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Leatherleaf

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  1. Thom claims that Mat has the fastest hands he's ever seen. Combine that speed with Mat's ability to declothe women (unlike Perrin, who constantly pops buttons off of Faile's dresses), and I see no reason why Mat couldn't remove a simple necklace. Jewelry is simple to take off compared to shifts and coursets!
  2. I'd like to focus in on this part, as I found it the most interesting (for a side topic anyways). Side Note: I'd like to point out that the pattern itself is neutral, encompassing good and evil and just weaving on... although I can't remember which book it specifically describes that in, I do remember that Perrin feels discomforted to find out that the pattern itself is not good, but throws the cheap metal in with the good, so to speak. Back to What I Was Going to Say: What you said here made me think about the idea of fate and free will within the series. Obviously, this series focuses on the roles of fate and free will, how they sometimes work together, and so on. I like how you said though, that the Creator is about making choices (free will), whereas the Dark One is about the absence of choice (fate). Indeed we almost never see the creator take a direct hand in anything, whereas the Dark One, like a creepy drunk in a bar, enjoys touching the world a little too much. Likely, that is where the statement "the Dark One's own luck" comes from, as the Creator refuses to take part in the world, whereas the Dark One moves events to his liking. Yet we have good (and bad) prophecies, inspirations of and about fate. So if the Dark One is the embodiment of fate, then Rand would never be reborn without the Dark One. Indeed, because the Dark One is the Lord of the Grave, it seems that he would be in charge of rebirthing dead souls. I think what I'm starting to get at is that the Wheel of Time must have both the Creator and the Dark One to go on in a circular sense. Thus, where the Creator made everything, he made the Dark One to be the driving force of the Wheel, of the rebirth of souls and ages. Ishamael basically says that if the Dark One wins, time will cease. On the other hand (and as many theorists have pointed out), if Rand kills the Dark One, the wheel will break and time will become linear. If such occurs, souls will no longer be reborn, ages shall never return, and fate will be no more. Essentially, if Rand kills the Dark One, free will destroys fate. I don't know that I needed to write anything down here, but I really enjoyed your quote and the ideas behind it, I think I need to write it down somewhere. Hopefully you'll get more fulfilling replies from other people.
  3. Hey everyone, I am writing an essay that is due on Tuesday about Fate and Free will in Fantasy novels (specifically, it's about Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana, but I'm referring to other sources as well). I know there are quotes in WOT about the pattern, most people having control except ta'veren having less control, and such. If you don't mind helping me find those quotes, what books they are in, and what pages they are on, that would help me greatly and I would much appreciate it! Thanks for the help!
  4. Hey everyone, I need help finding a good Timeline of Arda, covering events from the creation to the end of the Lord of the Rings. It must be an image though! I've found many good timelines, but they are just words, I need a picture of one, preferably that only highlights major events that circle around the plots of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings (i.e. Smeagol finding the ring, Bilbo finding the ring, Narsil breaking, and so on). I need this for a group presentation in my Fantasy and the Epic Tradition class on The Hobbit. Any help would be vastly appreciated!
  5. The other day I looked up the release date of A Memory of Light, and was dismayed to discover January 8th, 2013 as the date to mark down, although I will need to buy next year’s calendar to do so. Yet, after my initial disappointment I began reflect. I don’t remember exactly how old I was when I first read The Eye of the World, but I think it was around grade 7 or so, making it roughly 12 years ago when a wind swept across the Rocky Mountains, from the Crowsnest Pass, through Pincher Creek and across the plains of Southern Alberta and into my home. It was a beginning. What I do remember is my mom buying it for me because a guy working at Chapters recommended it. I recall Rand walking with his father, with a darkness hanging over their small journey to Emond’s Field. I remember meeting Mat for the first time, suspecting I had met a friend for life, and meeting Perrin, who I would later realize I most resemble of the three. Looking back, it took me an absurd amount of time to figure out what exactly the One Power was, and Aes Sedai confused me to the core my first time through The Eye, and so I re-read it. Yes, at this time there were other books in the series available, but I felt the need to re-read, to understand because I think—on some level—I knew there was a strange, wonderful journey ahead. And so I came to understand a great many things about this world. I read each book often long into the night, connecting dusks and dawns with the flipping of pages, discovering new friends, peoples, places. I have read and re-read the series many times, at least dozens, and discover more and more. As I have changed, growing older, growing up, becoming a husband, a father, my perceptions have altered, my respect for characters has risen and fallen. I now admire the Tinkers as the most respectable of peoples where once I thought little of them. I have even grown to accept Elayne as a person! Yet there is so much that I don’t know. What significance does the Eye have? How does Luc/Isam enter Tel’aran’rhiod in the flesh? Through channeling? If so, how can he enter Far Madding to attempt to kill Rand? Who killed Asmodean? Did Lanfear visit the Finns in her youth? What’s Laras’ story? Possibly as a result of the loose-ends, in my later re-reads I have grown impatient with several of the later books, with offshoot plotlines like the circus, the bowl of the winds, and others. Yet with the final book on the horizon, I look back to my teenage years, reading these books with a zeal for adventure and love. I remember enjoying Elayne and Nynaeve’s bickering, laughing at Mat fumble through Ebou Dar, angry with the Two Rivers’ men’s treatment of Perrin after Faile’s kidnapping, and dumbfounded by Rand and the question of Lews Therin’s (non)existence. I remember loving these books for their exploration of character; the plot was almost unimportant. And so I come to realize how deeply I love this world. For The Wheel of Time is not just a series of books, but rather it is a force that has radiated in me for over half my life. It has power; I laugh every time Mat kicks the shit out of Gawyn and Galad. My heart quickens whenever Rand chases Aviendha through the snow. I shiver each time Perrin loses his family and avenges them and the Two Rivers. And I shed real tears, silently and to myself, when Weilin Aldragoran meets Nynaeve, when she convinces him to ride with her husband to the gap. Yes, while I look forward to reading A Memory of Light, the tears blurring my vision right now convince me that January 8th is too soon. I have been hasty. I took Robert Jordan for granted and have done the same for Brandon Sanderson and Harriet McDougal. I really am sorry. I share my reflections with all of you, I have my reasons, I won’t impose all of them on you. But I only request one thing: the next time you read The Wheel of time, read it with that eye and mind you first read it with, be refreshed, and enjoy it. The date is too soon, like a looming darkness. Let the Last Battle hold just a while longer.
  6. Ah thanks for the input. Alas, I think the most telling debunkery though is where you would find a barber who would go through with such a haircut, knowing that they would no longer be required for that customer again. It all comes down to money, thanks Karl Marx!
  7. If one loved a haircut so much that one wished to keep their hair in that style permanently, could one visit a Balefire Barber to burn the threads of their hair to a specific point that would never grow? Likewise, could said barber Balefire the face to prevent having to shave forever? Also, could one Balefire fingernails and the like just to make one's grooming that much simpler?
  8. As I was updating my apps today, I noticed the update for Infinity Blade describes something coming up called Infinity Blade: Awakening, an iBook written by Brandon Sanderson. All I can say is...WHAT THE HELL B-SANDS? You are supposed to be writing some Memoirs about Visual Energy, not other ventures! We have been waiting for our final book, and you're dangling pages of unrelated meat before our very eyes! With that said, I'm not actually pissed off. Mr Sanderson (that has an almost Matrix-like tone to it) has done well so far with our beloved WOT, and I look forward to November.
  9. Oh okay, I forgot about Suian's teachings on the return from the Borderlands. However, I am sure that Egwene indeed is a sparker, but I don't have a quote to back that up. I am assuming that Suian in particular was forcing Egwene, because Moiraine's instruction - as far as I know - was to help Egwene begin to learn so she wouldn't succumb to the deaths that plague 3 out of 4 wilders. For some reason, I thought that Elaida had begun to teach Elayne (also a sparker) as well, before Elayne first went to Tar Valon. If so, then that initial teaching wouldn't be considered forcing, because I know that Elayne expresses some jealousy that Egwene is as strong (slightly stronger?) than Elayne herself, but admits that Egwene was forced. If both Elayne and Egwene had those initial Aes Sedai instructions before heading to the Tower, then those instructions wouldn't be considered forcing.
  10. As stated in several books in the series, a (female only?) channeler can be forced to wield saidar faster than recommended. In Salidar, Suian is noted to have apologized to Egwene several times for forcing Egwene. However, I can't recall Suian forcing Egwene. I thought that Egwene's forced strength came from "studying" with the Seanchean. What am I missing here?
  11. This may have been discussed, but I haven't seen it. I think I may have found the reason why Andoran nobility resemble - to one degree or another - the features of Aiel. When Rand goes to Rhuidean and sees the Aiel history, we see that at one point some Aiel women and children are taken prisoner by people. It can be assumed that this was not the only instance of such kidnapping. Also, in a discussion following the Rhuidean visit, Rand is told that the Cairhienin were the only people to not abuse the Aiel. So, what I think had occurred is that some of the ones who kidnapped Aiel women took them as wives and eventually came to be of the line that founded Andor. Thus, their descendants would resemble Aiel. If this theory is true, I hope Elayne finds out that her people are not so wonderful after all... take that gold-haired-chit down a notch...
  12. Stone Dogs act as rear guards, and other societies make fun of their stubbornness.
  13. Found the quote. It's in The Great Hunt, I think the chapter is "The Nine Rings" (a good name for an Inn!) and it is when Rand, with Hurin, Loial, and Selene leave the alternate world via the stone near Cairhien, they go to the Nine Rings Inn, and Rand asks the innkeeper if she has seen a woman (Moiraine) with a fighting man who sometimes wears his sword on his back. That's as close a quote as I'll give, I'm audiobooking it and don't feel like rewinding... ::)
  14. I figured for the longest time that Mat wasn't very good looking. But you said it correctly Beer Rot, beauty is subjective, and I think it is Tuon that states he is good looking. I think though, that Mat may be semi-good looking, but has lots of battle scars (he avoids healing, and has been hung...). Some chicks dig scars. Not Graendal...
  15. Now I could be way off, as I had also thought the voice to be the Creator, but as I read it again, I start to think this is the Dark One's voice. One bad reason is that we witness the Dark One speaking several times throughout the series. A better reason (although very refutable) is the term "CHOSEN" used, as in, "I WILL TAKE NO PART. ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL." Now I know the terms "the chosen one" make it seem like it will be the Dragon, but what if it meant Nae'blis? Likely the Dark One was thinking Ishy would be a good Nae'blis candidate early on, and perhaps here the Dark One is hoping that Ishy will do the his dirty work. The "IT IS NOT HERE" in this case likely refers to Tarmon Gaidon, and the Dark One, this early on, does not want to directly affect events, rather, he wants to meet the Dragon only at Tarmon Gaidon. Soon though, Rand will start wreaking havoc on the Dark One's minions, so the Dark One decides to increase his touch on the world. In the end, I'm probably wrong, but I felt like playing Dark One's advocate :D
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