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batcaver

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  1. Totally agree, though I won't rehash since I've said it all multiple times. I was relistening to the second half of the book today, since my wife has finally made it there and is listening for the first time. Once again, I'm constantly struck by the bitter irony that some of the most pivotal scences in the culmination of the series are also the most lacking in emotional gravity. In a series that pushed the boundaries for character development in fantasy, this final volume came out no deeper than most Saturday morning cartoons I watched as a kid. Some of your favorite characters are dead.
  2. It doesn't appear from the quotes and interviews provided so far that Sanderson was responsible for the decision to kill Egwene. From what I've been able to gather, he left the subject intentionally unclear, and as per the post above there is good evidence that he was not responsible. It's getting really annoying to read constant idle speculation about who wrote what being posted as if it was confirmed. If he's going to be so ambiguous in his comments then obviously it's going to provoke such speculation, but it would help if people didn't try to pass theories and gossip off as truth before
  3. What confused me about this was why it happened at all. Why would the shadow want Tuon dead at that point in the story? The Seanchan were gearing up for a major attack on the Aes Sedai, which could only work to the Shadow's favor. Why would it make sense to do anything to disrupt that happening efficiently and effectively? Why alert them to any other threat when they were focused on harming the forces of the Light? I could never see how this made any sense at all. I suspect it may have just been thrown in thoughtlessly to give Mat a flashy entrance. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
  4. I understand as well. It makes sense that they defer and pay a little homage. I just think it's a recipe for a pyrrhic victory. It provides some nice symbolic cohesion at the cost of immediate and overall cohesion. If Jordan had ended things so abruptly but then fleshed more out in the outriggers later, then that would have made sense to me, provided it was well done. Without the even the outriggers it seems intolerably jarring. It's impossible to tell how much of the fault lies with Sanderson or with Jordan on this particular issue, because I'm not sure whether Jordan, being the supe
  5. Thanks for your reply, but you've got me all wrong. I have no objection to the way Rand's plot ended, other than finding it a little boring and the DO mildly inarticulate ( I thought Rand had already had deeper conversations with Moridin, and the dialogue with the DO was lackluster). My issue is in the writing itself. What I meant when I said I thought the ending contradicted the series was that the rushed and superficial panorama we got for the ending didn't fit with the style of the rest of the series. With a few exceptions, none of which took place in the epilogue, the characters were p
  6. Whoops. The above was me. *also should have said to reread books 6-11. I get them mixed up in numerical order sometimes, but I can't edit my post since I wasn't logged in.
  7. Thanks Sut. BTW, The Warrior-Prophet arrived today! @Aleator77 I thought the same thing initially, myself. However, as time has gone on and I've reflected on the book, it's seemed more and more vexing. Especially watching my wife get excited about scenes for the first time, and reliving my own excitement through her, I'm seeing the book more in the context of the entire series. Her experience will be so different from mine, since she'll never have to wait years between books. She'll never have to endure agonizing cliffhangers or face the teeth grinding irritation of waiting for CO
  8. Anyone who has ever read the phrase 'storm you' :p Man, way to hit the nail on the head. TGS left some hope, but trying to read TWOK was when I knew something was seriously wrong. Never made it past the first third. Yeah, that's a good point. Some flaws were definitely to be expected, but after TGS it seemed safe to hope that with continuing improvement the series would be able to limp to the finish line, not as Jordan would've written it perhaps, but acceptably enough. Back then I'd totally have been against the encyclopedia approach and all for finishing, but now....I th
  9. I don't know that it's really that ridiculous, if it's not taken overly seriously. Sanderson's work felt like exactly that to me; fan fiction.
  10. Let me preface this post by saying that I'm under the impression that Robert Jordan wrote the entirety of the epilogue. If that has been shown to be incorrect, then I'll have to reevaluate, but I'm dealing with the most current information I have. I only say this since things I've been led to understand about who wrote what in the past have turned out to be hearsay or mistaken info. I'm not saying I would view them that way, just that I think it would be a legit stance for someone to take on the series. I really haven't made up my mind about that. I think there will probably be a
  11. Yeah, she's said she plans on reading it regardless of what I say, so I'm now trying to manage my irritation with it so as not to color her opinion preemptively. I guess I wanted more to see where the community was sitting in regards to the series as a whole, now that AMOL has been out for nearly 2 months. I've found that the book worked much better for me straight off the shelf, when I'd not read Jordan's volumes in over a year. Reading them back to back, I find issues emerging that are impossible to ignore, culminating in a final volume that fails by the standards previously set by the se
  12. Little change of pace, if I may... I wanted to start a new topic on this but since we still can't do that, I guess I'll ask here. So I've got my wife reading the series for the first time, and I'm feeling a little torn. Should I tell her not to get her expectations too high for the last 2-3 books. IMO, TGS and even parts to TOM are worthwhile, but I'm seriously considering telling her not to go on to AMOL. Given her predilections, I can confidently say that hundreds of pages of trolloc smashing will bore the hell out of her. On the other hand, the book did have SOME satisfactory momen
  13. I really like that idea. It would have been very fitting, I think. Of course, why not just go ahead and pretend that happened between the books so it won't get in the way of the 800 pages of trolloc slashing we need for the final book...
  14. Yeah, I also thought Lanfear came through well. I was pretty hyped to see here actually being Lanfear again. Aside from the cleansing scene, she really hadn't been her old self since her demise in TFoH. The scene at the end with Perrin was one of the small amount of really in-character, well done moments in the book.
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