The Last Battle - AMoL

A Making - Ch 40 ToM

Dumai's Wells

Ok Nerds....

Since we lost March Madness this year (NCAA Basketball Tournament) we will do a Tournament WoT style with Book Chapters!  Submit your favorite Chapters of Any Book.  Epilogues & Prologues are also Eligible!  The Top 32 Chapters will be put into a Bracket and then we will do a Tourney style vote to see which chapter is the Best of WoT!

If you agree w/ someone choice, just Quote them and that way we will not have someone rehashing someone's choice!

Which Banner would you follow to The Last Battle?

Rand

Mat

Perrin

Lan

Egwene

1, I think Cadsuane already knows Rand is alive.

2, I think Rand would NOT reveal to his children he lives because it would taint (pun intended) the Legacy of The Dragon Reborn. Maybe the mom's will when or after they retire?

3, I can see Rand being a "Friend" to Andor & the Aiel as a "wanderer"/maybe even a Warder or a very good friend of the family.  But as far as the world knows, TDR is Dead, and the Dark One is gone!  So why mess w/ it.  

I mean the 3 women he is bonded too know he is still alive.  Nyneave will eventually find out.  I agree that the close circle will learn of it in time, but not right away.

So last night, 2/26 on The Dusty Wheel, The Innkeeper had a segment called Raves/Rants, and yours truly had a Rant that has now gone "viral" w/ a new hashtag...#JusticeforMat

Why?? Because The"SUPER GIRLS" Nyneave, Egwene, & Elayne have NOT Thanked Mat for saving their @$$es 3x over!  Nyneave Maybe said thanks to Mat, but Elayne & ESPECIALLY EGWENE did not do it.  In fact Egwene in all her Hawtyness & Hoititoiness hasn't even thanked ANY of the "Super Boys" for saving her over numerous occasions.  Rand, went into Falme to save her (Yes, I know Nyneave actually removed the collar) but he went to save her!  Mat, saved the girls from Tear,  Perrin saved Egwene in Tel'aranriod, and Egwene had the audacity to try and bind Perrin, saying it was too dangerous for him to be there.  Mat went on to save the girls 2 more times (I cannot remember the others, please someone refresh my memory) but even Aviendha told Elayne that she had Toh towards Mat!  

So I am calling out the Super Chickas for Not giving Mat or any of the "Super Boys" their due respect or gratitude! Hence why someone in the chat of the show came up w/ #JusticeforMat!

1 hour ago, Cheyboygan said:

Setting aside morality or viewers sensibilities, the  three loves were one of the most stupid and annoying plot lines in the books and probably would be in the show.  Its possible that the show could do it better than the books, but they would have to do it ALOT better to be worth including it.  Rand and Elayne basically had a few weeks of teen flirtation in Tear and then hooked up for one night much later....as their entire relationship.  Avi spent a lot of time with him at one point, but most of it was not romantic.  Then when they met after a long absence  they basically ignored each other. Then one more night together before the last battle.  Min was the only one he had anything resembling a normal relationship with.

However this is a different reason than should Rand have 3 lovers argument.  I get that some people wouldn't like the 3 romance plot in the story, and I can respect that.  And maybe the show can do it better.  I just don't think they should junk it, just to junk it because people wouldn't accept it.

1st off...1 Remember in Book 1 when Rand saw all of the different realities? 1 of which was living happily ever after w/ Egwene?  So I think that answers the which one Rand would've chosen thing.

2nd, Why does Rand need to choose 1??!!!  I know that in this "Morally" Inept world we need to have monogamy, but seriously if people in the world today could get away w/ 3 "Love interests" and all 3 were cool w/ it wouldn't they? 

Let the boy have 3 Loves...Peace & Love Man!!

15 hours ago, mistborn82 said:

@Lancer, the thing is that Ice and Fire and WOT are different in that WOT is not as in you face as Ice and Fire about blood, sex and general crudity. I never watched the show, only listened to the first four books but I think WOT will want to appeal to a wider audience, which may mean fiddling with Rand's relationships.

But my point is why Fiddle at all?  If you read GoT, then you know that in the books it wasn't as overt for some of the T&A or LGBTQ stuff that was subtle in the books but BLATANT in the show.  I know that WoT is subtle, and may be more Blatant for a TV audience, and I am saying that you can do the relationships but you do NOT have to change stuff.   Keep it all, distinguish yourself from GoT by having a 3-Way Love interest.   There wasn't any 4-Way action anywhere in there so why do we have to have 1 guy, 1 woman and that is the Main person & then have 2 Great friends?  Part of Rand's growth/turmoil is Because has has 3 Love interests and he doesn't want any of them in danger.

(WOOOO HOOOOO 100 POSTS!!) ?

Due respect to all...I disagree.  I think people can handle a lot if your put it in the right way.  I also find it pretty Hilarious, that people can accept a 14-18 yo Murder Goddess in Arya Stark and do not bat an eye when she PWNED everyone that was on her "List" in the show, yet those same people went Ape$hit when she had Sex for the 1st time (and not even on screen).   

People were also "Cool" w/ Jamie & Cercei having Incest (On & Off Screen) when on GoT, and you didnt hear religious outcry or public outcry over that.  But Heaven forbit Rand have 3 Love interests & want to be w/ them Carnelly & Relationship wise?? GTFOH!! 

This 3some relationship will distinguish the show if they do it well & explain it well.  GoT was criticized for gratuitous sex for the first 2 seasons but people got over it, when the blood & violence took over.  WoT can distinguish itself by keeping the arcs & cultures and nuance that makes the books great w/ the right tweaks in the TV show.

Think of this as sarand wrap. 1 layer is weak, where as 6 is stronger.  The women were never linked, I think this is where the hang up is.

What the previous thread said.  The women guarding/shielding Rand were NOT in a circle.  They were overlapping shield's on him.

Think of it as when they are actively holding the "Shield" they are using a constant flow of Spirit to hold Rand.  When they started to break off & fight the attackers they tied off their Shield and that is what made it a "Hard Point" aka like a Stapler.  That is when LTT used a Staple remover to take out the Shield.

On 2/1/2020 at 2:41 PM, mistborn82 said:

They'll probably have flashbacks until they reveal who the dragon reborn is.

I think Asmodean is the Dragon Reborn...That's my theory anyway ?

50 minutes ago, bmarluke said:

While I agree that the is no modern swear words written in the series, there are multiple points in the books where a character has a large amount of “colorful language that would make your mother blush”. Uno Nomesta being one character that has an extreamly vibrant vocabulary. When these moments are described in the series, I think we all have a pretty good idea of the words used as our imaginations are at work placing our modern vulgar tendencies in his rants. I doubt we are pausing in our reading/listing to come up with new swearwords he could be using. Don’t get me wrong I would love to hear Uno get super creative in his profanity... One of the reasons I love Uno is my tendency to use twisted and creative cursing... However, it is unlikely... Thus... #expectfbombs 

NO...I reject your reality & insert my own ... LOL...I want Mother's Milk in a Cup or Flaming dot dot dot, cuz if you just use modern curse words then it will become ordinary.  While I know this is probably not going to happen because we have to cater to a larger audience, DAMMIT, I want my quirky name calling your "Nerf Herder" :P

I forgot 1 more important thing...PLEASE KEEP THE BAD BLOOD & BLOODY ASHES WORDS, MOTHER"S MILK IN A CUP!!!

On 8/5/2019 at 5:59 PM, Alexantr8 said:

• Nynaeve being downgraded. At the start of the series she is the strongest women channeler anyone has seen in forever and the only ones stronger than her are a couple of the forsaken. She is also extremely talented at healing (better than any Aes Sedai alive). Then, part way through the series, all these other extremely powerful channelers are found (Seanchan, sea folk, kin) and suddenly Nynaeve isn’t that impressively strong anymore. Not only that, but some Aes Sedai take Nynaeve’s healing and improve on it. And another women (from the kin) is discovered to have an even better form of healing. I can understand there being a few women that are stronger than Nynaeve (she’s not in the top rank, so there is bound to be a few stronger), I can live with that. But, to take away her talent for healing as well? Once you do that, what does that make Nynaeve? Just an above average channeler.

Hiya,

Here is my 1 quibble w/ this quote...I understand where you think Nyneave was downgraded, however this is 1 or 2 tiny details you missed w/ Nyneave...

1. Nyneave SOLVED Curing Madness in Men! Nobody had been able to get rid of what was affecting the men who could Channel & Nyneave CURED the Taint affecting Asha'man.

2. NYNEAVE CURED STILLING/GENTLING!  NOBODY thought that this was possible but Nyneave Did It!  Restoring Logain to his former Strength & giving back the ability (albeit in a lower capacity) to Leane & Suian.  Which led me to believe Women can Cure Men of Gentling & Men can Cure Women of Stilling to be back at their former strength.

That is something that NOBODY can take away as Her achievement.

Also Welcome to the Fandom ?

1 hour ago, OMG said:

I've read the initial description and followups how this is a story about Moraine and her companions adventures.  Well, not really.  Moraine is a central character but the Wheel of Time series is not a story about Moraine.  If anything, it's a story about Rand.  What I haven't read is any push back on this initial description.  I for one will be disappointed if the story presented to us truly tries to turn WOT TV into a story about Moraine. 

I think IMHO, they marketed the 1st season as Moiraine's season to 1 sell it to the actor (Rosamund), 2 Amazon (As a Female led girl-power thing), 3 make it different than other fantasy stuff that was out there (GoT).  If you center it on Rand, it would give away the premise of the show, and may not hook new viewers.  This way you can do a "Rope-a-Dope" and bring em in on the Aes Sedai & reel them in w/ the "Super Boys" and open up the world.

Honestly, I can see both sides of the argument.  I do believe it was a cultural circumstance for Tylin/Mat, but I can also see how one could see it as Rape.  And yes Stockholm Syndrome does come into play because the victim (Mat) identifies w/ his captor (Tylin) and sees thing from her POV.  In the movie The World is Not Enough (James Bond) they talk about Stockholm Syndrome as it is a key part for the antagonists POV.  So it is part of this argument.

Also remember that Books 8-10 can be made into 1.5 seasons because of the overlap, and the SLOG!  You can end 1 of those seasons w/ Rand cleansing the Source, and the other w/ Perrin's Trial as a cliffhanger or Tuon getting back to the Seanchan in an Empire Strikes Back moment?

#4 RAFE...HAVE HARRIET NARRATE THE OPENING SCENE JUST LIKE THE GALADRIA DID IN THE OPENING OF LOTR!!

Lord of the Rings started w/ an Elven Voice over, then the Epic Battle of Sauron being defeated.  That set up the whole trilogy.  

Game of Thrones started w/ White Walkers killing fools out of nowhere, setting up an anti-climatic 8 seasons of what the FUBAR these Zombie whatabes were??!! 

Wheel of Time SHOULD start off w/ Lews Therin wandering the halls looking for his beloved & ending w/ him creating Dragonmount.  Then have Harriet narrate the set up to the following scene and end it saying,

The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings or endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning."

Dear Rafe,

1. Do NOT skimp on the Channelling SFX...They need to be Amazing NOT Cheezy!

2. Swordplay needs to be Realistically Epic.  Since these are mainly Katana's the swordplay needs to be quick & nasty.  Funk Nasty not STINKY Nasty

3. Can the Two Rivers Long Bow, be a Composite Great Bow?  aka Recurved Greatbow that is a cross btw an English Longbow & a Recurved Bow?  That way it is nearly impossible to wield w/o training?

4 hours ago, perrinooo said:

How is my post any different from the first one? Quit being a snowflake, so easily offended. Are you perhaps angry because I don't agree with the show's creators?

First off, if you look at the date, it was created BEFORE Padan Fain had been Officially cast.  Now as to tone, yes some people's tone can be misconstrued in a text format, w/you as well sir.  Please read before you post.  No need for name-calling.  

IMHO, I do not mind people's opinion whether they agree or disagree w/ me. I do mind when people name call or do not read rules.  As a teacher it is one of my pet peeves.  So please keep that in mind ? BTW Welcome to the site ?