nicely done, ladies!

oooof, y'all... not much doing here...  Anyone, game thoughts? I'll be back later. 

ok. So we're at 24 hours until deadline.

Dar Jen, LYLO stands for "lynch or lose". It basically means if we don't get mafia today, they win.

Apologies for missing the last vote deadline, by the way. I was out late Tuesday night and had misread the hammer game rules. 

looking at who's left in the game, then:

Lessa: I waffle here. Some of her posts have been funny, I guess. 

Elgee: Again, a little lurky, and I don't really feel she's contributed much overall to the game. 

Rhea: I've overall liked her well reasoned posts in this game. She seems like she is thinking for herself, and not just following a team. 

Devil: DO NOT like the lurkiness. Also feel like a few of his posts have been a little off, but I could be making that up

LZM: Can't vote today. If he's scum, the other two are definitely lurking. But he at least seems genuinely flummoxed about Turin's flip. Want to hear some thoughts post reread. 

Dar Jen: I still think Town and new. On the other hand, being a newb is a perfect defense, and if I was leading a scum team, I would have her emphasize this to avoid suspicion. 

Charis: Like, SUPER town. TTT

So: All players, in order from most scummy to least (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion):

Devil

LZM (pending thoughts post reread)

Elgee

Lessa

Dar Jen 

Rhea

Charis

Interesting. 

So Turin was town after all, not white knighting a bit, just a good judge of character. And someone had a night action to keep LZM from voting.

And it's LYLO. 

Well. 

Also, I take it that last post from Shad means the RP/mini game is over now, right? Just down to actual mafias. Whee!

Turin

LZM

Rhea

 

Charis

Devil

Elgee

 

 

Pretty sure there is at least 1 scum in both groups.

Sorry if I'm being slow, but are these lists you cooked up yourself or did they come from Devil as your Neighbor? If you cooked them up yourself, why are some of us on there but not others?

in any case, since Turin asked, here goes:

Turin- v. agressive play style, clearly experienced, comfortable with multiple posts, which explains why he's head and shoulders above us all in post count. Still feels town to me, but I'll agree there's a strong possibility he's white knighting

Lessa-Scattered play style. Felt random to me at first, but idk, I'm beginning to come to Rhea's side here.

Elgee- I don't know. I think its possible she's a mafia lurker, but kind of unlikely.

Rhea- I'd feel more sure if Dar's action had gone through, that's disappointing, but again, I see no evidence for her being mafia

Devil- hasn't posted enough and isn't reading thoroughly enough, as he's getting confused. Still, doesn't seem entirely Town to me for some reason. 

Verbal- I'd like to hear more from him today

LZM- At the risk of playing into LZM/Charis trains, this is my strongest feel about scum. He's played a lot of games, I believe and been soundly wrong on this one so far. Unless he's been right and leading us astray. 

DarJen- if she's mafia, she's doing an ADMIRABLE job of being the lurker mafioso. I think it is much more likely that she's exactly what she seems: a brand new vanilla townie.

Charis- TTT

People I'd be willing as of this moment, to lynch: 

LZM

Lessa

Devil 

People I could get talked into lynching:

Verb

Elgee

Turin

 

so... Daruya was town after all...

 

 

LZM, care to talk about that, buddy? Devil? Dar'Jen? Bueller?

I was wrong.

 

Care to talk about that abysmal ed wagon you hopped on?

 

And pretty painfully so, apparently. 

As for the Ed wagon, if being the second person on makes it a wagon, sure, I'd love to talk about that. I'm with Verb: 

Tempted to vote the lowest contributors, really.  In this type of game, I feel like there is definitely mafia lurking/hiding in the low contributors.

We hadn't seen him at all during day 2 and he'd had absolutely ZERO meaningful input that we could see in the game thus far. That isn't like Ed as a person, whatsoever. See below.

 

Charis is also starting to look more guilty to me. Verbs post asking for explanations is pretty clear that he was speaking to Turin and Dar. Both Lessa and Charis felt the need to defend themselves when it was obvious that they had not posted after Darthe claimed Harry. I don't buy the "it sure sounds like he wanted to hear from all of us" excuse. Because it didn't. 

 

Excellent point, btw.

 

*shrug* take it how you like, I will say, repeatedly, unabashedly and unashamedly that maybe that was a rookie error. As was, perhaps, my unwillingness to vote for a more active player in the game during day 2. 

As for the Turin/Dar as mafia theory, I would say that LZM's "evidence" doesn't hold up at this point, unless Turin chose to ally himself with someone town just to make himself look innocent, which seems like a stretch to me. 

Oh, Elgee, my love, I am so very very sorry to hear that. Your family is in my thoughts and prayers, and if there is ANYTHING I can do, please know that I would love to do it. *snuggles*

so... Daruya was town after all...

LZM, care to talk about that, buddy? Devil? Dar'Jen? Bueller? 

I think you're out of luck until Tomorrow Turin. 

And Dar, do what yout hink is best!

Charis, that is sketching me out. Why do you think he is town?

I don't know that I think he is Town, I just haven't seen enough evidence to the contrary. Essentially the same reason I'm not voting for you.

One of the (many) reasons I didn't get more into mafia is that I am, in life, uncomfortable making decisions when I don't have all the answers. That's what this game is built on, which is one reason I choose not to play much. 

In this instance, I don't feel like I have a strong read on either you or LZM, so I'm not willing to vote for either. 

I pick the target, they get the names.

 

But right now, I'm not sure of ANYONE!

 Dar, I can assure you, I'm town if you want to use that, I can do the best I can with it. 

so to simplify, if we wanted to gang up on someone, I would be willing to vote for Devil, because he is willing to sacrifice someone I don't find scummy just for information. Ed, because he just can't be bothered to post and it's annoying. Lessa, thin reasonings for her votes. Or Dar'Jen, although I like that least, because I can't tell if she's being scummy or is just too new to know that she reads that way. 

Sorry, not willing to go for LZM tonight. 

Charis, Dar did reveal her character. She says she is Dean Thomas.

thanks for the reminder! 

Charis, who besides ed are you willing to vote?

ugh, Turin, I don't know. I could potentially vote for Lessa. Or, TBH, you, but I don't really feel like Daruya is mafia. And you know what, Rhea is right, could go Devil. 

 

 

Vote: Daruya

 

Getting vote in before deadline. Spotty internet here. Sorry.

Why please?

 

 

Um...yes, why please? 

 

I understand you are new but Day 1 was a vote before deadline on Darthe and now this?

 

yeah, this is sketchy. 

 

@ Charis, I was pushing it because it seemed odd, then all three of you pop up doing the same thing and now I'm not sure anymore. 

 

I still feel like Lessa's vote on Darthe was opportunistic and her only reason was that Darthe didn't have a good enough reason for voting Dar. I didn't see anywhere after that where she really had anything else on him.if there was please show me. She started the train on him, and regardless of who came back or who didn't after his Harry claim, her vote initiated the whole thing. I also know that it sounded like she was paying to the flavor of the game as well, but the polyjuice posts didn't sit well with me. It felt to me like she was buddying up to Daruya. Which is what a scum player will do with a townie. It was also distracting and didn't make sense. Then she defends Daruya, which is also on my list of scummy things to do. Now her OMGUS vote on me because of what, me being sus of her and you but not DarJen, which is a pretty thin excuse and makes me even more sure she is up to no good. I didn't see DarJen post her response and I really don't want to waste my vote today. I do not believe Daruya is scum, nor Turin for that matter. I'm not 100% but they read more townie to me than anyone else at this point. So that leaves LZM. 

 

Thanks Rhea. I'll agree that some of that does seem weird on her part.

Turin, I'm here and forget it, I'm with you, if I can post so can he. VOTE ED

My notes in green, mostly for myself, feel free to use if helpful. 

ROSTER:

1. Turin Turambar- protecting Daruya. Either both scum or neither. After LZM for I think (but could be misremembering!) shaky reasons
2. Lessa Nikia- being seen as defensive by Rhea. 
3. ed2funy- dead a** not posting enough. Seriously, might be worth a lynch to me. 
4. Elgee- only comment recently was agreeing with Verby, would like to see more. 
5. Rhea- after Lessa and maybe me. Personally, I find that a bit aggressive. 
6. Devil's Advocate- willing to lynch TOwn for information. Does that also mean he's scum? 
7. Verbal32- was very interested in responses that he then hasn't posted about. 
8. LedZepMan- after Turin for an actual potentially logical reason, but has now switched vote to Daruya, again, maybe for info?
9. Gentled Ben (m: Nyn) - Neville Longbottom, Town - Killed D1- dead
10. dicetosser1 - Seamus Finnigan, Town - Killed N1- dead
11. Dar'Jen Ab Owain- obviously new, not providing a lot of back up to anyone. 
12. Darthe - Harry Potter, Town - Lynched D1
13. Daruya- it bothers me that we've got no character reveal here, esp. with how interested she has been in game mechanics and wording and such. however, if she is scum, she certainly isn't trying to get us to lynch someone else, as she has not voted. 
14. charis sedai- just trying to keep her head out of the lake. 

 

Daruya - If you end up flipping town, I'll be looking towards LZM as a potential candidate for the next lynch.

 

And by the same token, if you flip maf I'll most likely be voting Turin tomorrow.

 

I don't know for sure whether you're scum or not, but I feel that your lynch should provide enough information to be worth the risk.

your saying you wanna lynch for information?

 

i never like that phrase. Either you think someone is town or not.don't try to lynch townies.

 

I'm not a big fan of that either.

Charis is also starting to look more guilty to me. Verbs post asking for explanations is pretty clear that he was speaking to Turin and Dar. Both Lessa and Charis felt the need to defend themselves when it was obvious that they had not posted after Darthe claimed Harry. I don't buy the "it sure sounds like he wanted to hear from all of us" excuse. Because it didn't. 

*shrug* I don't know what to tell you except that when I read it I thought he was asking all of us. Even upon several rereads of that post at this point, I still think it could be taken either way, which makes me wonder why you're pushing on this so hard. 

 

 

So here are the people who were voting Darthe when he revealed:

 

Lessa

Ben

Charis

Turin

Daruya

Darjen

 

Of those, only Ben, Turin, and Daruya posted before the actual day ended.....which means they had time to unvote and no excuse like the others have of "I wasn't here to see the claim from Darthe".

 

That you guys pushed through a lynch on a Harry Potter claim blows my mind.  Did you really think Harry freakin' Potter would have been a safe fake claim scum had?

 

 

Ben is dead and was town (I can't wait to hear his reason for not unvoting, lol)............but both Turin & Daruya posted before deadline, and did not unvote.

 

 

I want to know why.  Today.

 

 

Popping in and using my phone, so apology for short posts.

 

I voted Darthe as I didn't have a good feel on anyone. I hate to admit I jumped on a bandwagon, but wanted vote to count. I did not see a claim that he was Harry Potter until after deadline.

 

Not very knowledgeable in the world of Harry Potter but feel a little guilt in that he got lynched the first night. But as people are saying, and I am learning, anyone can claim they are town, so not sure how to determine who is actually telling the truth. I guess that's where their actions come into play.

 

 

Charis is also starting to look more guilty to me. Verbs post asking for explanations is pretty clear that he was speaking to Turin and Dar. Both Lessa and Charis felt the need to defend themselves when it was obvious that they had not posted after Darthe claimed Harry. I don't buy the "it sure sounds like he wanted to hear from all of us" excuse. Because it didn't. 

 

So you find me and Charis suspicious for us stating why we didn't change our vote from Darthe but you don't think that about Dar'Jen? Don't want your scum mate to take any heat?

Vote:Rhea

 

 

Well crap. Apparently I missed that post. You are all answering a question that wasn't asked of you. Why would you do that? Verb was pretty obviously asking Dar and Turin. 

 

*shakes head*

 

Are all three of you new mafia players?

 

*sigh*

 

I might as well be. I think I've played three other games tops. Dar'Jen I think has said that this is her first game ever. I can't speak to Lessa's experience. 

oh, also, I'm setting an alarm so I remember to come back and see what's happened before deadline so I can vote. I don't want to swing either way (heh) until people have had time to respond a bit more.

 

Polar bear, polar bear what do you HEAR?

I hear a lion, roaring in my ear.

 

I fixed it for you Charis btw.

 

Thank you, dear. It's probably been 20 years since I've even seen that book lololol

Another day before us. Joy.

 

Wait? The chest had a bomb? Did the bomb do anything? I think I lost something somewhere.

So apparently, LZM's chest had a bomb inside it? But no, as we see now, the Large Gryff chest got blown up when I cleared the rubble. My bad. Good work y'all for fixing it!

So here are the people who were voting Darthe when he revealed:

 

Lessa

Ben

Charis

Turin

Daruya

Darjen

 

Of those, only Ben, Turin, and Daruya posted before the actual day ended.....which means they had time to unvote and no excuse like the others have of "I wasn't here to see the claim from Darthe".

 

That you guys pushed through a lynch on a Harry Potter claim blows my mind.  Did you really think Harry freakin' Potter would have been a safe fake claim scum had?

 

 

Ben is dead and was town (I can't wait to hear his reason for not unvoting, lol)............but both Turin & Daruya posted before deadline, and did not unvote.

 

 

I want to know why.  Today.

Honestly, Verb, I didn't see the reveal until after deadline. I'm just not super active on the site, and that's my bad. I would have reconsidered a vote too, but IIRC his reveal was kind of a  "fine, you're gonna lynch Harry effing Potter today then" thing, which IMO could have been a little hard to credit *shrug*. Like I said, it's just the way my activity fell out at the time. 

[V] ed[/v]

 

His total contribution on D1 was a joke vote on charis and a wasted vote on me. Need more than that from him.

Agreed. 

Lessa: I do think that it is odd that of those who voted for Dar on D1, LZM is alive. I think that the mafia are trying to set her up for the suspicion and that it is someone who didn't have much to say about what was happening to her. I'm going to go back through the thread to confirm my theory.

 

I agreed with this when I decided to quote is (ad then I deleted part of the tag, but it's a Lessa quote, sorry for the confusion)... but I've since stepped back from that, I think

 

I will  [v]Lessa[/v]. She got Harry Potter Darthe killed. It seemed opportunistic to me then and does still. I don’t like that it feels like she’s setting up Dar, another opportunistic play. I feel like she’s being defensive when she wasn’t even called out. 

 

I’m willing to go LZM and could make a case that way too. But right now I want more out of Lessa. 

 

As far as being defensive, I read Verbal's post, above, as calling all of us who voted Darthe out to hear why we didn't unvote. I can see he was mostly interested in Daruya and Turin, but it sure sounds like he wanted to hear from all of us, which is why I also responded to it. 

 

 

Also, notice the emphasis on Dices I'M in that quote?

 

Someone with a quicker wit than I could have caught that as his claim on D1

I really don't know why you are making such a big deal out of Dice's claim. I have a pretty quick wit and I didn't catch it and I have played with Dice on many occasions. Any claim in this game is null to me. Even Darthe's Harry claim because we have no idea who is who in here, we don't know what claims the scum team have and we can't be sure that anyone is telling the truth. I'm pretty sure this has been said before.

A claim is indeed null, until the flip. Then it's evidence. It's a place to start putting bread crumbs together.

 

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I could be going for a home run and strike out on this. It already looks like it's heading that direction. But it's what caught my attention, and as town I'm obligated to follow whatever leads I can.

 

The whole rest of the class may not like it. You all may curse my name for generations to come if I'm wrong. I don't care. I will address what I feel needs addressed, regardless of the popular opinion. To do less is to not play the game.

 

Turin has hard defended Daruya for two game days. Turin is much smarter than I. Nobody hard defends someone without mod confirmation, unless they aren't too bright. Turin is not a dumb man. This leads me to believe they are a team.

 

Again, I could very well be wrong. Won't be the first or the last time that happens, but I'll be a monkeys uncle if I'm not gonna follow my brain and my gut. Regardless of how you all feel

 

This is a VERY VERY compelling argument for me.

So, right now, for me, I agree, its LZM or Turin. 

EVIDENCE against LZM:

-only person left standing who voted for Daruya

-gunning HARD for Turin

Evidence against Turin:

-He seems somehow very confident that Dar is not scum. I would like to know why he seems to think that, as I agree, it seems like maybe he's had a confirmation somehow? Could that have been his treasure? 

Also, someone either cast lumos so we can see if we're supposed to go further from the doors or open the ravenclaw door. I've already used my spell for today just to further stuff for us... so.... we can't all get treasures

Brown bear, brown bear what do you HEAR?

Also: Cast Spell Name Bombardo on that pile of rubble. Blow the bish up!

 

What's our status here? Are we trying to get that chest open? Where is the troll?

 

And who are you people?!

Why did you ask this Verb? You a little confused now that the veritaserum wore off? Not sure who your companions are?

 

[v]Verbal[/v] for now.

 

Idk, that seems like Verby being Verby to me... 

well, y'all... that was... uh... well. Onward.

I have an honest mafia newb question though... I thought this was a game with no PR's? How is it possible that we lost two to stalactites? How could someone have had a revenge kill to start with? I don't get that. 

 

Let's see, also, can I Cast Spell Name: Alohomora on the Hufflepuff chest, the large one, I think?

Invalid, you can still use a spell today.

 

(The small Hufflepuff chest was already opened and there was no reference to a large Hufflepuff chest yet at this time.)

 

DAMN. Ok, cool, Can I instead Cast Spell Name:  Alohomora on the Gryffindor door?

 

myself

 

j/k

 

Prob Dice, as he should know better when talking semantics about squad vs traitor (both prob just mafia).  We know too little, and he, among others, is just 'looking' busy.

 

It seems like the squad vs traitor is what some people are getting on Dar about. From what I've read through its more Dar that is the one causing the question of semantics, though you are pointing to Dice? How do you figure this?

 

As for those who have votes on them already...

 

Semantics doesn't really matter and if we want to find scum I think the best thing to do is look to those who are causing the most confusion. Dar is at the top of that list and I think that is why she has so many votes. 

 

I think Zep made a bad choice and didn't realize it.

 

I don't know why Ed is voting Charis. I must have missed that post. Where is Ed?

 

Lessa's vote on Darthe seems opportunistic to me. Not a real good reason behind it. I had heard a long time ago that the 3rd one a train is a likely mafia, but I don't know if this still hold true. Lessa seems to be defending Dar q

 

Ed's only voting for me so (1) he has a vote in before deadline and (2) because he's a brat. It is known ::) 

As far as the Dar discussion goes, I think whoever said she was excited about the game theme is probably right, honestly. If we care about roles and names (and I can see both sides of that argument) then House WILL matter, but others are right too, the scum will just lie, so it really doesn't matter. 

As for all the confusion about snitches and traitors, my read on it is just that that's how the mods are branding the scum. But again... others are right in saying that our job, as Town, is to find the scum and give them the boot, so let's not overcomplicate, yah?

I'm still not 100% comfortable in this vote, but I don't know that I'll be on before deadline tomorrow, so I'm going to vote: Darthe

I'm saying that because, like Elgee, I'm trying to think what I would do IF I were scum. In my admittedly limited experience, I think my play today would be to hang back and jump on what looks like a train without drawing attention to myself. I realize I'm potentially doing the same thing by jumping on Darthe right after Lessa, but her reasoning makes a LOT of sense to me so too bad. OTOH, I am tempted to say that Ben seems to be going pretty hard for Dar, which I'm not sure is warranted... maybe I just don't play enough mafia, but like, I get threads confused ALL the time, especially in these theme event thingies.

Ok, now everyone is going to jump on me and say I'm defending, blah blah, but those are my thoughts so :P

*eye roll at Ed*

It's Levioooohsa, not LevioSAH...

Hello everyone~ I wasn't expecting such an interesting game format, so I may not end up doing too much on this first day as I'm still getting used to it.

 

Having said that, I'm afraid I have to disagree with the Slytherin hate. We don't know for sure that there aren't any Slytherins on our side. It seems much more plausible to me that there would be an even mix of players from all houses for the sake of fairness.

 

Besides, who says Slytherins have to be evil? Slytherins are about cunning, they pick the option that is most likely to lead to their own success. Surely, then, is it not the fault of society that so many Slytherins find that the easiest path to success is that of evil?

 

Sure, many of the Slytherin pure bloods are heavily prejudiced and treat us poorly - but then what does that make us, if we are equally willing to judge all Slytherins poorly just for the fact that they are Slytherins...? Doesn't that make us just as bad as them?

 

I don't support prejudice from either side. We're all people, and we shouldn't let the colour of anyone's house affect how we treat anyone as a person.

 

TLDR: Hating on Slytherin house is dumb, because then you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing them of doing. Judge by person, not by group.

 

Therefore, I will not be voting for Daruya just because they chose to open the Slytherin door first. Anyone else could have opened another door at any time, since we have enough players to open every door - so the order we open the doors in really doesn't matter.

I think Daruya's point here is that according to canon, there were no Slytherins in the DA. That doesn't mean there can't be some in this game, although I think it would be... unusual, honestly. 

I too, am incredibly rusty at mafia, I played like, 2 games 7 years ago. I'm also not incredibly active and I prefer to read more than post, so... yah, that's that. 

Let's see, also, can I Cast Spell Name: Alohomora on the Hufflepuff chest, the large one, I think? 

I don't see anything here yet to merit a vote, but I'll keep my eyes open!