Source, Gawyn's walking around with both Access Keys all the time.

     

    We all know that RJ has a military background, so its logical to think that he would draw from that expirience and possibly use it as a model. Servicemen and women have to follow "Lawful" orders and oppose unlawful orders. Now, you can rationalize that Gawyn was a forign dignitary and not part of the tower chain of command. Still, from his point of view he is in the middle of an attempted coup, so he sides on the lawful side. I don't consider him choosing one side, the side he believes to be the established lawful side, and and thus killing for that side to make him a murderer. It makes him a combatent, but not a murderer.

     

    Now do I think his feelings about Suian, for what happened to Egwene and Elayne, played a roll or made it easier for him to choose Elaida and the Tower? I'm sure it did, part of his douchebaggery.

     

    We could look a little closer into his actions leading up to and around Dumai's Wells and its possible some of those actions could be considered murder. He also has considered murder when he decided he wanted to leave the Younglings, I think he would have killed if he had to when "deserting". So, again he is a Douchebag.

  2. I think I may have liked CoT. Though it seems that the books from ACoS to CoT kind of blend to me now in that events that take place in them, I would have to sit and try to figure out which book it actually took place in.

     

    I know Mat was in CoT so of course I liked his parts. I think I did feel a lot of frustration with all the Elayne chapters in one of the books. I really didn't care too much about the process her gaining Andoran crown. I recall getting to a new chapter and seeing it as an Elayne chapter and wanting to throw the book. That was really drawn out too much. I can't remember if the bulk this was mainly in CoT or PoD.

     

    I know I liked KoD though.

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