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They had no way to know about the Gateways and Dreams.
Plus it was not as secure as they thought - they were convinced that the Children were unaware of them and yet as it turned out Pedron Nial was well aware of them.
Now he failed to attack because a divided Tower was good for his plans (namely the Andor campaign) and later he got busy with a war with the Prophet of Ghealdan, but he could have attacked them, and if the complete armies of the Children and Amadicia had struck Salidar - well even if they did not annihilate them completely they could have inflicted irreparable losses on the Aes Sedai (and worse still - their mystique) and would have had a far easier time recovering themselves.
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Does the companion whether burnout can be healed since Satelle couldn't hold the adam but Suian could
I don't have the Companion handy so I can't check, but I believe it says that Satelle was never healed.
That said, I'm fairly certain that burn out can be healed, because of course anything aside from death and madness supposedly can be healed by the One Power, but it certainly doesn't happen in the life time of these characters.
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Another good question today.
Im not sure if a adam would work or not. A T'angreal that actually uses the one power would not work im sure (such as the balefire rod) but an adam does not actually use the power does it, it just established a link between the suldan and damane, but perhaps the link is done with the power.
Another question to ponder.
I suppose related to that, would a shocklance work in a Stedding? In the Age of Legends basically all technology was fueled by the One Power.
Now I have this vision of the Steddings each having a coal power plant to provide them electricity.
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Didn't the Heroes of the Horn have many names? (I think it was in the GH, not the MoL). I seem to remember that some of the names were VERY familiar ones, like Artur had also been named Arthur. When I first read it, I thought RJ wasn't alluding to the fact that the Heroes had had many previous lives, but that there were many worlds out there and one of them was ours.
So if one had fought the Shadow with ballistic missiles, that makes sense.
No, our world is a past age.
I don't think the mirror worlds are fully real (which isn't what I wanted to believe) but ultimately it is the only one that makes sense - each person only has one soul after all.
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Ok so thanks to the news of the wheel of time tv series, of which i am both terrified and exited for, i have decided to once again reread the series. I always forget about this damned mirror world with the weird black lines and the white streak in the sky and the fact that these are never explained.
This time around however I have going back and forth over the text in an attempt to ween out every possible clue.
I have finally come to a belief that explains all of the things described in this chapter.
I believe it is the mirror of a technologcially advanced world. The white streak in the sky is that of either a scouting aircraft or a rocket heading into orbit. An orbit in which exists at least one or more lazer weapons. I know this has been said many times before but i think i can explain further.
The black streaks are described as tapered at the ends, sometimes a mile wide, sometimes only a few hundred paces, the soil crunches as if seared, and always east to west. "as is if someone had streaked it with a monsterous brush of fire."
Nothing grew where the burns were even though some of them "had the feel of a thing long done".
The land seems lifeless, no animals insects, birds or fish, even the water tastes lifeless "it tasted flat as if it had been boiled.
I could imagine that there is a whole strip of land across the entire continent dedicated as a "no mans land" which could act a a barrier to the dark one and his minions in the north. This whole swathe of land could have been sterilized which could prevent the blight from taking over and would make the water taste lifeless while making it difficult for any animals to live there. some plants or trees may be able to survive but not thrive and certainly unable reclaim the burned bits.
Each of the strips could be the result of various sized trolloc hordes attempting to cross and getting obliterated by the orbital weapons. The weapons would be presumably adjustable in size (which would allow for power saving, control, accuracy etc) explaining why the streaks were all different sizes. The lazer explains the tapering as it powers up and powers down (or opens and closes some form of iris), and the orbit explains why they are always east to west. A baddass sci fi ion cannon would be pretty monstrous for some one on the ground.
The white streaks in the sky could be a visual cue for us to think about looking up and could be a rocket heading into orbit lending to the orbital weapon theory, or drones keeping watch over the land but also hinting to us as readers that this series of books contains advanced technologies.
I seem to vaguely remember RJ saying something about this being being a bit of a nod to another author but I cant seem to find it at the moment. If some can track it down I think that other story might give more clues about what this world may actually be.
So i could be very wrong but this makes sense in my mind and seems to fit all of the clues we have.
I like this idea.
And perhaps everything is dead because these automated machines killed most things off?
One thing which took me a long time to realize was that, because of how the Wheel works, although this world diverged from our own at an early date (pre-Age of Legends if the grolm are native, although that said, we have no reason to think they are as there are no traces of other exotics and Lanfear could have grabbed them from their own world and brought them to a lifeless - avoids the risk of complications) it still will likely follow a certain "path" so chances are, when Hawkwing lost to the Trolloc armies, both sides probably had guns and tanks and other advanced technologies. And that makes sense because the Wheel weaves to bring about certain figures (although of course, we really don't know if Hawkwing even existed in this world, since it seems Loial can't read Trolloc).
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I would say the effects of isolation vary from person to person.
Regardless Elyas seemed to be a very awkward person to me who was not totally comfortable with interacting with these people.He also does not seem to be THAT isolated, the Tinkers know him well in that caravan, and what are the odds that is the only caravan he knows anyone at?
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Sabio, can I have a link to that RJ confirmation, please? I'd love to read that!
Sabio, can I have a link to that RJ confirmation, please? I'd love to read that!
It is probably a reference to this:
Interview: Jan 16th, 2003
COT Signing Report - Tim Kington (Paraphrased)Question
(inaudible)Robert Jordan
Yes, the Champion of the Light has gone over in the past. This is a game you have to win every time. Or rather, that you can only lose once—you can stay in if you get a draw. Think of a tournament with single elimination. If you lose once, that's it. In the past, when the Champion of the Light has gone over to the Shadow, the result has been a draw.Which doesn't really mean the Dark one won though. -
Is there a basis in the books for cups, wands, swords, and pentagrams? I have a hard time seeing Jordan, as a Christian, using Wiccan symbols on his dice...
I don't think Wiccanism was what RJ had in mind.
In this case it was probably Masonic.
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He should have gone with Lanfear.
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It actually makes a lot of sense, this world was very different in many ways from the one we know (the Seanchan exotics being one obvious example) but nonetheless the Wheel saw to it that it followed a similar pattern. Presumably the world better recovered from the Breaking, or (though the similar geography tells against it) the Breaking was not as bad.
Hawkwing still existed because the Wheel demanded it be so, in this world he presumably was well on his way to uniting the world with his army of motorcycle knights and jet fighters when the well-equipped Trollocs smashed him in battle.Another world would exist where he won the battle and things ended up much the same as in our world except that the Last Battle had hover tanks.
That is how I've rationalised all this anyway.
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It seems like an interesting theory (and did Slayer actually have Luc's soul? It was my understanding that only one of them was dead, and if that were Luc then I could see the Horn working on him) the only problem with that (well there are several) is that it should have been referenced at some point in the series, one would think it would have played a role in the Last Battle at least? Admittedly RJ's position on the Horn seems to have been somewhat vague, at least in the notes.
The problem is that though Luc may not be properly dead and therefore would show up in his previous form, Tigraine should show up as a Hero of the Horne as Tigraine which she does not, granted they don't have to show up as their previous life, but it is my understanding that that is definitely the protocol.
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"Goodkind's work is a veritable how to guide for unscrupulous publishers who do not have the rights"
Is that really true? I have never read any of his work, but Goodkind's series is published by Tor is it not?
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So, let me get this straight: Egwene dies, along with her discovery of maybe the single-greatest spell EVER! Now nobody will rediscover that weave for thousands of years, if ever! Common!!!
I thought it was a rather silly weave, perhaps if I ever reread the book it will make more sense but at the time I thought it was rather silly. But remember that as the wheel turns that weave shall be rediscovered so you don't have to feel bad.
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As your Moiraine quote showed, she did, in fact, show aptitude with politics. For comparison, it took Rand two weeks of training from Elayne (mixed with kissing sessions) to come up with a plan to play the Tairen factions against each other. Why is it okay for Rand to pick up politics from his girlfriend in two weeks, but not okay for Egwene to pick up politics after months of lessons from Moiraine?
IIRC it was three days, not two weeks.
Every main character in this series learns things at an amazing rate. Not sure Egwene tends to be singled out for this. Mat learned to juggle 6 balls at once in 2 weeks or so, and Elayne learned how to make back flips on a high rope in about the same period. Even freaking Aram become super badass with a sword in a few months.
Most of the characters had the good excuse of magic, whether it be Rand reacquiring skills from a previous life or Mat also using previous lives, Perrin's skills did not grow implausibly aside from Taverness causing things to work out in his favour more often than not. Mat's juggling is not a good example, as I don't think RJ realised how hard that was.
The problem with Egwene was that she was not ta veren and that frankly seemed far too good at playing politics than she should be. I suppose to some extent it is also because I had always had problems with Egwene's political mentor Siaun as well, I did not think that she was anywhere near old enough to rule the WT and prior to New Spring had always mentally doubled her age because of it. I just found a teenage girl defeating centuries old women at their own game extremly implausible.
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R.e. Egwene's humanity, I think she sometimes comes across as lacking in this department just by comparison to other characters. She is more accepting of the sacrifices and hard decisions a leader has to make than the three ta'veren (particularly Rand), possibly because she didn't want to be a vilage girl - she wanted to leave the TR and possibly had dreams about where she would end up.
In CoT there is an Egwene chapter followed by a Rand chapter where both are thinking abou how they have to use people. Egwene thinks about how far she has come from a village girl while rand is disgusted with himself.
I agree with that, to some extent I suppose it is the character RJ wanted, but coupled with the other issues I had with the plausibility of her arc it really rendered the Egwene portions of the later books quite a chore to me.
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I really doubt that the death of Egwene had anything to do with "sexism" or fan dislike. At all.
Personally I did not like her death as the whole anti-balefire thing seemed kind of silly. I do agree with the above that I never found Egwene as Amyrlyn to be plausible, they did not elect Popes that young in the Middle Ages after all, I just found it extremely implausible to have her succesfully outplotting women with centuries of experience. Additionally I did not find her sympathatic (particularily not after FoH) which certainly did not help.
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I don't know about a full page describing a dress but there were ten back to back pages describing toe nails and nail polish. From memory Elayne had red toe nails, Aviendha red, Egwene red, Min red, Moiraine red, Nynaeve red ... or was that yellow? I can't remember :-(
Don't mock that scene, RJ was a master, Moraine's red nail polish (as opposed to her accustomed blue) foreshadowed her duel with Lanfear. Also Nynaeve's were green remember like those dresses she wore for Lan...
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This has long vexed me as well. But I think that one thing we must keep in mind is that even if one of the primary differences was the Shadow's victory at Talidar it would appear that that world had been different for a long time, as the existence of grolm would indicate, as people would have travelled to this world from Seanchan after the Breaking, and it was already different centuries before Hawkwing. Although I don't believe we see any evidence for the grolm or other exotics neccessarily being native to this land, it could just be that Lanfear brought them there as well and the grolm originally came from a different portal world.
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I always assumed that for the sparkers it was need which lead to them starting to channel (as I believe was mentioned in one of the books), they really needed to heal a friend or a pet or they needed a fire or a lightning bolt to strike someone down. At first they did this essentially unconsciously but eventually they realised that it was because of them that the lightning bolts struck down their enemies, and so they gradually learned to do it consciously although possibly with some sort of block for instance, they may think that in order for the lighting to come down they would need to say abracadabra and make some sort of hand gesture, (as that is what they did when the lightning came) and the man could teach his followers to do the same. Eventually the One Power would end up getting examined more scientifically and the more mystical and superstitious elements of channeling could be abandoned as unnecessary, for instance the hand gestures which many Aes Sedai are taught to make when they do not actually need to.
Does that any make sense at all to anyone aside from myself?
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I think it is worth noting that many (most?) False Dragons cannot channel.
@ Kael Pyralis I believe the "first" channeler (at least conscious channeller was Tamyrlin and I believe RJ also stated that these first channelers had a heavy attrition rate as they taught themselves to channel.
Can Ter'Angreal Like the Adam (Collar) Be Used in a Stedding?
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My understanding is that the One Power can't be used for healing madness and the True Power is the only thing that can do so there. The One Power can heal physical ailments, but madness is a spiritual ailment.
There was that workaround in ToM but I believe that was just BS looking for something to fill pages with.